Islamabad trees have been cut for housing society

Can't make an omelet without breaking eggs. With 240M citizens, housing and expansion will come at the expense of some ecological/environmental impact.

Pakistan needs to go back to "Do Bacchae He Acchay" program.
Nothing to do with population - other places have done well with population.
8000sq ft mansions are not filled with 30 kids.

Having no regulation for environmental damage will get all of these "let it be" and "optimistic" ideals ripped from the arse in ways no political or terror issues can ever do.
 
No shit. Islamabad population is growing at 5%, what do you think was going to happen as people dont want to live in apartments.
Interestingly enough apartments are cheaper compared to the current 5 marla micro houses on offer. Even a budget 5 marla single story house will set you back between 75 to 90 lakh rupees, a double story 5 marla house in the same area will cost you around 1.6 to 2 (cr) - an apartment for instance for a single married couple minus kids would cost between 37 Lakh and up to 95 Lakh depending on the area.

Obviously this doesn't include the high upmarket apartments and pent houses which are not worth the money - you are better of just buying a house.

I made some small purchase a few years ago, and even now I would say that the housing market in Pakistan is highly inflated and some of the development makes no sense from an environmental protection perspective.

Building near flood hazard zones, industrial plants and fault lines is a recipe for disaster in the longer term. Just look at Model Town Humak on Kahuta road and the complaint of residents develop respitory disorders due to gasses produced by the chemical plant in Humak?

I agree that the problem to housing is needed as population grows - I mean this year Rawalpindi/Islamabad's population exceeded that of LA itself, those people have to live somewhere and there is only so much space inside Islamabad and Rawalpindi.

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It was not banjar land. And the developers in question don't have a spotless track record. See CDA sectors like I-16 and DHA Multan.

Please see the prices of plots in Margalla Enclave and conclude whether this housing society is meant to address the housing shortage. The plots alone cost multiple times the price of an "affordable" middle class house with a median household income.
Places like Margalla Enclave and Gulberg are not for the average buyer. The kind of people buying there are established people or those re-investing for sale. I mean the property market in Pakistan is now just a farce at this point.
 
Interestingly enough apartments are cheaper compared to the current 5 marla micro houses on offer. Even a budget 5 marla single story house will set you back between 75 to 90 lakh rupees, a double story 5 marla house in the same area will cost you around 1.6 to 2 (cr) - an apartment for instance for a single married couple minus kids would cost between 37 Lakh and up to 95 Lakh depending on the area.

Obviously this doesn't include the high upmarket apartments and pent houses which are not worth the money - you are better of just buying a house.

I made some small purchase a few years ago, and even now I would say that the housing market in Pakistan is highly inflated and some of the development makes no sense from an environmental protection perspective.

Building near flood hazard zones, industrial plants and fault lines is a recipe for disaster in the longer term. Just look at Model Town Humak on Kahuta road and the complaint of residents develop respitory disorders due to gasses produced by the chemical plant in Humak?

I agree that the problem to housing is needed as population grows - I mean this year Rawalpindi/Islamabad's population exceeded that of LA itself, those people have to live somewhere and there is only so much space inside Islamabad and Rawalpindi.

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Now solar panels booms and expensive unreliable grid make apartments even less desirable.
 
The title of this thread is funny. "Islamabad trees have been cut for housing society". :giggle:

The entire Karachi has been denuded, re-greened, denuded etc. countless times for commercial and residential needs. Come to think of it, how is this even news in Pakistan?
 
Places like Margalla Enclave and Gulberg are not for the average buyer. The kind of people buying there are established people or those re-investing for sale. I mean the property market in Pakistan is now just a farce at this point.
Which is why it needs to be taxed "appropriately" to bring some sanity to it. That will push all these investors sitting on the properties and driving up prices through speculation to abort their investments, leading to a crash but also a course correction in the value of property/housing.
 
The title of this thread is funny. "Islamabad trees have been cut for housing society". :giggle:

The entire Karachi has been denuded, re-greened, denuded etc. countless times for commercial and residential needs. Come to think of it, how is this even news in Pakistan?
Its because the bulk of biodiversity inside ICT and Rawalpindi district which is demarked as extension of ICT by CDA is at risk. Karachi on the other hand has seen mass urbanization long before partition and post partition most of the green belts and wooded areas were dug up and replaced with asphalt and concrete.

Karachi's nature reserves mainly rest outside the metropolitan city limits, places such as Hilji lake, Khitar Nature reserve - with the exception being the Mangrove Reservation (which is already at risk)

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Unlike Karachi, Islamabad and Rawalpindi District still has large unpopulated forested areas which are habits for many species of flora, fauna, reptiles and insects. And whilst Karachi is vulnerable to flood table and seismic hazards, the situation on the Rawat side is far more treacherous especially during monsoons.

Development is great, it is necessary but so is protection of the environment - we share this land with other creatures who we need to respect and protect. Leopards once common in Simli are now protected species. Black bears once common in Margalla Hills now are a rare sight.
 
Which is why it needs to be taxed "appropriately" to bring some sanity to it. That will push all these investors sitting on the properties and driving up prices through speculation to abort their investments, leading to a crash but also a course correction in the value of property/housing.
Taxation is something I agree with. There are two investment portfolios in Pakistan traditionally, gold and land - we need to work on reforms, also one wonders these ghost town developments - which have 80% properties sold - why to incentivize subsidized rent projects?
 
Taxation is something I agree with. There are two investment portfolios in Pakistan traditionally, gold and land - we need to work on reforms, also one wonders these ghost town developments - which have 80% properties sold - why to incentivize subsidized rent projects?
Yes, like every other mafia that exists in Pakistan, there is a rental mafia too.
:)

It reminds me of the lobbying that is done in the US by special interests of all sorts. Pakistan is similar. All these special interests/mafias have entrenched projects which they hold on to with influence and tentacles everywhere.
 
Karachi on the other hand has seen mass urbanization long before partition and post partition most of the green belts and wooded areas were dug up and replaced with asphalt and concrete.
I am not quite sure about this. Older residents of Karachi seem to remember much more greenery (they used the word 'jungle') in North Nazimabad, for example.
 
I am not quite sure about this. Older residents of Karachi seem to remember much more greenery (they used the word 'jungle') in North Nazimabad, for example.
The operative word there being "Older"... If you relive history - you are bound to make the same mistakes.
 
The title of this thread is funny. "Islamabad trees have been cut for housing society". :giggle:

The entire Karachi has been denuded, re-greened, denuded etc. countless times for commercial and residential needs. Come to think of it, how is this even news in Pakistan?
Cause DHA "A" team of Zardari and forty thousand thieves of PPP have been put in charge of this sordid city for the past two decades for the specific task of doing just that..
 
Might wanna say something about KPK govt which is doing it on much bigger level. Highest deforestation rate in south asia.
Irrelevant to the point I raised in my post about lack of level playing field for DHA vs Civilian real estate developers.
 
That is different, as it is just a stray building in a village. The people thought they would live back in their village with their families and friends, but the situation changed. Families and friends gone, the children won't come back, etc. Similarly, water, power and health facilities don't suit their old age now.

The bottom line is cutting tree is wrong. If it is a lie, then the government just prove that with satellite imagery, etc. Otherwise, all are reporting in the media that 50k trees have been cut.
My point was that dont blame DHA only. It started with bharia enclave and other than the main highway, land which was owned by CDA, they are currently constructing for DHA which serves a hell of lot of people and makes the commute shorter for thousands of people they have only damaged land that people have sold. Not government owned land. On the other hand bharia enclave bought and destroyed a jungle owned by the governement. I am the last person who likes housing societies and what they have done to this this city, I was born here and lived here my whole life, almost 40yrs, and have personally seen the change take place. It makes me sick to the stomach, but that's development for you. Obviously it should be done in a correct manner and rules and environment should be followed but this being Pakistan, who gives a shit. They say they are planting trees so we will have to believe them.
 
Irrelevant to the point I raised in my post about lack of level playing field for DHA vs Civilian real estate developers.
Not really when you are quick to point one wrong of your adversary but deliberately choose not to see anything wrong with your own party.
 

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