Pakistan-Af: Operation Khyber Storm

[Owaiz]

@Owaiz sb

There are delulu foks who think Pakistan's strategic positions has never been stronger

Well, although I am an Indian and like to think I am not delulu, actually I think this is true, at least for the time being.

and that the US, China and GCC states have nothing better to do than to help the establishment without a public mandate

Whether the US or PRC or GCC help the establishment or not, will depend purely on their own self-interest and will have nothing to do with whether the establishment has public mandate or not.

At the moment US and GCC has an interest in Pak (wrt Iran) and PRC likewise (wrt IND)

Regards

China, the US and the Arabs are using Pakistan for their own purposes, but none of them will step in to help fight Pakistan's battles. Unlike what many delusional people think, most countries don't care who rules in Afghanistan as long as the terrorist groups targetting their countries are kept under control and the TTA has done a good job of keeping the ISIS factions that target the important powers in check. No one wants to see more instability in Afghanistan.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

ttp and tta need to be smashed to atoms and obliterated. Bomb these KUFFAR bast*rds to hell. Kick out ALL af-ghandus from Pakistan. PERMANENTLY seal the border. NOTHING comes in or goes out. Let afghandustan starve to death. If the situation gets too bad, Pakistan seriously needs to consider using strategic weapons against kabul and kandahar.

 

[RealNapster]

Anyone tell KP new CM that Taliban and TTP has killed more Pashtoons than Army or anyone else,

Sorry I didn't get your point. Are you saying that we are supposed to sleep well just because the killings of KPians by army (based on your post that I am quoting) is less than those by TTP which is a terrorist organisation ?

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

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Some Important Facts

Pakistan has made all possible diplomatic efforts to make Taliban Regime stop from current trajectory of proxy warfare, here are some facts:

- 4x visits by Pakistan’s FM to Kabul.
- 2x by Defense Minister.
- 5x visits by Special Representative.
- 5x by Foreign Secy.
- 1x National Security Advisor.
- 8x meetings of Joint Coordination Committee.
- Delegations by religious leaders & tribal elders.
- 836x protest notes & 13x demarches.

Time for talking is over. Time to wipe out the afghans has come.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

TTP, are they terrorists or freedom fighters? Does the world consider government of Pakistan a terrorist government?

Don't know where you're going with this... my assumption is you didn't get it.
Remember the phrase from Mike Mullen..."the Haqqani network is a veritable arm of Pakistan's..."

Pakistan is a legitimate recognized state globally and the association was with a rogue element. In case of Afghanistan now... the government is unrecognized and illegitimate. However, the phrase "veritable arm" is more appropriate here... as an extension... an expeditionary force... potaato... potaito really!

Stop the distinction and call it what it is... an invasion! Don't, at your own peril!
TTA and TTP are one and the same... the distinction helps there cause... call them the collective or collection without granting ambiguity.

Attacking another country is aggression, targeting terrorist government(s) and its proxies is justifiable. TTA's guarantees given in Doha, what were those about? Makes sense now?

Again, it is NOT war on terror! It is an invasion by a militarily weak adversary that seeks to engage at subconventional level. Don't get dragged in the field the enemy wants to play... call them for what they are and make them stand up to face consequences. Want to push borders? It will be there's!

 

[Distant_Observer]

ttp and tta need to be smashed to atoms and obliterated. Bomb these KUFFAR bast*rds to hell. Kick out ALL af-ghandus from Pakistan. PERMANENTLY seal the border. NOTHING comes in or goes out. Let afghandustan starve to death. If the situation gets too bad, Pakistan seriously needs to consider using strategic weapons against kabul and kandahar.

taliban has attempted to invade Pakistan for the last 20 years.

Time for payback.

A pre-emptive blitzkreig of all TTA and TTP bases. There are 150 sprinkled across the border.

Bring out the heavy bombs and jets.

Kandahar should get special treatment, bomb its electric grid, water installations and hospitals.

 

[RealNapster]

It is a dangerous fire that if left unchecked can cause serious issues.
Sohail Afridi for e.g. is using straightforward nationalist language instead of sticking to PTI specific narratives.
He hasnt even bothered acknowledging non Pashtun wings or members of the PTI.

Is he, as a CM of a major province of KPK, and 2 court orders from senior judges as well, allowed to meet Imran Khan ?

Was CM KP the one who claimed Atta tartar is a terrorist sympathizer , funder and a terrorist ? Or was it the other way around ?

He asked PM to let him meet IK, he brought 2 court orders as well. State have given him shup up call on all occasions. State have actively presented him as a terrorist, terrorist sympathizer and what not.

Now why would you expect betterment from such a person who state is saying is the worst ?

 

[Silent_fighter]

I already said that when moderate voices were getting eleminated ny Political circus clowns of the military hardliners or loosecannos would take the helm

The worst clown is Imran khan who have divided the nation on that extent that his zombies cult always aligned with enemy of Pakistan, if Pak is fighting with india his zombies will become indian if pakistan is fighting with afghhanistan his zombjes will become afghanies and i am sure if pak ever fight with israel these zombies will become israeli against state of Pakistan. I am just curious when imrani zombies laugh on our every shaheed and always dismiss Pakistani state narrative why they still have audacity to comment on army / military forum. These zombies only come for chaska otherwise deep in their black heart they want to see fall of pakistan army and pakistan as a state.

 

[Pandora]

If peace talks fail i hope kiddy gloves come off this time. Lives of Pakistanis are not so cheap that fauji babus keep getting us killed in the name of restraint. Bomb the living $hit out of them within first few hours to teach khawarijis what a real war looks like.

 

[Distant_Observer]

What is the possibility of a limited ground invasion?

If we go in and occupy the border towns it will make it easier to smoke them all out.

There is a deep network of tunnels and caves.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

taliban has attempted to invade Pakistan for the last 20 years.

Time for payback.

A pre-emptive blitzkreig of all TTA and TTP bases. There are 150 sprinkled across the border.

Bring out the heavy bombs and jets.

Kandahar should get special treatment, bomb its electric grid, water installations and hospitals.

UNTIL we don't do all of this, Pakistan will continue to suffer terrorist attacks. We need to mass bomb kandahar and kabul.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

What is the possibility of a limited ground invasion?

If we go in and occupy the border towns it will make it easier to smoke them all out.

There is a deep network of tunnels and caves.

No need. Kick out ALL afghans from Pakistan. PERMANENTLY seal the border. Nothing goes in or comes out. Mass bomb EVERYTHING in kabul and kandahar. afghanistan will crumble and terrorism in Pakistan will cease. WIPE OUT these kuffar afghandus.

 

[RescueRanger]

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Lol

As expected...

 

[RocketLaw]

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[unconventional]

When we did that scenario - “Kashmir Fire” in command wargame. It was dismissed as nonsense.

But all it did was talk to scenario where Pakistan faced simultaneously -

India - launching a cold start type scenario.

A “northern force” of breakaway insurgents with former PA elements - potentially talking to GB and KP breakaway elements assisted by Taliban.

In it China gets involved very late stage once it realizes Pakistani lines are crumbling - while India looks to US support to rapidly secure Islamabad to prevent nuclear exchanges

Far fetched then but today you have elements of Pashtun nationalism being stroked at provincial level - what percentage of PA is Pashtun?
Who is supporting them?
You have the BLA and other elements running their campaign

And the US hasn’t given you any tacit support or otherwise.

Some of these think tanks aren’t so much speculating as much as suggesting.

Completely implausible scenario, especially for GB. Do you know what percentage of GB residents are dissidents? India has no sway there.

With KP, it’s more complex, but nothing to do with India. Pakhtuns are still an integral part of Pakistani society, and most of them are patriotic Pakistanis as opposed to Pakhtun nationalists.

Imran Khan and the PTI were actually more of a threat to Pakistan with respect to KP, with them trying to appease the TTA and TTP, than what is going on right now. I was an Imran Khan supporter before, but his foreign policies, especially with regards to Afghanistan were completely wrong, and it’s clear to see. The Pakistani state must be careful not to alienate the Pakhtuns/Pashtuns, but there is much less of a problem there compared to Balochistan.

Balochistan and the BLA are the biggest headache for the state, and the solution to the Baloch insurgency problem requires more than brute force, it requires reconciliation efforts as well. It can’t be solved solely by militarily operations, and it can’t be solved solely by reconciliation (without security operations); it requires a hybrid, creative approach. However, the Baloch dissidents do not have the numbers to separate Balochistan to Pakistan; however porous Afghan/Iran borders with Balochistan and Indian support of Baloch terrorist outfits poses as a substantial nuisance.