Pakistan UAVs News & Discussions

[MirageV3ff]

One thing for sure that after Iran-US/Israel war, the value of the kamikaze drones and loitering munition will go up, and every regional power will be ramping up the production. Even in the next Pak-Ind conflict we will see India will use initial attack by launching ALCM, from stand-off distances followed by Brahmos and massive drone attacks. We need to bring our own version of both kamikaze and better long range LM. From what I read on here YiHa performance is questionable at best. We should also look into a new System Chinese tested called Atlas, that thing can do wonders for Pakistan in a major conflict with India.

I'll be honest here. The value of these LMs should've increased drastically after the russo-ukraine war. The writing was literally on the war, especially after operation spider web.

Even the Israelis deployed drones in a similar fashion during operation rising lion last year

You had drones being used during the India Pakistan standoff last year

Clearly none of the major powers learnt anything from these wars. The US especially and looking at how they're handling their programmes it's not looking too good

Coming back to the Pakistani topic. We really need to invest in C-UAS systems. One major threats we will have in the next conflict will be LMs saturating our airspace and IADS. These drones can be mass produced in massive numbers, and India has the industrial might to scale production

 

[Starlord]

I'll be honest here. The value of these LMs should've increased drastically after the russo-ukraine war. The writing was literally on the war, especially after operation spider web.

Even the Israelis deployed drones in a similar fashion during operation rising lion last year

You had drones being used during the India Pakistan standoff last year

Clearly none of the major powers learnt anything from these wars. The US especially and looking at how they're handling their programmes it's not looking too good

Coming back to the Pakistani topic. We really need to invest in C-UAS systems. One major threats we will have in the next conflict will be LMs saturating our airspace and IADS. These drones can be mass produced in massive numbers, and India has the industrial might to scale production

That is a major issue for Pakistan, we don't have the industry to mass produce even a good LM or drones, while India can. And they did have manage to hit some of our sites with drones and LM. I think we need to scale up production of a good LM or drone for such roles, and maybe scale up production of cheap Fateh I's and 2s' rockets to fire in great numbers. Our best bet against India will be to end the conflict within 10-15 days max or else we will see some major strikes, and this rule also apply to India as well, yes they have larger numbers of fighter planes, or more men but their stockpiles of high end weapons like Brahmos won't be near what China or America has. I really hope that this Iran war will bring some economic benefit to Pakistan as Chahbar port is pretty much gone, and GCC ports and countries becoming prone to attack, we have 4-5 years to build more economic zones, maybe fully Operationalize Gwadar, and increase volume at Karachi and bin Qasim Ports. Once economic sector does good, we can increase defense budget, and given how no one is safe these days Pakistan must do everything to protect itself from India/Afghanistan/Israel and anyone else.

 

[RealNapster]

We might as well keep it simple and strike a deal with Iran to get tot and just make it enmass ourselves

Long range low cost strike drones seem the way to go in future and we seem to be behind the curve even with multiple warnings from the conflicts of the world


In a war I don't see how we are expecting to sustain a conflict, unless we want to fight for two weeks and then go nuclear

There is a Chinese private company making hundreds of shaheed 136 drones bodies per month. Why not bring their production line to Pakistan ?

 

[hasssanali8998]

There is a Chinese private company making hundreds of shaheed 136 drones bodies per month. Why not bring their production line to Pakistan ?

money!!
why would they give us their lines when we can buy from them .

 

[Sparten]

Regarding C-UAS, @Panzerkiel just how many 37mm or 12.7 quads do the janbaz force have?

 

[Watandar]

Darra made rudimentary Shaheds will be the next new trend in future.

You know what ? Encouraging Darra to focus on drones esp FPV could really pay off in a few years. Those poor folks have been suffering from declining sales due to poor law and order the last 20 years and a new highway that took traffic away from their town.

Clueless visionless Pakistani leaders didn't realize Darra's cottage arms industry could have become a mini-MIC for Pakistan.

 

[RAJPUT]

You know what ? Encouraging Darra to focus on drones esp FPV could really pay off in a few years. Those poor folks have been suffering from declining sales due to poor law and order the last 20 years and a new highway that took traffic away from their town.

Clueless visionless Pakistani leaders didn't realize Darra's cottage arms industry could have become a mini-MIC for Pakistan.

Yeah and let those poor folks sell these to the TTA which will use it against us in the future like the Darra made guns ending up in the hands of every terrorist. Very thoughtful of you

 

[hasssanali8998]

Yeah and let those poor folks sell these to the TTA which will use it against us in the future like the Darra made guns ending up in the hands of every terrorist. Very thoughtful of you

Meh, tbh the people who know how to make guns will do it no matter how much you try to prevent it. Better to take them into the fold — you can monitor them, give them government contracts so they don't work against the state.
@Watandar is right , this is how these industries usually begin anyway: they copy at first , then come up with their own ideas to stay competitive, and eventually you end up with healthy competition that benefits everyone.

 

[Pakistanithinktank]

How much will Pakistan need to spend for 500,000 drones costing $50,000 each?

The Ukraine war changed the way the world thinks about combat. It showed that drones aren’t just tools anymore, they’re the frontline. Cheap, fast, disposable drones are taking out targets that once required million‑dollar weapons to destroy. And the truth is simple, war is never cheap, but losing a major asset because you didn’t invest in low‑cost drones is far more expensive.

For Pakistan, this lesson hits close to home. Airbases, radars, jets, and command centers are all vulnerable in a world where a $20,000 drone can slip through and cause millions in damage. That’s why relying only on traditional defenses isn’t enough anymore.

To protect what matters, Pakistan needs both sides of the drone equation:

• Interceptor drones to stop incoming threats
• Kamikaze drones to strike first and create cost pressure on the enemy

In today’s battlefield, drones aren’t a luxury or a future idea, they’re the difference between losing something big and staying one step ahead. Investing in them isn’t just smart; it’s survival.

 

[Samurai]

Meh, tbh the people who know how to make guns will do it no matter how much you try to prevent it. Better to take them into the fold — you can monitor them, give them government contracts so they don't work against the state.
@Watandar is right , this is how these industries usually begin anyway: they copy at first , then come up with their own ideas to stay competitive, and eventually you end up with healthy competition that benefits everyone.

Yes its completely surprising that Darra still hasn't been incorporated into the Pakistani arms industry. Its a potential gold mine of weapons engineering and production. Rather, they operate independently or illegally. Imagine the output of arms and ammunition increasing significantly, if those Darra businessmen and people are given contracts by the govt. or private which will also be a catalyst for them to evolve, upgrade and create more complex weapons platforms.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

The Ukraine war changed the way the world thinks about combat. It showed that drones aren’t just tools anymore, they’re the frontline. Cheap, fast, disposable drones are taking out targets that once required million‑dollar weapons to destroy. And the truth is simple, war is never cheap, but losing a major asset because you didn’t invest in low‑cost drones is far more expensive.

For Pakistan, this lesson hits close to home. Airbases, radars, jets, and command centers are all vulnerable in a world where a $20,000 drone can slip through and cause millions in damage. That’s why relying only on traditional defenses isn’t enough anymore.

To protect what matters, Pakistan needs both sides of the drone equation:

• Interceptor drones to stop incoming threats
• Kamikaze drones to strike first and create cost pressure on the enemy

In today’s battlefield, drones aren’t a luxury or a future idea, they’re the difference between losing something big and staying one step ahead. Investing in them isn’t just smart; it’s survival.

You didn't answer my question but gave me a lecture instead.

About the Ukraine War:

• Ukraine's war is funded by the US and Europe. Source.
• Europe has given Ukraine $300 billion.
• The US has given Ukraine $134 billion.
• Ukraine can't fight Russia without this financial support.

During Operation Banyan-um-Marsoos, Pakistan sent over 600 drones and loitering munition to India (as per Indian sources). That was a much higher figure than what Indians launched towards Pakistan. So we are well prepared for a future war.

Back to my original question?

How much will Pakistan need to spend on 500,000 drones costing $50,000 $20,000 each?​

 

[RocketLaw]

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[RealNapster]

money!!
why would they give us their lines when we can buy from them .

Its a private company. Sure they will want to expand their business. Its pretty much common for defence firms to open production lines in other countries.

 

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Its a good design, of course everyone is copying it.

Funnily enough, the original design wasn't Iranian, but Israeli.

The IAI Herop Harpy [thanks @Bilal ]

The Iranians managed to reverse engineer a piece they got their hands on, and make it significantly better and cheaper.

Now everyone else is copying Iran's design, and improving on Iran's improvements on the Herop.

 

[RocketLaw]

Its a good design, of course everyone is copying it.

Funnily enough, the original design wasn't Iranian, but Israeli.

The IAI Herop.

The Iranians managed to reverse engineer a piece they got their hands on, and make it significantly better and cheaper.

Now everyone else is copying Iran's design, and improving on Iran's improvements on the Herop.

Yes you are right.

I just saw another copy of Shahed-136 version in Turkey, which is new testing today

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