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[Emirzad]

Abu Mahdi it's variant of the cruise missile from Soumar\Hoveyzeh family, not Paveh.

Paveh itself is from same family, just modern most variant with advanced guidance and Iranian turbofan. Abu-Mehdi is its AShCM version.

or we can say both are from same family.

 

[Emirzad]

there is also Ya Ali and Qadr 747

offcourse, but Ya-Ali is ALCM for F-4E/D, atleast it started as that.

I have never seen Qadr-474's pic.

 

[Persian Gulf]

offcourse, but Ya-Ali is ALCM for F-4E/D, atleast it started as that.

I have never seen Qadr-474's pic.

can you share air launched Ya Ali picture? I only saw ground launched versions from long time ago. it first appeared in Yemen as "Quds" then many years later as Ya Ali (700km range) in Iran.

they didn't show Qadr 747 but they claimed it is installed on IRGC navy ships and has 2000km range

 

[Emirzad]

1500km range is more than enough

Not if logistics are to be considered. A light and accurate (<10 m2 CEP) MaRV missile with the desired adjustments of apogee/skips can cover 1500-2500 KM domain at fast speeds is better than relying upon 20 tons solid solid-fueled missiles like Sejjil-II.

There is a reason Iran is no longer working on Sejjil-II as a missile, it has become a successful SLV or a potential ICBM though. While Skip-GV/HGV like Fattah-1/2, Kheybar Shikan are constantly being invested in.

don't think so

There were pics of a red GV coming down hot at target. They might be at the last pages of old forum's Iranian missile section.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Not if logistics are to be considered. A light and accurate (<10 m2 CEP) MaRV missile with the desired adjustments of apogee/skips can cover 1500-2500 KM domain at fast speeds is better than relying upon 20 tons solid solid-fueled missiles like Sejjil-II.

There is a reason Iran is no longer working on Sejjil-II as a missile, it has become a successful SLV or a potential ICBM though. While Skip-GV/HGV like Fattah-1/2, Kheybar Shikan are constantly being invested in.

I am saying 1500km range for Fattah with more skips is sufficient

There were pics of a red GV coming down hot at target. They might be at the last pages of old forum's Iranian missile section.

are you sure that wasn't K-4 or F-1? I am fairly sure we never saw any test of F-2.

 

[Emirzad]

can you share air launched Ya Ali picture? I only saw ground launched versions from long time ago. it first appeared in Yemen as "Quds" then many years later as Ya Ali (700km range) in Iran.

There were pics of its poster at some exhibition on which a large red CM with a chequered pattern was being dropped from an F-4E/D. I have looked and looked for that image but could not find it.

We need to be more intelligent with our images, I barely could find upgraded F-4E/D deploying Ghader AShCM.

they didn't show Qadr 747 but they claimed it is installed on IRGC navy ships and has 2000km range

yeah until we see it, we can know what it is.

 

[Emirzad]

I am saying 1500km range for Fattah with more skips is sufficient

I am fine with what you are saying, I am just adding that same missile can hit much longer ranges with skips which seems to be the reason its being taken so much interest in and may morph into long range strike option as well along with HGV carrier at 1500 KM.

are you sure that wasn't K-4 or F-1? I am fairly sure we never saw any test of F-2.

No man, it was a hot red V-shaped RV hitting bullseye. Not Fattah-1.

 

[Persian Gulf]

No man, it was a hot red V-shaped RV hitting bullseye. Not Fattah-1.

must be Khorramshahr or some CGI

 

[Emirzad]

must be Khorramshahr or some CGI

I will try to find it, maybe I am wrong.

 

[Immortals]

do we?

Yes, even the Noor missile is 1.4 Mach in terminal phase. However, when you are sub sonic in flight it allows modern enemy radars to prepare defenses and targeting systems for point interception reducing the effectiveness of the increased terminal speed.

there is also Ya Ali and Qadr 747

I haven’t seen any proof of Ya Ali existing outside of prototype.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Yes, even the Noor missile is 1.4 Mach in terminal phase. However, when you are sub sonic in flight it allows modern enemy radars to prepare defenses and targeting systems for point interception reducing the effectiveness of the increased terminal speed.

where do you get 1.4 mach from? I don't think these are supersonic even in terminal phase

I haven’t seen any proof of Ya Ali existing outside of prototype.

they showed it many times

 

[tsunset]

Yes, even the Noor missile is 1.4 Mach in terminal phase. However, when you are sub sonic in flight it allows modern enemy radars to prepare defenses and targeting systems for point interception reducing the effectiveness of the increased terminal speed.



I haven’t seen any proof of Ya Ali existing outside of prototype.

Ya-Ali is the red CM also (reportedly) used in 2019 oil attack

 

[Immortals]

where do you get 1.4 mach from? I don't think these are supersonic even in terminal phase


they showed it many times

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I am in Iran don’t have access to my sources but even Wikipedia says it. Even old cruise missiles from Iran-Iraq had capability to go supersonic in terminal. I remember reading this over years.

Noor (missile) - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Feel free to fact check me, I could be wrong. But I distinctly remember reading anti ship CMs even if sub sonic have ability to go supersonic in last <100 meters of flight especially those that do a pitch up attack.