J-31 to be inducted soon| Pilot training reportedly in progress

[Alter_Ego]

Interesting comparison … J-31(?) top vs J-35 bottom

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I wonder why Chinese designers kep the belly flat and not like F-35 underside:

 

[r3alist]

That’s surely likely and no-one denies that but it simply won’t fit to the 2025 and other claims.




And you think the PLA needs Pakistan‘s help for this?

I think logically and generically it's nice to have honest useful feedback from a trusted partner on high profile project

So if that's what they want then I suppose paf is their best partner, a very credible air force, experienced with western planes from decades

I am sure NATO countries have worked in the same spirit where permissable

 

[Deino]

I think logically and generically it's nice to have honest useful feedback from a trusted partner on high profile project

So if that's what they want then I suppose paf is their best partner, a very credible air force, experienced with western planes from decades

I am sure NATO countries have worked in the same spirit where permissable

Yes, but did the US grant Israel or the UK early access to F-22 or F-35 fighters even before the USAF/USN got their own ones only to "have honest useful feedback from a trusted partner"!

 

[Ali_Baba]

China does not need any feedback of any type from the PAF - there is nothing PAF knows that China does not know or knows better by now, given they have been operating the J20 for a number of years and have developed a wealth of stealth tactics and ACTUAL OPERATIONAL experience and knowledge.

What is this magical experience that people think that China needs from PAF ???

 

[r3alist]

Yes, but did the US grant Israel or the UK early access to F-22 or F-35 fighters even before the USAF/USN got their own ones only to "have honest useful feedback from a trusted partner"!

Who can confirm or deny

But I don't think it's a necessary condition for the planes to be operational internally before external parties can have some exposure

Surely you would want it that way before rolling out widely

 

[r3alist]

China does not need any feedback of any type from the PAF - there is nothing PAF knows that China does not know or knows better by now, given they have been operating the J20 for a number of years and have developed a wealth of stealth tactics and ACTUAL OPERATIONAL experience and knowledge.

What is this magical experience that people think that China needs from PAF ???

Where have china been combat operational with these planes ? Don't think they have

I think people misinterpret intentionally any paf feedback

It's just that, feedback, which could credibly be helpful, that's it
not really worth dwelling on

It's not as if Pakistan set up the enormous technology and industry needed to even produce this

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Hi,

Regardless of the variant---we are getting them---we will be the first ones---.

China is desperately waiting for us to fly them---assess them and share with them info that they cannot get otherwise---.

Haters will hate---but it is not going to stop us.

China is developing J35 for its navy, PLAAF is still uninterested in buying J31

 

[FuturePAF]

Interesting comparison … J-31(?) top vs J-35 bottom

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If the WS-19 reaches a maturity level such that it achieves a max thrust of at least 115 kn, based on open specifications, TWR should be equal to that of the F-22, are these designs likely to change? For example, perhaps the introduction of 2D thrust vectoring for enhanced agility and decreased aft IR signature, leading to smaller vertical stabilizers (tails) and therefore lower RCS?

Have we seen any of those kinds of modifications on the latest J-20s equipped with the WS-15? I know the J-20 doesn’t have 2D thrust vectoring, but any indication that is being considered?

 

[MastanKhan]

Where have china been combat operational with these planes ? Don't think they have

I think people misinterpret intentionally any paf feedback

It's just that, feedback, which could credibly be helpful, that's it
not really worth dwelling on

It's not as if Pakistan set up the enormous technology and industry needed to even produce this

Hi,

Really---. A military general would gives his soldier's left and right foot to get a 'feedback' on the enemy tactics & capabilities---.

 

[MastanKhan]

That’s surely likely and no-one denies that but it simply won’t fit to the 2025 and other claims.

And you think the PLA needs Pakistan‘s help for this?

Hi,

That is the JOKE of the month---.

Chinese military that has NO COMBAT EXPERIENCE would not need any input from a nation that has been in combat for decades---.



So you are npow a comedian as well---. What gereat military analytical capabilitities you show---.

 

[r3alist]

That is the JOKE of the month---.

Chinese military that has NO COMBAT EXPERIENCE would not need any input from a nation that has been in combat for decades--

Yea, it is what it is, pa do have military and combat experience...and more insight into nato

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Hi,

@Deino

Do we have the combat experience against USAF/USN/Japan and South Korea? Stop your nonsense egoistic troll

 

[Deino]

Hi,

@Deino

Why tagging me again after already quoting me in the first post? You cannot wait for a reply to your stupid insult or just the typical trolling you complained recently in the chat with the mods?

But yes for sure, … the whole PLAAF is a joke, apparently a paper tiger and the J-20 worthless since no J-11, no J-16 and even more so no J-20 unit has any combat experience at all and since in all three cases the PAF was not involved teaching the poor & stupid inexperienced PLAAF pilots on how to flight and fight, the Indian AC is right! The PLAAF is doomed, useless …

As such only since the PAF got its 20 J-10C and since the PAF is teaching the PLAAF on how to use them correctly, at least a few J-10 units are becoming combat experienced and in order not to repeat the same mistake, they are so eager to let the PAF fly their latest stealth fighter in order to teach them on how to operate them. Indeed, how could I be so blind?!

Man … get mature and stop with this hubris, BS, nonsense and utter crap.
The PLAAF knows quite well how to use their fighters and surely they are eager on any input from the PAF due to their experience, but to think they are eager to let them fly a fighter before they get their own ones due to the inexperience in war-fighting is so much nonsense its almost even funny!

 

[lightning f57]

Looking forward to new pictures, November is also around the corner now!

 

[Ali_Baba]

Looking forward to new pictures, November is also around the corner now!

Yep - Zhuhai 2024. Hopefully we get to know more about the new attack helicopter aswell as the J-31/35 series.