Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

[FuturePAF]

this guy is a retard... he is really fucked in his head.

Yes, but when they cart him out to posture, they are also trying to calibrate their messaging. With this guy, it’s still the less serious types talking, but it’s an indication that it’s a step in their narrative escalation ladder.

By contrast, many many years ago, I got to hear/see a former Israeli minister (I don’t remember the post, possibly defense or foreign minister) speak, sitting mere feet away from him. He was more of a “left wing” Mizrahi guy if I remember correctly. The point being, when something serious is being conveyed the tone is completely different. It’s more concrete and to the point. Same way with the Shayetet 13 guy I got to talk to; about scuba diving into Gaza; focus on the mission, get in and get out as fast as possible, ignore the sharks.

 

[LC150]

Yes, but when they cart him out to posture, they are also trying to calibrate their messaging. With this guy, it’s still the less serious types talking, but it’s an indication that it’s a step in their narrative escalation ladder.

By contrast, many many years ago, I got to hear/see a former Israeli minister (I don’t remember the post, possibly defense or foreign minister) speak, sitting mere feet away from him. He was more of a “left wing” Mizrahi guy if I remember correctly. The point being, when something serious is being conveyed the tone is completely different. It’s more concrete and to the point. Same way with the Shayetet 13 guy I got to talk to; about scuba diving into Gaza; focus on the mission, get in and get out as fast as possible, ignore the sharks.

Israelis threaten Obama they would use nukes against iran... Obama called their bluff..

this is nothing new ... the fact you threaten nukes means you really have no other option on the table

 

[FuturePAF]

Israelis threaten Obama they would use nukes against iran... Obama called their bluff..

this is nothing new ... the fact you threaten nukes means you really have no other option on the table

There is a nuclear sabre rattling escalation ladder. The Russians have been doing this for years. There are still a menu of options.

The following is per google:

Phase 1: Verbal Signaling & Coercion

• Sub-threshold rhetoric: Vague warnings about "grave consequences" or "destroying adversaries" to deter involvement in a conflict.
• Doctrinal ambiguity: Publicly updating nuclear doctrines to lower the threshold for legitimate nuclear use.
• Treaty suspension: Withdrawing from arms control agreements (e.g., exiting the New START Treaty) to signal unconstrained capabilities.

Phase 2: Demonstrative Actions

• Strategic drills: Conducting large-scale military exercises focused on the use of tactical (non-strategic) nuclear weapons.
• Forward deployments: Moving nuclear warheads to allied territory or forward-operating bases.
• Resumption of testing: Conducting explosive nuclear tests to demonstrate resolve and technical capability.

Phase 3: Intrawar Deterrence

• Show of force: Firing unarmed ballistic missiles or performing high-altitude detonations as a visible warning.
• "Escalate to de-escalate": A theoretical strategy where a state detonates a low-yield nuclear weapon on a non-populated area or a strictly military target to compel the enemy to sue for peace.

Phase 4: Limited Nuclear War

• Counter-force strikes: Using low-to-medium yield tactical weapons against concentrated military installations, naval fleets, or logistical hubs without targeting civilian populations.

Phase 5: General Nuclear War

• Counter-value strikes: Full-scale, uncontrolled employment of strategic nuclear arsenals against the adversary's economic and population centers (often described as "spasm war").

 

[LC150]

There is a nuclear sabre rattling escalation ladder. The Russians have been doing this for years. There are still a menu of options.

The following is per google:

Phase 1: Verbal Signaling & Coercion

• Sub-threshold rhetoric: Vague warnings about "grave consequences" or "destroying adversaries" to deter involvement in a conflict.
• Doctrinal ambiguity: Publicly updating nuclear doctrines to lower the threshold for legitimate nuclear use.
• Treaty suspension: Withdrawing from arms control agreements (e.g., exiting the New START Treaty) to signal unconstrained capabilities.

Phase 2: Demonstrative Actions

• Strategic drills: Conducting large-scale military exercises focused on the use of tactical (non-strategic) nuclear weapons.
• Forward deployments: Moving nuclear warheads to allied territory or forward-operating bases.
• Resumption of testing: Conducting explosive nuclear tests to demonstrate resolve and technical capability.

Phase 3: Intrawar Deterrence

• Show of force: Firing unarmed ballistic missiles or performing high-altitude detonations as a visible warning.
• "Escalate to de-escalate": A theoretical strategy where a state detonates a low-yield nuclear weapon on a non-populated area or a strictly military target to compel the enemy to sue for peace.

Phase 4: Limited Nuclear War

• Counter-force strikes: Using low-to-medium yield tactical weapons against concentrated military installations, naval fleets, or logistical hubs without targeting civilian populations.

Phase 5: General Nuclear War

• Counter-value strikes: Full-scale, uncontrolled employment of strategic nuclear arsenals against the adversary's economic and population centers (often described as "spasm war").

true this makes sense in a global superpower power senerio .

but in a tinpot country like Israel where it need every thing to survive from the US...it sounds almost childish.

 

[FuturePAF]

true this makes sense in a global superpower power senerio .

but in a tinpot country like Israel where it need every thing to survive from the US...it sounds almost childish.

They know how to work the US political system to back them up when and where necessary. The same goes for the major European powers.

They even have Russia compromised, which is why you don’t see Russia speak up for old allies in the Middle East more and more, in the post Soviet period. Syria was Russia’s limits in the Middle East.

 

[PakistanLVR]

They know how to work the US political system to back them up when and where necessary. The same goes for the major European powers.

They even have Russia compromised, which is why you don’t see Russia speak up for old allies in the Middle East more and more, in the post Soviet period. Syria was Russia’s limits in the Middle East.

it could also be a fatigue on the Russian's part after the Syria., and fully occupied in Ukraine. Either way the Russians hit way below their weight. They have the technology, the weapons, the know-how but really just contend with way things are.
On a personal note, glad Syria went back to the Sunnis. its the natural order of things. They created these post WW2 countries where a hated minority sits on top of the majority which creates many social problems and lays the fruits of future conflict. This was done rather strategically by the Brits and France.

 

[FuturePAF]

it could also be a fatigue on the Russian's part after the Syria., and fully occupied in Ukraine. Either way the Russians hit way below their weight. They have the technology, the weapons, the know-how but really just contend with way things are.
On a personal note, glad Syria went back to the Sunnis. its the natural order of things. They created these post WW2 countries where a hated minority sits on top of the majority which creates many social problems and lays the fruits of future conflict. This was done rather strategically by the Brits and France.

True, the state has returned to majority rule and some pre British norms. Russians were over-extended and their pull out leaves the door open for the Turks to step up alongside Saudi-Pakistani influence to secure the corridor.

 

[LC150]

They know how to work the US political system to back them up when and where necessary. The same goes for the major European powers.

They even have Russia compromised, which is why you don’t see Russia speak up for old allies in the Middle East more and more, in the post Soviet period. Syria was Russia’s limits in the Middle East.

yes.. they had this leeway

but this war has kind of broken ... ok injured this relationship.. in future I dont see them getting away like before.

 

[FuturePAF]

yes.. they had this leeway

but this war has kind of broken ... ok injured this relationship.. in future I dont see them getting away like before.

Injured is more accurate. The US is a capitalist system and as long as PACs can funnel money to politicians, basically unrestricted, it will be done in a quieter way.

 

[Bratva]

Indian, UAE groups ink pact for $11.5bn aluminium project in Odisha

The Odisha project is set to be the largest foreign direct investment in India’s metallurgy sector.

www.dawn.com

And they wanted their 3.5 Billion back so they can invest in India. If Shehbaz and Asim has iota of honor left, they would not meet MBZ next time he comes on a hunt in Pakistan

 

[_Arabia_]

Saudi Arabia, Pakistan sign MoU to strengthen security cooperation​

July 1, 2026 | 09:15 PM
Saudi Gazette
Last Updated: July 1, 2026 | 09:15 PM

RIYADH — Saudi Interior Minister Prince Abdulaziz bin Saud bin Naif received Pakistan's Interior Minister and Minister for Narcotics Control, Mohsin Raza Naqvi, in Riyadh on Wednesday, where the two sides discussed ways to enhance bilateral security cooperation.

The meeting reviewed relations between the two countries and explored opportunities to strengthen security coordination and cooperation between the two interior ministries, in addition to discussing issues of mutual interest.

Prince Abdulaziz and Naqvi signed a memorandum of understanding (MoU) between the Saudi Ministry of Interior and Pakistan's Ministry of Interior to enhance scientific, training, and research cooperation.

The agreement aims to support the exchange of expertise and build institutional capacities in areas of mutual interest between the two ministries.

Saudi Arabia, Pakistan sign MoU to strengthen security cooperation

Saudi Arabia and Pakistan signed a memorandum of understanding to strengthen scientific, training, and research cooperation between their interior ministries.

saudigazette.com.sa

Pakistan, Saudi Arabia sign agreement for construction of cricket stadium in Jeddah​

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PCB says stadium will be built as per international standards and with state-of-the-art facilities.

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Saudi Arabia announces $8 billion in financial support for Pakistan​

Saudi Arabia announces $8 billion in financial support for Pakistan

Saudi Arabia announced on Thursday granting a financial support amounting to $8 billion to boost Pakistan's economic stability.

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[hasssanali8998]

on a hunt in Pakistan

why is he even allowed to come
ban him

 

[maxpane]

Saudi Arabia, Pakistan sign MoU to strengthen security cooperation​

July 1, 2026 | 09:15 PM
Saudi Gazette
Last Updated: July 1, 2026 | 09:15 PM

RIYADH — Saudi Interior Minister Prince Abdulaziz bin Saud bin Naif received Pakistan's Interior Minister and Minister for Narcotics Control, Mohsin Raza Naqvi, in Riyadh on Wednesday, where the two sides discussed ways to enhance bilateral security cooperation.

The meeting reviewed relations between the two countries and explored opportunities to strengthen security coordination and cooperation between the two interior ministries, in addition to discussing issues of mutual interest.

Prince Abdulaziz and Naqvi signed a memorandum of understanding (MoU) between the Saudi Ministry of Interior and Pakistan's Ministry of Interior to enhance scientific, training, and research cooperation.

The agreement aims to support the exchange of expertise and build institutional capacities in areas of mutual interest between the two ministries.

911 emergency centers handle 2.6 million calls in June

Saudi Arabia's unified 911 emergency centers received more than 2.63 million calls in June 2026, with Riyadh recording the highest number of emergency calls.

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Pakistan, Saudi Arabia sign agreement for construction of cricket stadium in Jeddah​

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Pakistan, Saudi Arabia sign agreement for construction of cricket stadium in Jeddah

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Saudi Arabia announces $8 billion in financial support for Pakistan​

Saudi Arabia announces $8 billion in financial support for Pakistan

Saudi Arabia announced on Thursday granting a financial support amounting to $8 billion to boost Pakistan's economic stability.

saudigazette.com.sa

hope we can sign agreement to send football players in saudi league to get some experience

 

[_Arabia_]

hope we can sign agreement to send football players in saudi league to get some experience

Relations should grow and expand across all relevant fields and future fields (AI, renewables, education, science, environment) etc. Make business between companies, businessmen, direct investment etc. easier as well in both the public and private sector.

Most importantly Pakistan should get its act together economically and fulfill its potential and human capital. With a population approaching 250 million, Pakistan should be doing way, way better economically and in return it would emerge as a more attractive investment destination.

Signing some kind of peace treaty or reaching an understanding with India (most realistic with a future Indian government) and solving the mess with Afghanistan would go a long way and would shift Pakistan's focus to mostly internal affairs.

The region (Muslim world as a whole as well) need to create a greater economic bond which would limit overall senseless rivalries and foster greater cooperation across the board as it would be mutually beneficial. This is how Europe after WW2 managed to burry the hatched after 100's of bloody wars and rivalry. Nowadays the rivalry is in sports or economic performances.

hope we can sign agreement to send football players in saudi league to get some experience

KSA might have the strongest domestic league in Asia but for Pakistani football to truly excel (KSA outside of Asia itself as well) we need to send more of our best players to Europe where the world's best leagues are.

Anyway I am sure that KSA could help (probably has done already) to build a football infrastructure in Pakistan. Maybe more so after we are done hosting the World Cup in 2034 (next year Asian Cup for instance) and we ourselves gain additional experience in this regard.

As for cricket, I have never watched a full game yet but maybe the sport could gain some traction among locals so Pakistani expertise here is welcome.

 

[Bratva]

why is he even allowed to come
ban him

Visiting his properties/palaces. I guess Pakistani elite doesn't want to get banned from their properties in dubai either.