PAF Future Acquisition Plans

[Signalian]

Wt aeronautical company....their is no aeronautical company in Pakistan......in the true sense of the word.....
Reason is simple aa their is no investment for R&D any where.....the only one that has the potential to come close ie PAC is being run by idiots....who don't let talent n ideas flourish n the result is ur best n brightest leave for greener pastures.
So anyone coming up stealth version let alone blue prints for a biplane is a non starter.

and thus the reason why I brought up this point. Instead of whinging and bantering which is a common disease running through your veins, come up with plausible solutions or ideas.

 

[Signalian]

Addressing the main point isn't petty, it is literally the entire purpose of this conversation.

If you don't want to have this conversation, just say so.

I am having the conversation, but I wont walk the line that you want me to. I like ideas and solutions, not blame games or petty past feuds. Grow up.

 

[Awwad]

McDonnel Douglas.
Lockheed Martin.
Bayratkaar.
Boeing.

Pakistan should have such private companies which can also flourish the civil side of things, as everything significant is military owned.

That's absolutely invalid comparison in a country where military has unprecedented overreach usually by force. The comparison also does not make sense, when half of its entire history is ruled directly by draconian military dictators likes of Yahya, Zia.

Secondly, What are facilities / infrastructure available to private companies in Pakistan? Do they get free land, free electricity, free perks that military takes from national budget ? Military organisations are paid by people of Pakistan. If a military organisation with 100,000 employees do not make a single sale, even than the employees will not be fired but are responsibility of the state. With the kind of overreach, budget and facilities available to military, they should have been many times better in terms of productivity and exports.

Lastly, you can make such comparisons in non-security states where military abides the constitution and has limited overreach. You can't do it when you spend 1 dollars on education, investment facilities but 300 dollars on military.

 

[RescueRanger]

No off topic discussion or comparison. Any naughty guys will get their typing hands spanked.

 

[Awwad]

On J-31 aquisition, I don't understand what was the need to announce it. This actually gave india a heads up to make their plans.
India left interest and partnership for SU-57 in 2018. But I think, this announcement may spark some interest back again. As F-35s comes with lot of strings attached (conditions). What do you guys think? Given india's history of being Sukhoi operator for a long time.

 

[Awwad]

I wonder if it is already in Pakistan
I mean since it is stealth I doubt anyone can detect it from radar prespective

Possible may be some where in a secret bunker we might already have 18 , J31 Stashed

Production hasn't started. Only prototypes exists. It will take considerable time before its fully ready and gets in production line.

 

[Reichmarshal]

and thus the reason why I brought up this point. Instead of whinging and bantering which is a common disease running through your veins, come up with plausible solutions or ideas.

Wt winging n bantering.....posters like u act like osterages n think all is fine and when shown the truth accuse others.
This is a Forum where u listen to all n not just ur self, but for some reason I get the impression that u lot are not interested in listening but rather blow smoke all day long where the sun don't shine.

 

[Reichmarshal]

That's absolutely invalid comparison in a country where military has unprecedented overreach usually by force. The comparison also does not make sense, when half of its entire history is ruled directly by draconian military dictators likes of Yahya, Zia.

Secondly, What are facilities / infrastructure available to private companies in Pakistan? Do they get free land, free electricity, free perks that military takes from national budget ? Military organisations are paid by people of Pakistan. If a military organisation with 100,000 employees do not make a single sale, even than the employees will not be fired but are responsibility of the state. With the kind of overreach, budget and facilities available to military, they should have been many times better in terms of productivity and exports.

Lastly, you can make such comparisons in non-security states where military abides the constitution and has limited overreach. You can't do it when you spend 1 dollars on education, investment facilities

Halat yah heh ke some years ago HIT wanted our private sector to manufacture the rubber on the wheels that are inside the tank tracks, so it reached out to all the manufactures for the task but non could do it. So it had to import them.

A few of my friends from the private sector both ex military from. Technincal corps n private sector trained, after talking to them about this particular issue, their over all consent is that due to lack of understanding n corruption at the top specifically their are no funds for r&d and even little room for ingenuity and no encouragement from the govt of any sort.....hence wt most are left with is assembling foreign parts/components

Our auto sector is a classic eg of this, no major components of any vehicle are produced here....not even a simple combustion engine, this after decades of presence in the mkt....
The result is that quite a few industries have been closed, workers laid off n the odiots invested the money in real estate n now due to the downturn in the eco. Have lost huge sums.
Its nothing but a rat race here where ppl are looking to get rich quick.
N some posters herewho can't handle the truth only want to listen to sub acha ha sir, a phase thats screwed us up through n through.

 

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[MastanKhan]

Wt aeronautical company....their is no aeronautical company in Pakistan......in the true sense of the word.....
Reason is simple aa their is no investment for R&D any where.....the only one that has the potential to come close ie PAC is being run by idiots....who don't let talent n ideas flourish n the result is ur best n brightest leave for greener pastures.
So anyone coming up stealth version let alone blue prints for a biplane is a non starter.

Hi,

China is doing the leading footwork and massive investment in it and the product is available to us without the cost of investment---.

So----it does not make sense for paf to make investment---but to have the basics and fundamental setup is fine---.

 

[Oscar]

Halat yah heh ke some years ago HIT wanted our private sector to manufacture the rubber on the wheels that are inside the tank tracks, so it reached out to all the manufactures for the task but non could do it. So it had to import them.

A few of my friends from the private sector both ex military from. Technincal corps n private sector trained told me that due to lack of understanding n corruption at the top specifically their no funds for r&d and even little room for ingenuity and no encouragement from the govt of any sort.....hence wt most are left with is assembling foreign parts.

Our auto sector is a classic eg of this, no major components of any vehicle are produced here....not even a simple combustion engine, this after decades of presence in the mkt....
The result is that quite a few industries have been closed, workers laid off n the odiots invested the money in real estate n now due to the downturn in the eco. Have lost huge sums.
Its nothing but a rat race here where ppl are looking to get rich quick.
N some posters herewho can't handle the truth only want to listen to sub acha ha sir, a phase thats screwed us up through n through.

The balance between beating dead horses for beatings sake and learning from past mistakes to implement changes is not something Pakistanis will learn even after the horn is blown on the day of judgement.

Regardless, the lack of local industry and other empty shells of development have little impact in general on the acquisition of J-31.

 

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[Oscar]

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The PL-15 would be in numbers but it wont be standard -
Block-Is would still rely on PL-12s and until the F-16s are retired they will have their 120s.
Lastly - the PL-15 is an EXPENSIVE missile - the PAF is going to be spreading it across the fleet and trying to augment with local improvements/manufacturing to PL-12 to improve performance but it will remain the likely mainstay.

Possibly, much like a mix of Meteor/Mica combo.

 

[That_Guy]

I am having the conversation, but I wont walk the line that you want me to. I like ideas and solutions, not blame games or petty past feuds. Grow up.

You are literally talking about everything else but the point.

Whatever dude. You took forever to reply to me with a nonanswer because you have no answer.

I'm done here.