Martin-Baker: A Pakistan Air Force JF-17 Block 2 aircraft, On Wednesday 5th June crashed near the Jhang district. The pilot successfully ejected.

[CombatCorner]

In reality, JF-17 production has stopped since 2022. They haven't had new jets produced; 170 is the number going on since 2020. The last news of the JF-17, apart from crashes and taking part in airshows, etc., was in 2023 for its induction (Block 3). Pakistan ordered the J-10C and is waiting for the FC-31. Only 12 Block-3s have been made so far. Azerbaijan has not ordered those 24 jets. The initial order was of 30 by PAF. Not even a single Block 2A or Block 2B has been made after 2022. I doubt they can make 24 jets per year. Pakistan hailed the JF-17 as a permanent solution but ordered the J-10. The last JF-17 Block 2A delivered was in 2019, and Block 2B in 2020. 12 JF-17 Block 3s were produced from 2022 to early 2023, indicating a production gap. JF-17 Block 1 has limited capabilities in all domains; Block 2B is mostly a trainer, so 100 proper fighter aircraft are in service. Pakistan has 20 J-10Cs and 75 F-16s; all Mirages are from the 1960s and 1970s. Pakistan has not more than 200 proper fighter jets in service. Out of 75 F-16s, only 57 are BVR capable, while JF-17s are not truly multirole aircraft. Only 30-40 Mirage 3 and 5s can carry standoff munitions but will require heavy escort like they did in 2019 with two squadrons worth of escort for a single target that they missed. The PAF is still a sitting duck. EW aircraft in Pakistan are used as VIP transport for the Pakistani air chief. Block 2 and older F-16s would be at the mercy of jammers.

Hey loser, where were you when your mighty SU-30 crashed last week. Hiding under a stone hoping news would just not get published.
You can jerk off to amuse your little heart since you are only capable of looking and kissing your ass.
You should just stick to opening your low quality threads for a loser like you is incompetent to understand that at this very moment PAF JF-17C are busy mixing it with USAF Vipers in a joint exercise.

 

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[Awwad]

In reality, JF-17 production has stopped since 2022. They haven't had new jets produced; 170 is the number going on since 2020. The last news of the JF-17, apart from crashes and taking part in airshows, etc., was in 2023 for its induction (Block 3). Pakistan ordered the J-10C and is waiting for the FC-31. Only 12 Block-3s have been made so far. Azerbaijan has not ordered those 24 jets. The initial order was of 30 by PAF. Not even a single Block 2A or Block 2B has been made after 2022. I doubt they can make 24 jets per year. Pakistan hailed the JF-17 as a permanent solution but ordered the J-10. The last JF-17 Block 2A delivered was in 2019, and Block 2B in 2020. 12 JF-17 Block 3s were produced from 2022 to early 2023, indicating a production gap. JF-17 Block 1 has limited capabilities in all domains; Block 2B is mostly a trainer, so 100 proper fighter aircraft are in service. Pakistan has 20 J-10Cs and 75 F-16s; all Mirages are from the 1960s and 1970s. Pakistan has not more than 200 proper fighter jets in service. Out of 75 F-16s, only 57 are BVR capable, while JF-17s are not truly multirole aircraft. Only 30-40 Mirage 3 and 5s can carry standoff munitions but will require heavy escort like they did in 2019 with two squadrons worth of escort for a single target that they missed. The PAF is still a sitting duck. EW aircraft in Pakistan are used as VIP transport for the Pakistani air chief. Block 2 and older F-16s would be at the mercy of jammers.

I think PAF requirement was to have 150 - 200 JF-17s. They got there pretty much.

You cannot have more aircrafts then your requirements. You need to balance your airforce with right mix of light-weight and medium weight aircrafts. You cannot fill your entire airforce with light weight aircrafts. Pakistan will surely make more JF-17 block III or IVs or PFX whatever it is to make up for attrition losses .

 

[MirageBlue]

Just wondering if IAF makes a formal announcement of their plane crashes? If yest, any links to the actual IAF official channel/press release?

Yes they always do. But before they do, our hyper media does it without fail.

 

[CombatCorner]

Meanwhile after getting hammered by PAF on 27.2. 19 causing such panic in Indian ranks that their ground defences couldn't distinguish between a fast jet and a slow moving helicopter and ended up shooting it down.
When all else failed the Indians tried their luck by sending a strike aircraft in the shadow of their spice jet airliner which duly was intercepted after which Pakistan closed its airspace.
The day PAF releases the intercepted Mayday call by the SU-30 pilot when the second turbine exploded, all gangus lurking here will disappear like they did after 27.2. 19.

 

[MirageBlue]

Yaar you shot down your own helicopter killing six in panic

You tried something stupid,
Pakistan hit you back and shot down your jet

Before things escalated, the world got involved, pow was returned , life goes on

You lost

End of story until the next conflict, what's this mental behaviour that Indians are showing

Your PAF pilot once managed worse. PAF is the only Air Force to have had air to air fratricide kill of a F-16, the only one in it's history.

In the fog of war, mistakes happen. The best air forces have had friendly fire incidents in their histories.

This behaviour that shooting down 1 MiG-21 Bison pilot somehow shows that the PAF can take on the IAF in a longer war and not a skirmish reveals a mindset that is more than willing to leave aside realities and live in a la la land.

The world didn't get involved, it was your PM desperately trying to call our PM to call a truce.

QJ Bajwa knew EXACTLY what the status of your armed forces was to be able to take on the Indian armed forces in a real conflict. Tanks that don't work, etc. etc. Ergo, the pair thar thar kaapna aur maathe pe paseena aana.

 

[Dalit]

PAF JF-17 Fighter Jet Crash Speculated Amid Viral Videos: Silence from Pakistani Authorities

I doubt the PAF is trying to hide anything, this is just low IQ Indian hypernationalist talk. Dawn news usually reports very clearly on any crash.

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[GatlingGun]

Glad it made it back after flameout.
The last one did not make it - and as the Tejas starts coming close to the flight hours the Jf-17s manage monthly it too will see inevitable man/machine failures. Either keep it in the hangar or expect things to go wrong…

Wasn't flameout .
It was flying 2000km far from it's base located in Bengaluru. Pilot probably went overboard with Afterburner. Not the issue with machine.

It ran out of petrol whole flying in peace time according to news
Even bus drivers have more sense of fuel
This is pretty much unique one and only incidence in history or it's a cover story

Sure sure. At least tell DG -propaganda Relation to reverse search image.

This is epic cover-up:



Actually the thing is both countries cannot justify the cover ups by saying that you do that too. Two wrongs cannot make a right. The best thing is to declare it as soon as it happens. Now we are hearing another Tejas is crashed :



I will wait for more evidence to believe on it, such as Martin baker confirming it couple of days later. I think military of both Pakistan and India need to work on their transparency. However, if Pakistani military hides anything, we cannot justify it by saying india does it too. You should only have to influence from good things and good attributes of others. Your benchmark should be higher. Transparency gives trust to the nation. That's important.

Pakistanis still believe their DG-PR is like Stockholm syndome.

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DG-propaganda relation of Pakistan spreading fake news for covering their own incompetent.

 

[hussain0216]

Your PAF pilot once managed worse. PAF is the only Air Force to have had air to air fratricide kill of a F-16, the only one in it's history.

In the fog of war, mistakes happen. The best air forces have had friendly fire incidents in their histories.

This behaviour that shooting down 1 MiG-21 Bison pilot somehow shows that the PAF can take on the IAF in a longer war and not a skirmish reveals a mindset that is more than willing to leave aside realities and live in a la la land.

The world didn't get involved, it was your PM desperately trying to call our PM to call a truce.

QJ Bajwa knew EXACTLY what the status of your armed forces was to be able to take on the Indian armed forces in a real conflict. Tanks that don't work, etc. etc. Ergo, the pair thar thar kaapna aur maathe pe paseena aana.

You had a chance to show anything you wanted,, and all India did was humiliated itself against Pakistan

The same with against china in 2020, you had a chance to show whatever you wanted and you got beaten and humiliated and lost territory

After that, shit that comes out of your mouth is pointless bravado

 

[Jayetsena]

Whatever

Abhinandan still didn't shoot down any F16. Period

And topic is jf not f**.. Nice diversion tactic...

 

[Jayetsena]

Yaar you shot down your own helicopter killing six in panic

You tried something stupid,
Pakistan hit you back and shot down your jet

Before things escalated, the world got involved, pow was returned , life goes on

You lost

End of story until the next conflict, what's this mental behaviour that Indians are showing

You are a Elite member, either you talk about topic else keep quite. Don't try to bring IAF topic to derail.

On topic, PAF should have come clean to instill confidence in customers. Now PAF's credibility is hit after the revealation by MB.

 

[Jayetsena]

ISPR is full of lies but my God, Indians are the master of lying.

Pakistan's history is full of lies, do you want us to quote??
Can you pls discuss the topic??

 

[Cipher212]

You are a Elite member, either you talk about topic else keep quite. Don't try to bring IAF topic to derail.

On topic, PAF should have come clean to instill confidence in customers. Now PAF's credibility is hit after the revealation by MB.

Just a question for you to ponder. Do you think Martin Baker found out about the recent Mirage and this JF crash from twitter, or from the source itself?

What PAF is doing is simply not announcing the crash. This is not the same as denying that it happened at all. ISPR or PAF DGPR simply don't make announcements nowadays of any type.

But despite PAF 'not coming clean' everyone somehow already knows what type of aircraft have crashed, where they crashed, on which day they crashed, whether or not the pilot survived.

 

[That_Guy]

Luckily for ISPR and you that F16 doesnt use MB seats but American one.
So ISPR syndicate wont let you "civilians" know the reality. Period.

There would be proof, there is no proof.

Hard to hide something like this.

 

[Oscar]

Wasn't flameout .
It was flying 2000km far from it's base located in Bengaluru. Pilot probably went overboard with Afterburner. Not the issue with machine.

Sure sure. At least tell DG -propaganda Relation to reverse search image.



Pakistanis still believe their DG-PR is like Stockholm syndome.

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Bangladeshi Pilot Attempts 'Top Gun'-Like Stunt, Dies After Jet Crashes Seconds Later

Squadron Leader Asim Jawad and his co-pilot, Wing Commander Sohan Hasan Khan, both ejected from the jet but Jawad succumbed to his injuries.

www.ibtimes.sg

DG-propaganda relation of Pakistan spreading fake news for covering their own incompetent.

Went overboard or rather a pretty inept and poorly monitored individual who doesn’t know when to look at the fuel gauge.