PAF Very Own A2A Missiles [WVR, BVR & ALCM Stand off] News, Updates & Discussions

[FuturePAF]

The PAF is going to need some simple/inexpensive IR based WVR missiles (or just give pilots good A2A gunnery practice) to take down what the Afghans look to be doing.

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[Ak01]

The PAF is going to need some simple/inexpensive IR based WVR missiles (or just give pilots good A2A gunnery practice) to take down what the Afghans look to be doing.

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afghanistan did it before pac

 

[CynicalPakistaniCritic]

The PAF is going to need some simple/inexpensive IR based WVR missiles (or just give pilots good A2A gunnery practice) to take down what the Afghans look to be doing.

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We need an extremely cheap laser derived or EW solution.

Missile is too expensive

 

[FuturePAF]

We need an extremely cheap laser derived or EW solution.

Missile is too expensive

Or the AESA radar could use EW to break the command link.

 

[EternalMortal]

The PAF is going to need some simple/inexpensive IR based WVR missiles (or just give pilots good A2A gunnery practice) to take down what the Afghans look to be doing.

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maybe a mix of loitering munitions or machine gun equipped drones used for interception, short range A2A missiles on shahpar/TB2 & EW/laser equipped drones

Also, ground based EW & maybe start exploring use of short range SAMs or anti aircraft guns mounted on highly mobile UGVs chassis

 

[FuturePAF]

maybe a mix of loitering munitions or machine gun equipped drones used for interception, short range A2A missiles on shahpar/TB2 & EW/laser equipped drones

Also, ground based EW & maybe start exploring use of short range SAMs or anti aircraft guns mounted on highly mobile UGVs chassis

Probably best not to use drones to intercept, to ensure safely and quickly knocking down the threats. JF-17 with AESA radars could knock out these threats electronically or with their guns. Ground based gun systems and man-pads could take them out if they are detected close to a sensitive area. Laser defenses on the ground could be useful, but this is a low priority and low probability threat. Mostly for show.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

The PAF is going to need some simple/inexpensive IR based WVR missiles (or just give pilots good A2A gunnery practice) to take down what the Afghans look to be doing.

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In fact for these cheap drones ASELSAN ATOM (programmable fragmenting 30mm ammunition) is more than enough provided you've the tracking and jamming capabilities installed on your MRAPs.....

 

[Ak01]

In fact for these cheap drones ASELSAN ATOM (programmable fragmenting 30mm ammunition) is more than enough provided you've the tracking and jamming capabilities installed on your MRAPs.....

likely costs high 3 figs to low 4 figs per round btw.

per kill cost could be comparable to manpads really

 

[EternalMortal]

Probably best not to use drones to intercept, to ensure safely and quickly knocking down the threats. JF-17 with AESA radars could knock out these threats electronically or with their guns. Ground based gun systems and man-pads could take them out if they are detected close to a sensitive area. Laser defenses on the ground could be useful, but this is a low priority and low probability threat. Mostly for show.

You're going to need a range of methods depending on how advanced the drone is but using JF17 is not viable in the future tbh & even right now it's overkill.

Mind you, in the future you're going to be seeing a lot more drones. You can't keep sending a fighter every time. You're going to need a faster & cheaper solution. Maybe using a LIFT platform for interception duties would be more viable if a plane is needed.

But drones are evolving as well. E.g. akinci will be equipped with AESA & A2A missiles & they're both on the roadmap for TB2 too. Should look into an autocannon payload for drones as well. Plus they can stay in the air for extended periods of time so you can cut down on intercept time.

There's some interesting solutions based on loitering munitions out there as well:

MORFIUS

When threats like drone swarms evolve at the speed of commercial innovation, defensive technologies that combat these challenges must evolve even more quickly. That’s why Lockheed Martin has worked across multiple services to rapidly develop and prove a key Counter-Unmanned Aerial System...

www.lockheedmartin.com

Introducing Roadrunner

Roadrunner defines a radical new class of operator-supervised autonomous air vehicles capable of high subsonic speeds, high G-force maneuvers, and VTOL return to base for reuse.

www.anduril.com

Anduril

Transforming US & allied military capabilities with advanced technology.

www.anduril.com

MARSS | INTERCEPTOR-MR

MARSS has designed an AI enabled autonomous Interceptor that offers an intelligent, cost-effective and low collateral solution to neutralise hostile drones.

marss.com

Maybe in the future you can hook up a solar charger to a loitering munition & turn them into airborne minefields that can stay up in the air indefinitely & intercept drones, planes, missiles & artillery.

 

[Bossman]

The PAF is going to need some simple/inexpensive IR based WVR missiles (or just give pilots good A2A gunnery practice) to take down what the Afghans look to be doing.

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Are you kidding?

The real threat is Mortar bomb carrying quadcopters.

 

[FuturePAF]

You're going to need a range of methods depending on how advanced the drone is but using JF17 is not viable in the future tbh & even right now it's overkill.

Mind you, in the future you're going to be seeing a lot more drones. You can't keep sending a fighter every time. You're going to need a faster & cheaper solution. Maybe using a LIFT platform for interception duties would be more viable if a plane is needed.

But drones are evolving as well. E.g. akinci will be equipped with AESA & A2A missiles & they're both on the roadmap for TB2 too. Should look into an autocannon payload for drones as well. Plus they can stay in the air for extended periods of time so you can cut down on intercept time.

There's some interesting solutions based on loitering munitions out there as well:

MORFIUS

When threats like drone swarms evolve at the speed of commercial innovation, defensive technologies that combat these challenges must evolve even more quickly. That’s why Lockheed Martin has worked across multiple services to rapidly develop and prove a key Counter-Unmanned Aerial System...

www.lockheedmartin.com

Introducing Roadrunner

Roadrunner defines a radical new class of operator-supervised autonomous air vehicles capable of high subsonic speeds, high G-force maneuvers, and VTOL return to base for reuse.

www.anduril.com

Anduril

Transforming US & allied military capabilities with advanced technology.

www.anduril.com

MARSS | INTERCEPTOR-MR

MARSS has designed an AI enabled autonomous Interceptor that offers an intelligent, cost-effective and low collateral solution to neutralise hostile drones.

marss.com

Maybe in the future you can hook up a solar charger to a loitering munition & turn them into airborne minefields that can stay up in the air indefinitely & intercept drones, planes, missiles & artillery.

On the last point, instead of solar, some are Using propane.

The point of using the JF-17 is because it’s in service and at a base. Just scramble if this is a threat here and there. If it becomes a regular threat, then sure, more long term and dedicated methods might be necessary.

 

[FuturePAF]

Are you kidding?

The real threat is Mortar bomb carrying quadcopters.

Those are threats that are launched from close to the border, and could be countered by taking out their operators with Ch-4 type drones and the quadcopters could be taken out by gun systems.

These longer range threats need to have their origin sought but the higher flying and faster drones shot down before the fly the long distance to more critical infrastructure deeper into Pakistan.

 

[Bossman]

Those are threats that are launched from close to the border, and could be countered by taking out their operators with Ch-4 type drones and the quadcopters could be taken out by gun systems.

These longer range threats need to have their origin sought but the higher flying and faster drones shot down before the fly the long distance to more critical infrastructure deeper into Pakistan.

A fake fibre glass model, which does not fly is not a threat. There is a separate thread on the fake stuff the Taliban are coming up including helicopters, tanks and missile. They are a long way away from long range autonomous drone. However, a large off the shelf drone used for agriculture and available easily can be fitted with mortar bombs in days. Only thing one needs is a couple of servos used in model planes

 

[Bilal]

We need an extremely cheap laser derived or EW solution.

Missile is too expensive

HPM + oerlikon with AHEAD ammunition for high value target protection and something like this for military posts (and of course ECM):

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[FuturePAF]

A fake fibre glass model, which does not fly is not a threat. There is a separate thread on the fake stuff the Taliban are coming up including helicopters, tanks and missile. They are a long way away from long range autonomous drone. However, a large off the shelf drone used for agriculture and available easily can be fitted with mortar bombs in days. Only thing one needs is a couple of servos used in model planes

True, for now it’s just their intent towards an actual larger drone in an offensive role. You’re right, we should focus on the quadcopters now, but we should ignore the developing threats on the horizon.