PTI freedom movement against Judiciary and Establishment: News, Discussion & Updates

[pashtunkoum]

Masallah the leader of Ummah married in a pro Israel jewish khandaan then angrazi british Pakistani then jaado gharni.

^ this btw coming from someone who complains IK fans never listen to constructive criticism btw

 

[flyingorca]

So patwaris and f@ujeets believe in black magic too...

As Muslims we all need to believe in existence of black magic.

 

[flyingorca]

If we respected them and treated them equally in the federation it could have worked, but we'll never know. We treated them like dogs and the breaking point came when Mujib demolished all West Paksitani politicians in elections and then did not get his due. In history we blame Bhutto for this, but Bhutto bhi eik army planted politician tha and Yahya did not do much to stop him.

I have enough elders who were serving in the 60s and 70s to know this. Some who paid price and stayed back as PoW. We were racist to them, we didn't kill no 3 million bengalis but there exists a literal colony in Bangladesh where you can find bastard children of lighter skin. You get the idea.

Jab iss tarah se racism karo ge phir East Wing kaise bachna tha.

I asked a specific question which was "if it was a good idea to include east with west Pakistan" and you all just love playing mental gymnastics without tackling that specific question. Let me help you answer. East Pakistan should have always been independent nation simply because of its GEOGRAPHICAL location. The distance from Pakistan to Bangladesh is almost the same as to Iraq, Azerbaijan, or Kazakhstan so this alone should give you an idea of how stupid it was to begin with. Did Army make mistakes in handling Bangladesh? Yes it did but it can not be solely be blamed because of what I just informed you. I know the preprogramed same repetitive answer cant wait to come out from you.
Unless you are a super power this idea of including east and west made no sense specially when you have a much bigger hostile nation in the middle. Same with India, if IOK was geographically separated with Pakistan geographically located in the middle, it would be part of Pakistan by now (before introduction of nukes).

 

[flyingorca]

Fauj supporters are a massive cult. Just because its not tied to one person doesn't mean its not a cult. Nowhere else in the world do you see people support their military being present in all areas of life and civil admin.

Even actual cults have change of leadership as time goes on. What is your point?

In fact, this cult regularly produces movies, TV shows and music videos to increase its appeal. It also has businesses and owns massive swathes of lands (not for military purpose). It's spokesperson regularly goes to universities to indoctrinate kids into thinking that, speaking against Pak army = being anti-national.

Am I wrong, tell me honestly? List one country that is ruled by its military and could at least be compared to 1st world nations. Burma? North Korea? Egypt? Any come to mind at all?

Even if I accept your stance 100% that IK is a cult leader then so what. He'll be dead in less than 15 years. His cult goes with him. What about this one that has no end?

Do you even know the meaning of cult? Just go to any Imrani cultist social media page and you will get the answer.
There are people like me in Pakistan who do not fully support any individual. Its PTI cultist who literally pray for Imran, has his picture somewhere with him, believes he is devine guided and buch of other nonsense. I do believe Asim Munir is doing great but I would never get my BP high for him. I come across anti Munir memes and move on. Its Imrani Cultist who wil 9 out of 10 resort to some nasty abuse because they cant stand anything negative about him. Even hardcore republicans are more tolerant about anti Trump content.
Its you guys who hold a strong belief that No Imran No Pakistan.

 

[flyingorca]

Today I learned anyone that doesn’t want Pakistan to be referred to as “ass kissers” make them a cultist.

you can’t make this up lol

I also learned that cultist believe mere speeches is a bigger deterrent against super power then nukes.
Im still waiting for your response on consequences on Pakistan for refusal to participate in WOT. Just mere Isolated Pakistan would result in balkanization of the nation within months.

 

[flyingorca]

Yep I too have elders in my family who served. Most don’t speak about those times at all. The little info we have got will give you chills. Unfortunately seems we never learned from our mistakes given the rhetoric on here

Did yall also learn a thing or two about Iraq Iran war during the 80s? Same Sadam and Ayatolla that Imran Khan and his supporters still like were accountable for killing over million of each other. Why stop here, if you go back in Muslim history you will be shocked to know millions died in civil and conquest wars. The thing is, every single Muslim nation in the region has a dark history but I have never seen such self loathing gourp of people as PTI cultists.

 

[flyingorca]

^ this btw coming from someone who complains IK fans never listen to constructive criticism btw

Marriage is a personal life matter but when you bring your ex or current partner slightly into politics they will be subjected to scrutiny.
Imagine public outcry if Asim Munir's son marries Jewish girl with pro Israel family members.

 

[Cipher212]

There are people like me in Pakistan who do not fully support any individual. Its PTI cultist who literally pray for Imran, has his picture somewhere with him, believes he is devine guided and buch of other nonsense. I do believe Asim Munir is doing great but I would never get my BP high for him. I come across anti Munir memes and move on. Its Imrani Cultist who wil 9 out of 10 resort to some nasty abuse because they cant stand anything negative about him. Even hardcore republicans are more tolerant about anti Trump content.
Its you guys who hold a strong belief that No Imran No Pakistan.

You don't get your bp high for Asim but you're getting your BP high against PTI right now. Why? Because the cult of fauj has asked you all to direct your guns at him. Imran is the current fall guy. There have been many fall guys before him because it's anyone's fault but this bloody brown sahib fauj.

THAT is what gets me riled up. This doesn't stop at Bhutto, Sharif, Altaf Hussain, Imran Khan. They banned grassroot politics and they pick and choose their own pet leaders and the minute those pets go out of line they bring the country to another 'fragile turn' just to get rid of them. I have not been on this earth long but I am tired of seeing them get away scott free with everything and I have no umeed or expectations of brilliance from them. PMA just doesn't produce the right stuff and it never did.

Also, just go to any fauj-eet fanpage and you will see countless edits of Musharaf, Raheel, Asim even oldies like Yahya. I can go and find a dozen Ghaza e Hind related posts. I can find hours of Zaid Hamid videos.

And boy if you think PTI supporters giving a few gaali is bad wait till you find out what Pak Army does to anyone who merely criticises them. Vigo is not just a meme and neither is 'software update' and if you truly understand what it means when a country sends a pickup full of unknown masked men to their own fellow country mans house just cause he said WORDS that go against their narrative believe me they go much farther than giving gaali.

Even this forum. You can say PTI-supporter all you want but fauj-eet gets censored if you don't add the '-'.

 

[Oscar]

Sir aap kab tak ye cult cult kartay rahay ge? This insult has gotten old.

Don't you realise everyone is just as much of a cult as PTI? There is a cult that believes Fauj is infallible, there is a cult that believes Nawaz Sharif would have made Pakistan an Asian Tiger and there is a cult that believes that Bilawal is a foreign policy genius. There is a cult that thinks Khadim Rizvi could just say no to foreign debt payments and there is even a cult that believes in Khilafat rule.

It has been roughly 4 years since IK left. Nothing to show for it but being 'stable' at rock bottom. If this is what passes as level-headed policy making then respectfully, I want the swashbuckling cricketer back, and I think the overwhelming majority did and thats how he got 180 seats despite sitting in jail.

Those 180 seats were the final say on this matter by the public and it was not respected. They give excuses like 'Oh IK would have destroyed Pakistan' but I think they are doing a fine job of it themselves.

But if you actually read my posts completely THIS is EXACTLY what I am saying about there being multiple cults and no reasonable middle ground. And the post above you highlights why these exist.

The rest of what you talk about the 180 seats and 4 years of IK leaving have little to do with some miracle expected post IK and more to do with structural failures of the economy from decades that neither could PTI or IK solve in 4 years nor will the PDM.

The PTI government did not expect to be slapped by COVID and were bumbling through it sans some actual qualified individuals among them making good decisions. On the flipside post the PTI government got moved to the post Ukraine world and the Trump dismantling of existing norms and trade practices.

Nothing in this world has been normal since COVID and neither would PTI have the answers nor pointing to PDM failures justifies that PTI would have achieved anything(although until IKs own interference there were many good initiatives by former PTI folks that could have left longer lasting structural impact)

So no - the cult insult stands because the whole “with us or we’ll burn Pakistan down” ideas still stand by many PTI supporters

 

[Oscar]

I wonder if the said behavior is universal and applies to all kinds of cults, including Fauji cult of Pakistan?

It ABSOLUTELY does!
That’s what you cannot comprehend that I can call you a blind cultist JUST as I can call fauj worshippers the same.

You simply no longer have the ability to process that relationship

 

[Oscar]

Today I learned anyone that doesn’t want Pakistan to be referred to as “ass kissers” make them a cultist.

you can’t make this up lol

Perhaps you will learn also that you cannot write checks that you cannot cash but it takes going through adolescent stages first and until you go through it in a few years you’ll make up whatever you want to suit your reality

 

[pashtunkoum]

Perhaps you will learn also that you cannot write checks that you cannot cash but it takes going through adolescent stages first and until you go through it in a few years you’ll make up whatever you want to suit your reality

Brother, lets stick to the basics and facts. A nation referring to another nation as ASS kissers is an immediate red flag that said country is a vassal with no agency at all.

I don't see how this has anything to do with cultism or anything else you talked about. In your criticism of IK and his supporters I'm afraid you've lost the objective.

Now some on here are defending decisions made in 2001 regarding WoT. Pause and think about what ya'll are saying.

 

[alphapak]

the whole “with us or we’ll burn Pakistan down” ideas still stand by many PTI supporters

This is what the Fauji cult done in 1971.

 

[Oscar]

This is what the Fauji cult done in 1971.

Two wrongs don’t make a right. Cult is a cult and therefore dangerous in everyway.

Did you know that “decision” to separate BD was NOT the fauj alone and had blessing from every major political and business/industry player including the cult of Bhutto back in 1970?

Or is that too real for your selective bias against the fauj?

 

[Oscar]

Brother, lets stick to the basics and facts. A nation referring to another nation as ASS kissers is an immediate red flag that said country is a vassal with no agency at all.

I don't see how this has anything to do with cultism or anything else you talked about. In your criticism of IK and his supporters I'm afraid you've lost the objective.

Now some on here are defending decisions made in 2001 regarding WoT. Pause and think about what ya'll are saying.

No - it isn’t and while you can conveniently shift goalposts because you don’t have an answer the objective reality is that pragmatic decisions made (whether historically right or wrong can be seen 25 years from now) are better than decisions made on bravado.

IKs self aggrandizement and stubbornness rubbed off very badly with some key allies while the so called “ass kissery” which is a term YOU introduced while claiming objectivity (hence my 5 points on cultism) is simply the fait accompli Pakistan has handed to it and must play with due to mistakes well before IK with establishment input and also from politicians etc etc.

That doesn’t mean what IK did or did not do is forgiven because he made miraculous promises(typical of politicians) on what was a bad situation anyway and then made it worse in many aspects (at times due to shitty advice by his own favorite supporters within the military) and the result is a net negative when he left, compounded by even more initial screwups by the PDM until the military shoved more technocrats in to do some course correction (which have their own screw ups).

So if you want my objective conclusion here then where you are is that Pakistanis in general are screwups or are ok with having screwups in charge of which IK was another screwup and therefore not a solution to the overall national screwuppery.