Manufacturing Superpower China Imports $362 Billion in Chips in Just 7 Months

That is certain. Mainland China is currently constrained by the US-led restrictions and containment on multiple fronts. Without these constraints, SMIC would have begun competing with TSMC long ago and might have surpassed it by now.

Many people here failed to see that the US basically has used all available tools to take down China's manufacturing empire, but they have still failed to do so.

They even think about to sneak attack China's data center.

There is no country on Earth can withstand such onslaught from the US in all fronts, and make them feel desperate in the meantime.
 
Many people here failed to see that the US basically has used all available tools to take down China's manufacturing empire, but they have still failed to do so.

They even think about to sneak attack China's data center.

There is no country on Earth can withstand such onslaught from the US in all fronts, and make them feel desperate in the meantime.
They deliberately ignore the fact that mainland China has been constrained by “US-led efforts to contain mainland China” for decades, and compare mainland China with the strengths of different countries one by one in order to belittle mainland China's achievements.

Mainland China has been forced to compete with the entire world, yet it has performed quite well.

But facts speak louder than sophistry and smears. The Western world, led by the United States, is in decline, while China is developing rapidly.
 
They deliberately ignore the fact that mainland China has been constrained by “US-led efforts to contain mainland China” for decades, and compare mainland China with the strengths of different countries one by one in order to belittle mainland China's achievements.

Mainland China has been forced to compete with the entire world, yet it has performed quite well.

But facts speak louder than sophistry and smears. The Western world, led by the United States, is in decline, while China is developing rapidly.

Only two puzzles left which are the EUV and intercontinental jetliner.

If it wasn't Deng's mistake, China would have already caught up with the west in those two fields.
 
Only two puzzles left which are the EUV and intercontinental jetliner.

If it wasn't Deng's mistake, China would have already caught up with the west in those two fields.

Mainland China is already performing very well at this point.
Perhaps leaving some room for other countries to shine would mean far fewer people would be jealous of China than there are now... :ROFLMAO:
 
Mainland China is already performing very well at this point.
Perhaps leaving some room for other countries to shine would mean far fewer people would be jealous of China than there are now... :ROFLMAO:

Since China has no true ally, so China needs to virtually control everything.

China perhaps needs to build itself into a Type 1 civilization by the solo mode.
 
Mainland China is already performing very well at this point.
Perhaps leaving some room for other countries to shine would mean far fewer people would be jealous of China than there are now... :ROFLMAO:
China is still a developing country, it's not a high income nation yet, the country and its people are no longer poor but not rich either. China doesn't eat other countries' lunches as Trump like to say, it is just focusing on improving the lot of its people, nothing is wrong with that. To those countries that are jealousy, that's their problem. The Europeans and many Americans don't work that much, they sip wine and beer at restaurants and bars all the time, they don't deserve that high standards of living.
 
China is still a developing country, it's not a high income nation yet, the country and its people are no longer poor but not rich either. China doesn't eat other countries' lunches as Trump like to say, it is just focusing on improving the lot of its people, nothing is wrong with that. To those countries that are jealousy, that's their problem. The Europeans and many Americans don't work that much, they sip wine and beer at restaurants and bars all the time, they don't deserve that high standards of living.

Their development model is unstainable, and China is working on a sustainable model for the long term.

And the old buzzwords like developed/developing countries is really outdated.
 
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Since China has no true ally, so China needs to virtually control everything.

China perhaps needs to build itself into a Type 1 civilization by the solo mode.

True strength means not having to rely on allies to maintain your own security.

True wisdom means knowing when to keep an appropriate distance and not allowing yourself to be easily dragged into external disputes.

China should focus on its own affairs and provide timely support to friendly countries within its capabilities. That is enough.
 
China is still a developing country, it's not a high income nation yet, the country and its people are no longer poor but not rich either. China doesn't eat other countries' lunches as Trump like to say, it is just focusing on improving the lot of its people, nothing is wrong with that. To those countries that are jealousy, that's their problem. The Europeans and many Americans don't work that much, they sip wine and beer at restaurants and bars all the time, they don't deserve that high standards of living.
Indeed, China still has much room for improvement in many areas, just as all other countries have their own challenges.

China has no intention of interfering in other countries' affairs. Yet other countries always seem eager to point fingers at China.

The Western world cannot solve its own problems, so it shifts the focus onto others, while dressing it up as "civilization."
 
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Does comparing the semiconductor development of different countries bother you? Why does it make you think of racism? How interesting.

After all, there is hardly any discussion of Spain's semiconductor industry on this forum.
In fact, Spain is rarely discussed in the world either.
So I suppose, as a Spaniard, you must be eager for a chance to show the world Spain's impressive development in the semiconductor industry.

What a shame. After seeing you make so many criticisms, I thought you would have some impressive achievements from Spain to show us, but unfortunately, the result was disappointing.

I hope you won't be discouraged. Spain will catch up with China someday, or perhaps start by having the confidence that India has.
you quoted me putting text in chinese in a picture, to avoid translation machine I guess 😂, dont you know what is ocr? anyway, what you did it fits exactly in the meaning of racist troll.

you're projecting on me, I dont think Spain, USA or China is superior to anyone. I was just asking.

Spain government announced years ago big investments for manufacture semiconductors for cars.
Here it doesnt exist electronic o semiconductors industry, but cars industry exists and it's a big part of GDP, although is in hands of foreign owned companies.
 
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you quoted me putting text in chinese in a picture, to avoid translation machine I guess 😂, dont you know what is ocr? anyway, what you did it fits exactly in the meaning of racist troll.

you're projecting on me, I dont think Spain, USA or China is superior to anyone. I was just asking.

Spain government announced years ago big investments for manufacture semiconductors for cars.
Here it doesnt exist electronic o semiconductors industry, but cars industry exists and it's a big part of GDP, although is in hands of foreign owned companies.

The car industry relies on the legacy chips, and it is also crucial by its sheer volume compared to the cutting edge chips.
 
bur even if China build those machines, they haven't companies with designs of cutting edge chips.

all those chips imported are from nvidia, intel, arm (fabless brand)

china hasn't equivalent companies yet.

what company is the Chinese equivalent of intel/arm/nvidia?

I dont say it's impossible but they are starting the way when usa/uk has decades of knowledge doing it.

I saw a Chinese company who build own mips64 chips, modified by them, capable of emulate amd64 and run windows in own chips, but it was a tiny company (hundreds employees), and more expensive and slower chips than amd/intel equivalents.

calm down your racism
this is a thread about china
learn to argue without show your ridiculous racism, troll

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you quoted me putting text in chinese in a picture, to avoid translation machine I guess 😂, dont you know what is ocr? anyway, what you did it fits exactly in the meaning of racist troll.

you're projecting on me, I dont think Spain, USA or China is superior to anyone. I was just asking.

Spain government announced years ago big investments for manufacture semiconductors for cars.
Here it doesnt exist electronic o semiconductors industry, but cars industry exists and it's a big part of GDP, although is in hands of foreign owned companies.


You first compared China's semiconductor industry with those of other countries, and you did it more than once.
Yet you accuse me of being racist for comparing the semiconductor industries of Spain, China, and Taiwan.
Your logic is quite funny. :sneaky:

In Chinese, there is a saying: “指著自己鼻子罵別人.” Literally, it means “your finger is pointing at your own nose while you are blaming someone else.”
So you are actually not blaming someone else. You are blaming yourself.

Since Spain is behind other countries in the semiconductor industry, perhaps you should focus on your own country first.
China doesn't need your advice.

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I personally have a very good impression of Spain, because its current Prime Minister, Sánchez, has the courage to criticize the hypocrisy of the United States and Israel, and has adopted an active, pragmatic, and friendly diplomatic approach toward China.

Don't worry. I won't change my view of Spain because of the stain left by an individual.
 
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what company is the Chinese equivalent of intel/arm/nvidia?

I dont say it's impossible but they are starting the way when usa/uk has decades of knowledge doing it.

I saw a Chinese company who build own mips64 chips, modified by them, capable of emulate amd64 and run windows in own chips, but it was a tiny company (hundreds employees), and more expensive and slower chips than amd/intel equivalents.
Developing a computer and information industry with genuine autonomy presents significant challenges regarding both hardware and software. However, the greatest difficulty lies not in the technical aspects of hardware or software, but in the industrial ecosystem.

Let’s consider an example.
The vast majority of us have become accustomed to the "x86 + Windows" ecosystem; it is deeply integrated into our lives and work—inseparable from them. If you were asked to learn and adapt to a new ecosystem now, you would almost certainly be furious, voicing endless complaints and criticisms.
The same applies to companies operating within this ecosystem.
Most countries around the world lack the incentive or need to pursue this path, and consequently, they rarely encounter these issues.

For instance, having fully adapted to the GMS ecosystem, you find it difficult to accept anything new, often subjecting new alternatives to relentless scrutiny and criticism. This discourages other companies from developing applications for new ecosystems. Such behavior makes it even harder for new ecosystems to survive, thereby creating a vicious cycle.
The ecosystem combining Huawei’s Kirin chips and HarmonyOS serves as a prime example. Even within China, some app developers are reluctant to adapt their applications for this brand-new ecosystem.

Purely from a technical standpoint regarding software and hardware, China began this journey over two decades ago. The National University of Defense Technology and major Chinese state-owned enterprises initiated the development of a homegrown operating system—Kylin OS—at an early stage; it was built upon China's own proprietary hardware architecture.

Over the years, this system has served—and undergone continuous iteration for—state-affiliated entities such as the PLA, the Chinese government, and various research and large-scale institutions. Although China National Software & Service Company (CS&S) later released a consumer version of Kylin OS, it saw virtually no adoption among the general public. The root cause lies in the ecosystem: the scarcity of users in the consumer market resulted in negligible commercial value. Consequently, app developers failed to come on board, further dampening consumer willingness to use the system. A lack of users meant no revenue inflow for the developers; without funds, there was no incentive for continued investment in development. This represents a classic vicious cycle.

What Huawei is doing now is leveraging its massive market influence and ecosystem to accomplish this. This is also the core reason why Huawei enjoys strong support from both the Chinese government and the domestic market.

This kind of pain is almost completely incomprehensible to people in other countries. That is why I fully understand the perspective held by others—whether in Spain, India, Pakistan, or Turkey—that it is difficult for you to grasp this issue.

Only a small number of Germans, Japanese, and French people are capable of understanding it, because they have experienced the consequences of colliding with such a powerful ecosystem—and failing.
 

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