PA Options against Indian Armour - ATGMs on MANPADS & Attack Gunship Helicopter - News & Discussions

[Abdul q]

Drones are now susceptible to jamming..in ukriane its all fiberoptic now

Yet shahed reached deep inside pizzreal and recently kiyv with supposedly world’s best airdefense protection…?

 

[Path-Finder]

doesnt address the barrel metallurgy question. talks about the system as a whole, nothing about the quality of the barrel other than it being shorter in length.

The metallurgy wouldn't be up to the standard of SH15. because the ones we have in stock are ancient. I am sure members here can add more to this. SH15 are newer guns and without doubt the metallurgy used in the barrel would be made using better techniques.

 

[Path-Finder]

Yet shahed reached deep inside pizzreal and recently kiyv with supposedly world’s best airdefense protection…?

that was a saturation attack. a huge volley of drones were launched. the ones that made it because the systems to intercept has become redundant taking down other drones.

 

[ziaulislam]

Yet shahed reached deep inside pizzreal and recently kiyv with supposedly world’s best airdefense protection…?

Most were shot down
If it was so good we would have seen them on Israel

Let see how many breach Israeli defense..answer will be zero

 

[fitpOsitive]

Pakistan should start arming it's citizens now. Specially with guns having range of 2 to 3 kilometers. Our citizens will take care of all the drones attacking military bases. That will be fun to shoot drones.

 

[Bilal]

Specially with guns having range of 2 to 3 kilometers.

So everyone should have a 50 calibre and higher weapon?

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@fitpOsitive

FP bro,

Pakistan should start arming it's citizens now. Our citizens will take care of all the drones attacking military bases. That will be fun to shoot drones.

Let's hope they don't start shooting each other like they do in Umrikkka.

Regards

 

[fitpOsitive]

@fitpOsitive

FP bro,

Pakistan should start arming it's citizens now. Our citizens will take care of all the drones attacking military bases. That will be fun to shoot drones.

Let's hope they don't start shooting each other like they do in Umrikkka.

Regards

That will also happen. But we should learn something from Switzerland here.

 

[fitpOsitive]

So everyone should have a 50 calibre and higher weapon?

It should be allowed. People will buy it themselves. The things which are sold for recreational purposes earn a lot.

 

[Great Mal]

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Something the military can look at to complement the RPG

 

[Path-Finder]

Do we have these? some years ago it was in the news that these were acquired!

 

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[Ali_Baba]

Is it now safe to assume that the T129 procurement programme is at an end? It would be odd to have two new platforms performing the same function within a similar capability band esp given the rise and placement of drones in this space also?

Is the next procurement between the T929 and Z-21 platforms, that could compliment the WZ-10's ?

I am trying to see if there is any Turkish role in attack helicopters within the PAA???

As the IDF IAF showed recently, it is possible to use these helicopters in the anti-drone role as well to shoot them down. These platforms should(could/are?) integrated with the Link-17 platform to receive target queuing information for anti-drone operations? This is something not possible to do with the Cobras as they are essentially an analogue platform with very limited life left in them.

 

[Toxic]

Is it now safe to assume that the T129 procurement programme is at an end? It would be odd to have two new platforms performing the same function within a similar capability band esp given the rise and placement of drones in this space also?

Is the next procurement between the T929 and Z-21 platforms, that could compliment the WZ-10's ?

I am trying to see if there is any Turkish role in attack helicopters within the PAA???

As the IDF IAF showed recently, it is possible to use these helicopters in the anti-drone role as well to shoot them down. These platforms should(could/are?) integrated with the Link-17 platform to receive target queuing information for anti-drone operations? This is something not possible to do with the Cobras as they are essentially an analogue platform with very limited life left in them.

Pretty much, I don't see how Turks can play a role now. I think it's worth getting local production for the munitions for the Z-10

 

[Pradotlc]

Modern day Battle Tanks that combine speed, protection, and firepower are still needed to Hold ground , can sprint rapidly across the battlefield, shrugging off hits, engaging enemy forces with cannons and machine guns, and driving deep behind enemy lines.

[ Below : The 'flying tanks,' T-80BVM, are now being equipped as standard with protection against precision-guided weapons]

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Yet as powerful as they are, with right hardware & tanks can be stopped; even unarmored ground troops armed with the right weapons can kill the largest and best protected tanks dead.

Tanks are designed to kill enemy tanks - It was reported in Sep 2023 that the US-made M1 Abrams tank is at last in Ukraine, and while it has its limitations, it's more than just another piece of Western weaponry. It's heavy-duty, combat-proven armor that was built with a very specific mission in mind:
killing Russian tanks.

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Improvements in antitank weapons and techniques to suppress armour such as "Top Attack Mode" are leading to Armor designs better able to withstand them and vice versa, with pendulum swings marking the temporary advantage of one or the other.

In recent years, the balance rested firmly on the side of well-trained infantry with both advanced guided missiles and unguided rockets.

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The greatest of these capabilities are fire-and-forget, guided, top-attack missiles—the premier model being the American-made Javelin.

This weapon allows a single soldier to target and destroy even the most heavily armored main battle tank with an almost guaranteed kill rate, at great range and with minimal risk.

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Infantry units will need new TTPs—tactics, techniques, and procedures—to defeat APS-equipped tanks. Development of these TTPs should begin now, and leaders at the small-unit level—commanders of light infantry companies, for example—should take the initiative to do so. Lacking large-caliber kinetic weapons (such as the sabot round delivered from an M1A2 Abrams), it could prove necessary to reduce the effectiveness of the APS before a kill can be guaranteed.

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[Above: Recently Russian MOD published a video showing a Russian tank destroying a Ukrainian tank with the fire support of the combat vehicle (BMPT) “Terminator.”]

The critical weaknesses of an APS are an upper limit on its ability to handle volume of fire, its vulnerability to degradation by external forces, and the arc of its detection system and countermeasures—each of which should be considered as new TTPs are explored.

Attack helicopters such as the American AH-64E Apache Guardian and the Russian Ka-52 Alligator are very effective anti-tank weapons, often carrying long-range missiles with shaped charge anti-tank warheads such as the Hellfire missile.

Attack helicopters whizzing at treetop level can swiftly respond to reports of enemy tanks and set up deadly anti-tank ambushes. Attack helicopters, however, are vulnerable to surface to air missile systems: in thirteen months of war, Ukraine and Russia have lost more than sixty attack helicopters, mostly to ground fire. They are also expensive, with the AH-64E costing $33.6 million each.

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T929 ATAK-II Performed Its First Flight Successfully

Türkiye’s first heavy attack helicopter, T929 ATAK-II, which was designed and developed specifically to meet the needs of the Turkish Land and Naval Forces Commands, successfully conducted its first f

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india using tanks against Pakistan is a bad idea ... they dont have ejection seats

looks like they might be cooked in combat.