PAF J-35AE - News, Updates and Discussions

[mythbuster]

Do you know how Chinese people handle the relationship between brothers?

1, communicate regularly with each other about their views on things and plans for the future, and take the initiative to care about important things in each other's families.

2, increase communication between the next generation in each other's families. Cooperate to solve problems and challenges that each other is facing.

3 Offer to help each other in difficult situations, but avoid interfering with each other's choices, and only make suggestions at most. Accept differences in lifestyles and values and respect each other's independence.

4. In terms of mutual economic assistance, the dignity of each other should be respected, and conditions or excessive interference should not be imposed or jeopardize the equality of the relationship. The boundaries of help should be clearly defined to avoid unilateral giving that leads to dependence and harms the independence of each other's economies. There are two principles: "亲兄弟明算账 (even with your own brother, keep clear accounts)" and "授人以鱼不如授人以渔 (it is better to teach a man to fish than to give him a fish)".

5. Confront conflicts directly and communicate frankly. If there are conflicts or disputes over interests, they will communicate frankly with each other as soon as possible.

In general, the Chinese attitude towards brotherhood is "needing each other, but not tying each other down". Keeping in touch frequently, respecting independence, and sharing responsibilities are the only ways to make the bond last through the years and become a solid support for each other.

We believe that the relationship between China and Pakistan should be an equal and healthy brotherly relationship. This is not arrogance as you accuse but responsibility and sincerity towards each other. I hope you truly understand these words.

These are universal values of all of humanity.... nothing exclusive to china .... problem with Chinese is that they believe their shit doesn't stink .

 

[Arsalan45]

It’s a good jet and I hope they target enemy airbase next time. I think training related to ground attack should be given as priority. This is one feature that was missing. Air to air is all good, air to ground attack needs attention.

 

[imadul]

For Pakistan, J-35A acquisition will present several challenges.
Even if China provide at reduced costs, lifetime support, maintenance, spares, costs will be more than the planes itself.

Repair, and maintenance for stealth will be additionally difficult.
Fixing Composites, Airframe skin, RAM, will be costly unless Pak builds a separate infrastructure for repair and maintenance, which will be challenging in the absence of domestic mature know how.

This is while China has not finalized the engines, and still developing WS19 or any Western comparable engine.
May be just replace engine every 3000-4000 hrs!
How can an unproven, unmature turbojet can be installed in a 5th Gen Fighter?

 

[guangdongt]

For Pakistan, J-35A acquisition will present several challenges.
Even if China provide at reduced costs, lifetime support, maintenance, spares, costs will be more than the planes itself.

Repair, and maintenance for stealth will be additionally difficult.
Fixing Composites, Airframe skin, RAM, will be costly unless Pak builds a separate infrastructure for repair and maintenance, which will be challenging in the absence of domestic mature know how.

This is while China has not finalized the engines, and still developing WS19 or any Western comparable engine.
May be just replace engine every 3000-4000 hrs!
How can an unproven, unmature turbojet can be installed in a 5th Gen Fighter?

Simple, there are two types of engines: WS21 and WS19. The WS21 turbofan engine has been running for a long time and is more compatible with the RD93, making maintenance relatively mature and convenient. Pakistan may purchase the J35 equipped with the WS21 turbofan engine.

 

[MH.Yang]

These are universal values of all of humanity.... nothing exclusive to china .... problem with Chinese is that they believe their shit doesn't stink .

Sorry, I don't know anything about South Asian culture, so I thought before that South Asian family culture is different from ours. If it is a universal value then great, easier for you to understand.

 

[Sainthood 2.0]

We don't need a new jet unless India gets one first
We need to go all out on better AD and missile technology.

 

[najamiqbal]

Man , I am lost ... don't know how to answer your gibberish.....we don't need your troops anywhere in Pakistan...get it in your thick head .

I really doubt you are from Pakistan...China has helped pakistan beyond our imagination diplomatically and also militarily....What else do you want..i think its quite fair for the Chinese to take control of the gawadhar port and lease it for 99 years.....

 

[najamiqbal]

You are an idiot. ..get lost .

O bhaijaan, sit down before you pull a muscle trying to sound deep. I’ve been living in the U.S. for 24 years, watching realpolitik unfold — not sipping chai at some chowk pretending to be Tom Clancy of Gulberg. Let’s get one thing straight: China isn’t just a friend, it’s a firewall. While your Gulf “brothers” were too busy launching Instagram ministries, China was:

• Building roads, ports, and power plants in Pakistan — not on Zoom calls.
• Blocking UNSC moves against Pakistan while others sent “concerns” and silence.
• Giving us tech, tools, and teeth — not just "thoughts and prayers."
  So no, I don’t need a geopolitical TED Talk from a local expert whose idea of strategy is shouting “badey bhai” on Twitter and forwarding WhatsApp conspiracies. Until then — enjoy the spice .

 

[MastanKhan]

It’s a good jet and I hope they target enemy airbase next time. I think training related to ground attack should be given as priority. This is one feature that was missing. Air to air is all good, air to ground attack needs attention.

Hi,

In modern warfare---ground attack would hardly ever happen due to SA & shoulder launched missiles.

Smart weapons would be used most the time---.

 

[Yasser76]

These are universal values of all of humanity.... nothing exclusive to china .... problem with Chinese is that they believe their shit doesn't stink .

What is with the attitude dude?

 

[Michael]

It’s a good jet and I hope they target enemy airbase next time. I think training related to ground attack should be given as priority. This is one feature that was missing. Air to air is all good, air to ground attack needs attention.

Modern fighter jets have many functional subdivisions. Often, the air forces of large countries will have different fighters with different functions, and they form a large formation of fighters that work in concert with each other.
Smaller air forces, on the other hand, usually have trouble affording such a large expenditure, and they favor multi-mission fighters.

For example: the IAF's Rafale is a typical multi-mission fighter. In fact, most of the European countries prefer multi-mission fighters.
The same is true for the PAF; the J-10C was originally an air superiority fighter, but its foreign trade version (PAF version) became a multi-mission fighter. I personally don't agree with this choice of PAF. I think PAF should have opted for a purely air superiority version of the J-10CE.

Being able to do everything also means not being able to do anything best.

However, PAF has opted for a multi-mission version of the J-10CE. Well, when PAF is procuring the J-35, I hope they go for the pure air superiority version to form a combination with the multi-mission version of the J-10CE.

For Pakistan, J-35A acquisition will present several challenges.
Even if China provide at reduced costs, lifetime support, maintenance, spares, costs will be more than the planes itself.
Repair, and maintenance for stealth will be additionally difficult.
Fixing Composites, Airframe skin, RAM, will be costly unless Pak builds a separate infrastructure for repair and maintenance, which will be challenging in the absence of domestic mature know how.

All 5G fighters are very expensive to maintain. It's a price that has to be paid.

China can do it:
Same class of fighters, we have the lowest price.
Same price fighter, we have the best performance.

This is while China has not finalized the engines, and still developing WS19 or any Western comparable engine.
May be just replace engine every 3000-4000 hrs!
How can an unproven, unmature turbojet can be installed in a 5th Gen Fighter?

The two threads on J-35 in the PDF are very detailed and accurate. I suggest you go back and read about it before making a judgment.

 

[Deino]

...
Btw, that was Khafee (may he RIP)

Oh!

By the way ... interesting rumour from one of the big shrimps: The export version of the J-35A has indeed already flown and the launch customer is definitely NOT Pakistan!

Maybe @Michael knows more?

 

[StormBreaker]

Oh!

By the way ... interesting rumour from one of the big shrimps: The export version of the J-35A has indeed already flown and the launch customer is definitely NOT Pakistan!

Maybe @Michael knows more?

Is sinodefense still around?

 

[StormBreaker]

Oh!

By the way ... interesting rumour from one of the big shrimps: The export version of the J-35A has indeed already flown and the launch customer is definitely NOT Pakistan!

Maybe @Michael knows more?

J-35AE. Could AE represent UAE?

 

[Deino]

Is sinodefense still around?

Yes ... at https://www.sinodefenceforum.com

J-35AE. Could AE represent UAE?

Unlikely, more likely just E for export of the J-35A variant