Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Another thing I learned that CM missiles “disturbed” their S400 and not destroyed it . I was explained in detail what happened and the results were not satisfactory as it didn’t wipe out S400 battery as we would like to claim .

ANY reliable, genuine and verifiable evidence to back up what you "learnt?"

 

[Areesh]

The night and time refreshes the trauma of numerous indian servicemen who were involved in Sindoor.

The pilots in the air who had to eject - the formation leaders and formation fellows who lost their formation members.

The AD controllers in C2s who lost their peers in the air.

The ground crew who had prepared the aircrafts for strike but didn't receive the aircrafts back for post flight inspections.

The IAF leadership in C2s who just didn't know what happened and decided to ground the entire IAF in western / south western command AoR.

The rescue crew who had to take off in hurry and wildly search for downed pilots before any locals reached and made embarassing videos.

Everyone's got shocks, trauma and memories of their own - for life. What a night it was.

Rip godzilla 3

 

[Areesh]

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Hehe

 

[brazensword]

Like this commoner wannabe PM for life.

2003 - This man has promised me Kashmir.
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2015 - Very soon, it'll be yours as promised.
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And? Nawaz helicoptered in Modi to Jati Umra directly. Us ki bi lics share karu? Hard to think what was offered to him, perhaps peeli taxi .

 

[东风夜放花千树]

sorry mate, you are never gonna get the right answer. Playbook will remain ambigious from outside. Even within PAF, only very few who actually deal with this stuff would know the entire episode as it transpired and this is very understandable because not everyone has access to mission planning and post mission debriefs. Was it Kill-Chain, was it Kill-web, was it one-on-one ... who knows

Someone analyzed this war, and I think it is basically reasonable.

Because of Pakistan's equipment, I think this is possible. Here I will share the blogger's viewpoint, and everyone is welcome to discuss it.

In the May war, the most important thing was the role played by Pakistan's electronic warfare forces. The evidence is that Pakistan intercepted India's voice calls, which means Pakistan achieved victory in electronic warfare and completely suppressed India's early warning and communication systems.

Pakistan's aircraft launched missiles without any losses. This proves that the tactics used by Pakistan involved guidance of these missiles by other radars after launch.

The PL-15 has a dual-pulse engine, and the Pakistani military shot down enemy aircraft at a distance of 180 km, proving that Pakistan's guidance radar detection range can reach 200 km, which is the most conservative estimate. After launch, the PL-15 autonomously searches for the target and then activates the second engine, with an un-escape distance of 30% of its range. The second engine accelerates the missile to Mach 5 (6120 km/h); the pilot's reaction time is less than 7 seconds, and the radar only reacts in the last three seconds. (Public data, cannot be verified).

The PL-15 is currently one of three active dual-pulse air-to-air missiles in service. The PL-15 is currently only equipped by the Pakistani and Chinese militaries.

 

[Abid123]

Our country is going in a very wrong direction

Its a failed state bro.

 

[Areesh]

Whats with the rona dhona and matami environment on this thread?

I am all in for introspection and all that but some members are now exaggerating those desperate indian missile attacks on Pakistani airbases

Get a hold of yourself guys and stop this rona dhona on nearly every Pakistan military thread

 

[Corax]

You know what you and Indians have in common ?

Making videos and songs .

The points he raised are very ligit and accurate .

We are outranged and outgunned except in air to air domain. Scalp and Hammer are being replaced by Israeli ER AsM missiles.

It is no laughing matter and we should be able to openly discuss it. Yes we did exceptionally well last year but any saturated attack by Indians next time will penetrate our defences and hit our bases hard . Launching 4-5 missiles we countered and we survived …. 50 incoming missiles we won’t.

Unless we build up significantly our layered defences to counter incoming hypersonic missiles .

Please stop acting arrogant and be thankful Allah gave us the victory but now is the time to openly evaluate and prepare for the next round .

I understand your pecimism and we should never understand our enemy, but to be fare the same will apply to them next time. They did achieve calling the nuclear bluff and actually turning a hot conflict between two nuclear states, something that hasn't really happened in history before, and that was a slap around the face wake up call for our armed forces, who wrongly assumed the Indians wouldn't be that stupid, but they are. That also explained our limp wristed response after 7 May because it's not something we factored into our calculus.

But of course that has changed. We now know what to expect, and likewise how to respond. Next time, both sides will escalate higher, quicker, and it'll be more intense right from the get go. In my view, the strategic rocket force was going to happen anyway, ever since the development of the Fatah series, but last May only sped that up. We're putting in place the elements to make it just as painful for them too, so it won't be a one way conflict, but yes, we should expect heavier damage next time not only on our side, but their side too.

 

[RocketLaw]

Please let’s do what is best for our beloved country - Pakistan.

Don’t bring old political garbage into this. It is our job to protect our country from every direction - left, right, north, and south.

 

[Corax]

Another thing I learned that CM missiles “disturbed” their S400 and not destroyed it . I was explained in detail what happened and the results were not satisfactory as it didn’t wipe out S400 battery as we would like to claim .

The CM400 is a SEAD weapon, much like the Hughes HARM series, it doesn't necessarily have to destroy a radar that's part of a SAM system, but merely suppress it's operation deployment, that's the "suppression" part of SEAD. In ware against Iraq and Serbia, most of the HARM strikes didn't actually destroy any radars, but merely forced them to switch off and relocate. That could have happened with the S400 radars too, but the effect is still the same, no S400 system online and operating, allowing us to conduct our operations.

 

[Areesh]

19 minutes of watching mirage 2000 dead body

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[RocketLaw]

SH-15 artillery - Queen of the battlefield

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[Jango007]

The CM400 is a SEAD weapon, much like the Hughes HARM series, it doesn't necessarily have to destroy a radar that's part of a SAM system, but merely suppress it's operation deployment, that's the "suppression" part of SEAD. In ware against Iraq and Serbia, most of the HARM strikes didn't actually destroy any radars, but merely forced them to switch off and relocate. That could have happened with the S400 radars too, but the effect is still the same, no S400 system online and operating, allowing us to conduct our operations.

Thankyou for explaining it so well. And that’s what exactly he told me . Radars were not hit or destroyed but merely the action of moving from the location caused huge disturbance in their air defence net work as they had to first switch them off and rush to move while under fire . There was some collateral demage but the system was back on air not too long after .

 

[Trailer23]

ANY reliable, genuine and verifiable evidence to back up what you "learnt?"

The problem is that some of fellow Members think the S-400 is some kind of an Ice Cream truck - jo aik single peace hai.

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It is a sophisticated piece of equipment & extremely capable. Its no wonder the Americans have a problem with it.

Do these people even know why its called the S-400...?
Hint: It has something to do with 'Range'.

That SEAD operation by the Thunders was nothing short of guts/balls of steel/luck.

It doesn't matter if we hit the 1, 2 or 3. You get one, the other two are as relevant as a fart in a spacecraft.

Whats with the rona dhona and matami environment on this thread?

Yaar, bus samaj ja who are the people that are doing the most (rundi) rona.

I'll be damned if they spoil my day.

 

[side-winder]

Thankyou for explaining it so well. And that’s what exactly he told me . Radars were not hit or destroyed but merely the action of moving from the location caused huge disturbance in their air defence net work as they had to first switch them off and rush to move while under fire . There was some collateral demage but the system was back on air not too long after .

Nevertheless achieves the SEAD purpose of making a system unavailable for the duration of the conflict.

And that's how the IAF became a rocket force. Lost all sort of detterence against PAF - couldn't scramble their aircrafts to counter PAF strike formations - didn't have S400 to act as detterence either - the result was PAF took control of the air and the so called 3rd largest airforce in the world was reduced to launching brahmos from ground or carrying out a couple sneak attacks from extreme ranges to get some face saving - fukin embarrassing for an airforce which had spent so much taxpayers money into inducting some of the best systems in the world.