Pakistan General Elections 2024

[PakAl]

PTI could join Majlis Wahadatul Muslimeen or Jamat Ulema e Pakistan. 2 ally parties who stood by PTI and IK despite the crackdown.

 

[Bilal]

I agree, alot of analysts are biased, even the pro IK are biased and use IK to gain views. Not everything PTI says is the truth, of course everyone is playing politics.

Look I listen to very pro PTI analysts. I like them and wholeheartedly agree with them. But I will not quote them to someone of different opinion. I would rather use data or neutral sources. Like if I quote Siddiqui Jan would it make a good argument for someone who is of the other camp?

 

[ghazi52]

Internet monitor Netblocks on Saturday reported a nationwide disruption to X (formerly Twitter) in Pakistan amid political turmoil.

"Confirmed: Live metrics show a nation-scale disruption to X/Twitter across #Pakistan; the incident comes amid political turmoil after a controversial election held under an internet and mobile network blackout," NetBlocks said on X.

 

[ghazi52]

 

[Meengla]

I am not asking anyone to not follow any analyst they like. What I am saying is don’t quote them as an argument when their bias is known and won’t be acceptable as a neutral observer.

I am going to get out of this debate/thread, mainly because it is too depressing to see Pakistan sinking into another Lost Decade's third year. But I will say one thing about journalism in Pakistan: Journalists like Talat Hussein and many others who have been against Imran are now acknowledging that Imran has indeed the mandate to govern versus the machinations of Nawaz Sharif. Talat was even predicting an 'Imran Wave' just before this elections.
Those opposed to Imran, with a few nasty exceptions, are generally more democratic in nature.

But, in contrast, when I look at those who support Imran in both journalism and in blogsphere, such as this forum, I see blindness to see the other side. It is what I had called 'cultism' in the old PDF and my views remain the same. Imran's personal nature percolates into a form of Fascism in his followers.

 

[FuturePAF]

everyone would have to work together for economic reforms - PPP, PTI, PMLN or else we are screwed
Even if PTI sits in the opposition, they still have to approve economic agenda from the PDM 2.0(provided they come up with a professional FM that is...)
PPP would serve as kingmakers - PDM 2.0 or PTI+PPP
(As I predicated PTI closing in on 100 mark )
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Honestly, I am somewhat hopeful no matter who forms the gov, they'll have to agree on a neutral professional FM, if not then at the very least I am hoping that if they are together, they can atleast stop the OTT shenanigans of a political FM that comes with a full-blown majority party
lets see how it goes, I don't think it should be that bad....

agreed upon the point that the first thing all parties should agree upon; a neutral and professional finance minister.

so from the point of view of economics, and what leverage Pakistan could exercise, the reason the PTI needs to lead the next government is four fold. One, sustainable development, not the debt based spending of PML-N but a progressive tax system, such as on property tax. Second, opening up industries to investment and breaking monopolies. Third, leveraging IK statements to extract long term economic agreements with the Afghans (the Central Asia economic opportunity; it’s not just resource extraction but facilitating trade with Russia for others the way European countries are doing to get around sanctions). Finally fourth, to attract FDI and retain cash in the country through persuasion not force.

Pakistan needs a plan to cut its CAD and pay back $25 billion a year for the next 3 years.

Pakistan needs a plan to live within its means and motivate the public to put their effort into the country. What the PDM government’s rule demonstrated was that none of these parties are brave enough to face the backlash from the electorate, but if a PTI government can get the mandate and cut red tape and attract FDI, the public will know that all the funding won’t be coming from their overstretched pockets alone.

My suggestion to make Bilawal the FM (and have the PML-N sit in opposition), is to the point you make that Pakistani parties need to work together. Bilawal and the PPP have many contacts in the liberal circles in the west. If Pakistan is to rebrand its image, abroad, Bilawal is mostly a blank slate. He can grow into that role. Domestically his backing can help speed up development in Sindh; such as finishing the motorway between Hyderabad and Sukkur, fixing the worst parts of the railway network, such as near Sukkur where major disasters have happened, and agricultural reforms (Bilawal says his party is the only anti-feudal party). Being in the government, Bilawal can set himself up well, on his own achievements over 5 years to run for the PM spot in 2029. Whatever government comes to power needs to be able to complete the full five years, and be able to hand over power to the next government. That demonstration of stability will be vital to attracting FDI and talent.

Pakistan needs to rebrand to the world, IK’s Sufism and Bilawal’s liberalism can play into this.

Both the PTI and PPP agree on devolving power to the local levels, unlike PMl-N which in their manifesto wants to create about 5 new ministries, such as one for all roads in Pakistan.

So a coalition government could a long way to easing the polarization, but it should not be at the expense of major reforms. The establishment needs to sit down with the PTI and PPP and iron out what reforms PTI wants to make and what reforms they (the establishment and PPP) are willing to sign off on, while at the same time the establishment and PPP need to lay out what foreign policy positions they want the PTI to stay away from and the PTI needs to state what it can agree upon and what it can’t.

Consider many in the mainstream Pakistani media, before the rug was pulled on election night, were indirectly reporting the PTI was closing in on a 2/3 majority, the establishment should seriously allow major economic and political reforms in exchange for the PTI giving up the 2/3 majority (and the perception). PTI needs to then talk about working together, and change the perception of how politics is done. IK does hold the imagination of a large part of the younger population. Without his active help, the establishment will have tens of millions of disaffected youth, and that is not good for long term development or stability.

 

[ghazi52]

Completed, but unofficial results

Seat No	Stations	Winner	Runner-up
NA-001	312/312	Abdul Latif (IND) 61,834 votes	Mohammad Talha Mahmood (JUIP) 42,987 votes
NA-002	341/341	Amjad Ali Khan (IND) 88,938 votes	Ameer Muqam (PML-N) 37,764 votes
NA-003	309/309	Saleem Rehman (IND) 81,411 votes	Wajid Ali Khan (PML-N) 27,861 votes
NA-004	346/346	Sohail Sultan (IND) 88,009 votes	Mohammad Salim Khan (ANP) 20,890 votes
NA-005	421/421	Sahibzada Sibghatullah (IND) 90,261 votes	Sahibzada Tariqullah (JIP) 48,063 votes
NA-006	307/307	Bashir Khan (IND) 81,060 votes	Siraj-ul-Haq (JIP) 56,538 votes
NA-007	308/308	Mehboob Shah (IND) 84,843 votes	Mohammad Ismail (JIP) 31,133 votes
NA-009	348/348	Junaid Akhbar (IND) 113,513 votes	Syed Ahmed Ali Shah (PPPP) 40,740 votes
NA-010	397/397	Gohar Ali Khan (IND) 110,023 votes	Abdul Rauf (ANP) 30,302 votes
NA-011	346/346	Amir Maqam (PML-N) 59,863 votes	Haji Syed Fareen Khan (IND) 54,311 votes
NA-012	199/199	Muhammad Idris (IND) 26,583 votes	Sala Uddin (JUIF) 22,043 votes
NA-013	278/278	Muhammad Nawaz Khan (IND) 32,164 votes	Ata Muhamamd (PRP) 17,806 votes
NA-014	443/443	Sardar Mohammad Yousuf Zamaan (PMLN) 115,544 votes	Mohammad Saleem Imran (IND) 103,333 votes
NA-015	550/550	Shahzada Muhammad Gushtasip Khan (IND) 110,000 votes	Muhammad Mian Nawaz Sharif (PML-N) 80,000 votes
NA-016	464/464	Ali Asghar Khan (IND) 104,993 votes	Murtaza Javed Abbasi (PML-N) 86, 276 votes
NA-017	324/324	Ali Khan Jadoon (IND) 97,177 votes	Muhabbat Khan Awan (PML-N) 44,522 votes
NA-018	604/604	Omar Ayub Khan (IND) 192,948 votes	Babar Nawaaz Khan (PML-N) 112,389 votes
NA-019	385/385	Asad Qaiser (IND) 115,635 votes	Fazal Ali (JUIP) 45,567 votes
NA-020	378/378	Shehram Khan (IND) 122,965 votes	Waris Khan (ANP) 47,535 votes
NA-021	351/351	Mujahid Khan (IND) 116,049 votes	Azam Khan (JUI-F) 60,373 votes
NA-022	387/387	Muhammad Atif (IND) 114,748 votes	Ameer Haider Azam Khan Hoti (ANP) 66,159 votes
NA-023	317/317	Ali Mohammad Khan (IND) 102,175 votes	Ahmed Khan (ANP) 33,910 votes
NA-024	354/354	Anwar Taj (IND) 89,801 votes	Gohar Ali (JUIP) 48,545 votes
NA-025	392/392	Fazal Muhammad Khan (IND) 100,713 votes	Aimal Wali Khan (ANP) 67,876 votes
NA-026	194/194	Sajid Khan (IND) 41,489 votes	Muhammad Arif (JUIP) 19,930 votes
NA-027	342/342	Muhammad Iqbal Khan (IND) 85,514 votes	Alhaj Shah Jee Gul Afridi (PML-N) 18,8832 votes
NA-028	265/265	Noor Alam Khan (JUIP) 138,389 votes	Sajid Nawaz (IND) 65,119 votes
NA-029	201/201	Arbab Amir Ayub (IND) 68,792 votes	Saqib Ullah Khan (ANP) 18,888 votes
NA-030	267/267	Shandana Gulzar Khan (IND) 71,742 votes	Nasir Khan (JUIP) 19,265 votes
NA-031	246/246	Sher Ali Arbab (IND) 82,985 votes	Arbab Alamgir Khan (PPPP) 22,543 votes
NA-032	301/301	Asif Khan (IND) 122,792 votes	Ghulam Ahmad Bilour (ANP) 45,846 votes
NA-033	319/319	Syed Shah Ahad Ali Shah (IND) 93,429 votes	Pervez Khattak (PTI-P) 26,574 votes
NA-034	309/309	Zulfiqar Ali (IND) 95,692 votes	Imran Khattak (PTI-P) 32,698 votes
NA-035	491/491	Shehryar Khan Afridi (IND) 128,491 votes	Abbas Afridi (PML-N) 57,184 votes
NA-036	386/386	Yousaf Khan (IND) 73,076 votes	Obaid Ullah (JUIP) 34,324 votes
NA-037	289/289	Hameed Hussain (MWM) 58,650 votes	Sajid Hussain Turi (PPPP) 54,384 votes
NA-038	374/374	Shahid Ahmad (IND) 118,056 votes	Shah Abdul Aziz (JUIP) 40,965 votes
NA-039	524/524	Naseem Ali Shah (IND) 148,097 votes	Zahid Akram Durrani (JUIF) 110,675 votes
NA-040	263/263	Misbah Uddin (JUIP) 42,994 votes	Aurangzeb khan (IND) 33,852 votes
NA-041	409/409	Sher Afzal Khan (IND) 117,988 votes	Asjad Mehmood (JUIF) 68,303 votes
NA-042	276/276	Zubair Khan (IND) 20,022 votes	Mohammad Ali (IND) 16,194 votes
NA-043	348/348	Dawar Khan Kundi (IND) 63,556 votes	Asad Mahmood (IND) 62,730 votes
NA-044	358/358	Ali Amin Khan Gandapur (IND) 93,443 votes	Molana Fazal Ur Rehman (JUIP) 59,922 votes
NA-045	307/307	Fateh Ullah Khan (PPPP) 56,933 votes	Obaid ur Rehman (JUIP) 48,343 votes
NA-046	342/342	Anjum Aqeel Khan (PML-N) 81,958 votes	Amir Masood (IND) 44,317 votes
NA-047	387/387	Tariq Fazal Chaudhry (PML-N) 102,502 votes	Muhammad Shoaib Shaheen (IND) 86,396 votes
NA-048	261/261	Raja Khurram Shahzad Nawaz (IND) 69,699 votes	Muhammad Ali Bokhari (IND) 59,851 votes
NA-049	461/461	Sheikh Aftab Ahmad (PML-N) 119,727 votes	Tahir Sadiq (IND) 110,230 votes
NA-050	556/556	Malik Sohail Khan (PML-N) 119,075 votes	Eman Waseem (IND) 109,189 votes
NA-051	559/559	Raja Osama Sarwar (PML-N) 149,250 votes	Muhammad Latasab Satti (IND) 113,843 votes

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[Sainthood 2.0]

Yes, the fabulous Form 45! You know as well as I know that such things are never resolved through documents. In America, just about every Presidential elections starting 2000 have been contested going through nitpicking details and still America remains severely divided.

I was talking about common sense: PTI would not have the 180 seats even in the best of times--nobody in Pakistan ever crossed even 40% polled votes; not even ZAB in the then West Pakistan in 1970/71. Pakistan is a plurality and that must be respected by all. However, Imran stands out as the sorest of all sore losers going by his record from 2013.

Imran says he won't accept the gov if he doesn't get 2/3rd majority
Someone should tell that bimbo that we have 3 major parties and getting 2/3rd was hard even in the best of times
Unless you plan to jail and kill your opposition- I don't see you winning 2/3rd anytime soon and since you won't be able to win 2/3rd
Every election we'll see his ilk doing RR because they won't be able to make coalition gov's

I am afraid we'll be stuck with his cry baby ways for a long time now

Anyway, as I said above, I agree with Absar Alam: Give power to this guy and see what he can do this time around. It will be another failure and another blame by him. And this time Biden may punish Pakistan, the consequences for Pakistan would be horrible if that happens.

yes give him power and he'll die his death when people realize the difference between election campaign and reality
Rn army is just adding oil to an already simmering fire and making him even more powerful

 

[Sugarcane]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1756336177060192766

 

[Bilal]

I am going to get out of this debate/thread, mainly because it is too depressing to see Pakistan sinking into another Lost Decade's third year. But I will say one thing about journalism in Pakistan: Journalists like Talat Hussein and many others who have been against Imran are now acknowledging that Imran has indeed the mandate to govern versus the machinations of Nawaz Sharif. Talat was even predicting an 'Imran Wave' just before this elections.
Those opposed to Imran, with a few nasty exceptions, are generally more democratic in nature.

But, in contrast, when I look at those who support Imran in both journalism and in blogsphere, such as this forum, I see blindness to see the other side. It is what I had called 'cultism' in the old PDF and my views remain the same. Imran's personal nature percolates into a form of Fascism in his followers.

Again. I am not trying to convince you to believe or support IK. Who ever you support, it’s your God given right and I respect that.

What I was challenging is the election data based on a official documents.

Rest, do I think you are any less of a patriot. Absolutely not, you may be one bigger than me. I would love to have more patriots agree with me but that’s a discussion for another time.

P.S.: I do however differentiate between people like you who have different likings and opinion and some who are clearly here on an agenda.

 

[SteppeWolff]

I am going to get out of this debate/thread

Thanks

I see blindness to see the other side. It is what I had called 'cultism' in the old PDF and my views remain the same.

Majority of Pakistan has voted for PTI, Form 45s are loaded on the database and go have a look, PTI has won 180+ seats in NA, and most people were seeing it coming ( The one's who live here and are in tune with the awaami mood )

 

[FuturePAF]

I am going to get out of this debate/thread, mainly because it is too depressing to see Pakistan sinking into another Lost Decade's third year. But I will say one thing about journalism in Pakistan: Journalists like Talat Hussein and many others who have been against Imran are now acknowledging that Imran has indeed the mandate to govern versus the machinations of Nawaz Sharif. Talat was even predicting an 'Imran Wave' just before this elections.
Those opposed to Imran, with a few nasty exceptions, are generally more democratic in nature.

But, in contrast, when I look at those who support Imran in both journalism and in blogsphere, such as this forum, I see blindness to see the other side. It is what I had called 'cultism' in the old PDF and my views remain the same. Imran's personal nature percolates into a form of Fascism in his followers.

I will grant you that IK’s over eagerness has made him cross the line from time to time into doing things that could be considered fascistic, but it only underlines the rising expectations, of a rapidly growing populace look at life improving quickly non India and Bangladesh and their getting left behind. (Side note: Yes I don’t know how to use commas correctly and I love run on sentences, )

This is why it has to all come back to policies. Many of PTI’s vote were a protest vote, and should be understood as a demand for a quicker change to the status quo.

 

[PakAl]

Look I listen to very pro PTI analysts. I like them and wholeheartedly agree with them. But I will not quote them to someone of different opinion. I would rather use data or neutral sources. Like if I quote Siddiqui Jan would it make a good argument for someone who is of the other camp?

I listen to Moeed Pirzada, Siddique Jaan, Imran Riaz Khan, used to listen to Mubashar Luqmaan, Zahid Hamid, Shahid Masood but they go over the top. Now recently started to listen to Nadeem Malik. I like to understand both point of views and then find a balanced view going forward.

 

[FuturePAF]

Imran says he won't accept the gov if he doesn't get 2/3rd majority
Someone should tell that bimbo that we have 3 major parties and getting 2/3rd was hard even in the best of times
Unless you plan to jail and kill your opposition- I don't see you winning 2/3rd anytime soon and since you won't be able to win 2/3rd
Every election we'll see his ilk doing RR because they won't be able to make coalition gov's

I am afraid we'll be stuck with his cry baby ways for a long time now

yes give him power and he'll die his death when people realize the difference between election campaign and reality
Rn army is just adding oil to an already simmering fire and making him even more powerful

It not really about 2/3 majority as much as it is about what they want to do with a 2/3 majority. If the PPP is with the PTI in a future government, and they collectively have at least a 2/3 majority, and pass all the reforms PTI is asking for, it will be better for PTI, PPP’s image, and the electorate.

We do indeed need multiple political parties but only if they are serious about sustainable policies and institutions that keep them in check.

If the political class maintain the rule of law upon themselves it will also improve the perception of the Pakistani judicial systems and is one of the key components of attracting FDI.

 

[ghazi52]

Be patient , Slow internet ..

Prime minister is downloading due to slow internet, people should be patient. . . .