Pakistan's New Provinces Plan ?

[Pakistanithinktank]

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With this level of corruption and mismanagement, there are going to be no new provinces. Sorry Pakistan, but you will suffer ...

There is a way out. A clean, workable path. The real issue isn’t the solution; it’s whether the Establishment even wants to walk in that direction.

But let’s just assume, for a moment, that they do. If they give the green light, we can build a super‑hybrid setup… a system where the Establishment keeps its core grip, its comfort zone, its leverage and still allows real reforms to roll in through federally controlled divisions.

And if the government somehow brings Karachi and Gwadar under federal authority, then everything changes. We can finally enforce a strong local government — not the old broken model, but a modern one, Tech‑driven, Transparent and Clean.

Blockchain for records. AI for management. A full digital backbone running the entire Karachi Division.

Every resident gets an EZ‑ID. No ghost employees. POS everywhere. Every business registered, even the small food carts on the corner. And tax collection becomes 100% real, not imaginary.

 

[Michael]

The real issue isn’t the solution; it’s whether the Establishment even wants to walk in that direction.

You've finally found the right direction! But it's still not enough.

This isn't just a problem for the establishment!

Previously, I prompted you to consider the origin of the English word "Pakistan," which was actually hinting at this issue.

The relationships between various power groups within Pakistan are extremely complex. This includes not only the establishment, but all factions.

Any major reform measure at the national level has two sides. It will inevitably bring greater benefits to some groups, while others will inevitably have to sacrifice their interests. If the reform plan does not adequately address this issue, it can lead to fierce conflict and serious domestic instability. ------ Don't forget, India is also watching Pakistan's doorstep with predatory eyes. They won't let any opportunity slip by.

Therefore, the first thing you need to consider is how to solve this problem!

In the 1990s, Chinese Premier Zhu Rongji initiated a large-scale reform of state-owned enterprises (SOEs) in China. This led to China's subsequent rapid economic development. ------ However, many people are unaware of the price paid for this reform.

 

[RealNapster]

More provinces is a must. Especially South Punjab needs a separate province.

People have so much grievances over there that Lahore takes whole budget and their issues are never heard.

Baluchistan should be split into more provinces too. Its one huge land mass right now.

I dont like the new idea of 10+ provinces. Instead if we can just split Baluchistan into 3, punjab into 2 and Karachi-Hyderabad region as a separate one. That is more than enough. KPK is too small to further split.

 

[I*R*A]

KPK is too small to further split.

Q, Hazara ki mang sab say phelay ai thi, bakio nay tou kabi kaha b nai hy.

Peshawar aur Abbottabad may koi link nai hy beech may punjab hy.

 

[RealNapster]

Q, Hazara ki mang sab say phelay ai thi, bakio nay tou kabi kaha b nai hy.

Peshawar aur Abbottabad may koi link nai hy beech may punjab hy.

Where is Punjab now in the middle of peshawar and Abbotabad ????

Just because the current GT Road and Motorway goes through punjab, doesn't mean Pesh-Abbotabad dont have any link. Ask provincial government to make a motorway/highway connecting these two through buner or swabi.

And distance between peshawar and abbotabad (even through the longer route that crosses through punjab) is only 200 km. Do you want separate province after every 200 km's ?? And whole hazara division is just 17000 square km. If i had to make new provinces of every 17000 sq.km land in Pakistan. Pakistan will have 46 provinces.

Or jahan tak baat hy demand ki. To Kai saal pehle me news dekh raha tha aik banda jo time ki 40 rotiyaa khaa jata tha. Wo b keh raha tha government ko chaahye mjhy support kry. Yahan to har kisi ki koi na koi demand hy. Jo main question hy wo ye hy ky Kia KPK kay sath reh kar Hazara division ky rights ni mil rahy ? If yes, then lelo soba. But for someone who lived in Abbotabad for 4 years and Havelian for 1 year. I know there is no such sentiments. Infact hazara division infrastructure is better then swabi kohat bannu nowshera sides.

Baqi apko shoq hy har qadam pe dhaid eant ki masjid banane ka to banaao.

 

[Watandar]

Karachi's two largest industrial zones SITE and Korangi span 18,100 acres and house 6,400 factories. Their combined economic output as well as revenue/tax dwarf all of Punjab's puny 100 acres industrial estates/revenue. Come back when people in Punjab stop free loading on rest of Pakistan's especially Karachi's lunch and not have the chokidars of GHQ Pindi commision death, destruction and misrey on Karachi through it's biggest proxy of PPP/Zardari.

That is interesting. I knew that Pakistan's manufacturing economy was limited to Karachi and north Punjab, specifically Gujranwala, Sialkot and Faisalabad, but even I didn't know how big Karachi's economy was compared to Punjab.

If nothing else Karachi really needs to be liberated from Sindh and allowed to breathe. It will greatly benefit Karachites and Pakistan also in the long run.

 

[Watandar]

Q, Hazara ki mang sab say phelay ai thi, bakio nay tou kabi kaha b nai hy.

Peshawar aur Abbottabad may koi link nai hy beech may punjab hy.

I am not in favor of ethnic based provinces, I think that's an existing problem with the current setup. I also think a proper demographic census needs to be conducted before redrawing provinces based on group identity.

That said, I don't really care if a Hazara province is carved out of KPK if it is limited to where Hazara have an actual majority. It would be quite small.

 

[Oscar]

That is interesting. I knew that Pakistan's manufacturing economy was limited to Karachi and north Punjab, specifically Gujranwala, Sialkot and Faisalabad, but even I didn't know how big Karachi's economy was compared to Punjab.

If nothing else Karachi really needs to be liberated from Sindh and allowed to breathe. It will greatly benefit Karachites and Pakistan also in the long run.

PPP will turn into BLA before it allows Karachi out of its grasp.

 

[Watandar]

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Where is Punjab now in the middle of peshawar and Abbotabad ????

Just because the current GT Road and Motorway goes through punjab, doesn't mean Pesh-Abbotabad dont have any link. Ask provincial government to make a motorway/highway connecting these two through buner or swabi.

And distance between peshawar and abbotabad (even through the longer route that crosses through punjab) is only 200 km. Do you want separate province after every 200 km's ?? And whole hazara division is just 17000 square km. If i had to make new provinces of every 17000 sq.km land in Pakistan. Pakistan will have 46 provinces.

Or jahan tak baat hy demand ki. To Kai saal pehle me news dekh raha tha aik banda jo time ki 40 rotiyaa khaa jata tha. Wo b keh raha tha government ko chaahye mjhy support kry. Yahan to har kisi ki koi na koi demand hy. Jo main question hy wo ye hy ky Kia KPK kay sath reh kar Hazara division ky rights ni mil rahy ? If yes, then lelo soba. But for someone who lived in Abbotabad for 4 years and Havelian for 1 year. I know there is no such sentiments. Infact hazara division infrastructure is better then swabi kohat bannu nowshera sides.

Baqi apko shoq hy har qadam pe dhaid eant ki masjid banane ka to banaao.

Hazara region's metrics being better than others in KPK is a legacy of Mr Ayub Khan. He built Ayubia park, Ayub medical college and hospital and other projects in the region while also helping Hazara migrate to other parts of Pakistan and abroad, which in turn helped in remittances. He didn't do jack for rest of KPK.

If you go further north like Gilgit Baltistan then it's the Aga Khan foundation who have put a lot of money and effort into that region to help their people. Anyone else benefitting is incidental.

Not to say Pakhtuns proved much different, although I don't know the whole record. During MMA govt all the money went to Bannu , the chief minister's hometown and during ANP all the money went to their CM hometown.

 

[Sparten]

PPP will turn into BLA before it allows Karachi out of its grasp.

The old guard who fought Zia are dead.
These guts are 15 minutes work.

 

[Watandar]

The old guard who fought Zia are dead.
These guts are 15 minutes work.

It has to be done. What army/PPP/MQM have done to Karachi in the last 50 years is criminal negligence and treachery. As a result, Dubai , Abu Dhabi and Jebel Ali ate Pakistan's lunch.

The same corrupt criminals who ruined Karachi then laundered their ill gotten gains in Dubai real estate. I mean what a country.

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

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[RealNapster]

Hazara region's metrics being better than others in KPK is a legacy of Mr Ayub Khan. He built Ayubia park, Ayub medical college and hospital and other projects in the region while also helping Hazara migrate to other parts of Pakistan and abroad, which in turn helped in remittances. He didn't do jack for rest of KPK.

If you go further north like Gilgit Baltistan then it's the Aga Khan foundation who have put a lot of money and effort into that region to help their people. Anyone else benefitting is incidental.

Not to say Pakhtuns proved much different, although I don't know the whole record. During MMA govt all the money went to Bannu , the chief minister's hometown and during ANP all the money went to their CM hometown.

Its not like hazara is surviving on the infrastructure built during Ayub time only. And Ayub was the culprit of a crime that almost every designation holder have committed. And yes this is one major problem. Shahbaz sharif was CM of Lahore only. AMEER Haider Khan was CM of mardan only.. That last one CM from swat did alot of work in Swat and Dir side. Our politicians tend to focus more on their base to fuel their political journey ahead. But the good thing about KP is that atleast you see CM for all parts of KPK.

Sohail Afridi - Khyber district
Ali ameen - D.I Khan
Ameer Haider Khan hoti - Mardan
Aftab Ahmad sherpao - Charsada
Akram durani - Bannu
Sardar Mehtab - Abbotabad
Pervaiz Khattak - Nowshera
Mahmood Khan - Swat/Dir

So atleast every CM is not from peshawar always.

 

[studsmart]

Unfortunately, the 1973 Constitution was flawed to a degree and was never fixed. Why is the nation hostage to a 4-province structure? Look at India, Iran, and Afghanistan. This is the core issue, and the 18th Amendment completely crippled the federation. Not a good thing. The only solution is a partial reversal of the 18th Amendment and a workable process to create smaller units and enforce the implementation of empowered local government. Karachi used to get 48 billion rupees in 2007, that is appx 30% of the Sindh budget. Now the Sindh budget is 3000+ billion PKR, and Karachi gets 55 billion PKR. what a justice.... thank you Bhutto followers

 

[I*R*A]

I am not in favor of ethnic based provinces, I think that's an existing problem with the current setup. I also think a proper demographic census needs to be conducted before redrawing provinces based on group identity.

That said, I don't really care if a Hazara province is carved out of KPK if it is limited to where Hazara have an actual majority. It would be quite small.

Hazara is not an ethnic based province demand, this region has significant Pushtoon population, it needs its own administration rather than looking to Peshawar for everything. The political policies and how Peshawar conducts itself is not most of the time representing Hazara.