Rafale M Deal: India and France to Fast-Track Negotiations After Elections

[Pingle]

I eagerly waiting for this deal.... Mig-29K with Rafale Marine..... what a deadly scenario.....

 

[nahtanbob]

And, it's a great relief for Pak too! One strike corps is already gone, and 22 divisions are now down to 16. And, many more are to go to cater for China, who is playing Bharat like a ping-pong ball....

Now, the Pak Deep State can develop its asymmetric capailities via the robotic means, thanks to being entwined with the Turkish military industrial complex. The strategy should be simple: charging at a lightning speed like the Turkic horsemen used to do to cut off the trunks of the humongous Bharati elephants....

I would try to figure out how to make the next debt payments. You saw the US Dollar to Pakistani rupee move from 180 to 280. A descent to 500 or 1000 is not out of the question

 

[DDG-80]

I would try to figure out how to make the next debt payments. You saw the US Dollar to Pakistani rupee move from 180 to 280. A descent to 500 or 1000 is not out of the question

Hey dude, you’re absolutely right to be pumped about the 26 Rafale M deal for INS Vikrant! This is gonna be a total game-changer! Imagine the Mig-29K teaming up with the Rafale Marine – pure destruction on the high seas!

But wait, there's more firepower coming our way. India is not just sitting around. We've got some hardcore air-launched anti-ship missiles in the works. Check out the NASM SR and NASM MR projects – these beasts are designed to annihilate enemy ships. And let’s not forget the BrahMos NG, the ultimate ship killer.

And here’s the kicker – the Rudram series missiles are here to blow enemy radars to bits. We're talking about smashing the radars on those Tughril class frigates, Babur class corvettes, and those monstrous Type 052D and Type 055 destroyers. In essence, the Rudram series missiles pave the way for a flawless strike by neutralizing enemy defenses, ensuring our anti-ship missiles can do their job effectively. This combo makes for a devastating one-two punch that any enemy would dread facing!

And if that’s not enough, we've got swarms of drones and kamikaze drones to finish the job. India is gearing up to dominate the seas and skies. It’s gonna be a nightmare for any enemy trying to mess with us!

 

[Deino]

Hey dude, you’re absolutely right to be pumped about the 26 Rafale M deal for INS Vikrant! This is gonna be a total game-changer! Imagine the Mig-29K teaming up with the Rafale Marine – pure destruction on the high seas!

But wait, there's more firepower coming our way. India is not just sitting around. We've got some hardcore air-launched anti-ship missiles in the works. Check out the NASM SR and NASM MR projects – these beasts are designed to annihilate enemy ships. And let’s not forget the BrahMos NG, the ultimate ship killer.

And here’s the kicker – the Rudram series missiles are here to blow enemy radars to bits. We're talking about smashing the radars on those Tughril class frigates, Babur class corvettes, and those monstrous Type 052D and Type 055 destroyers. In essence, the Rudram series missiles pave the way for a flawless strike by neutralizing enemy defenses, ensuring our anti-ship missiles can do their job effectively. This combo makes for a devastating one-two punch that any enemy would dread facing!

And if that’s not enough, we've got swarms of drones and kamikaze drones to finish the job. India is gearing up to dominate the seas and skies. It’s gonna be a nightmare for any enemy trying to mess with us!

You never fail to amuse… even more since again you speak of „we will have“, „we have plans that“ … always „it will „ and you forget that all potential adversaries around already have these capabilities, already operate such systems and while you wet-dream of „This is gonna be a total game-changer! Imagine the Mig-29K teaming up with the Rafale Marine – pure destruction on the high seas!“ the PLA has a force in service almost three times of your dreams and I‘m more than sure the day India „will indeed finally“ have, China is even more away.

But yes „This is gonna be a total game-changer! Imagine the Mig-29K teaming up with the Rafale Marine – pure destruction on the high seas!“

 

[DevendraRajput]

Very strange behaviour of Indian Navy, Tejas has GaN based AESA Radar and has modern design and world best missiles integrated and what not. I don't know why they are pursuing Rafale M too as Tejas are more advance than Rafale, Eurofighter, F16 block 70, F18 etc. Very strange behaviour, very strange.

The reason is.... Tejas Mk2 Marine variant is not yet ready. All other are ready and flying right now.

 

[DevendraRajput]

And, it's a great relief for Pak too! One strike corps is already gone, and 22 divisions are now down to 16. And, many more are to go to cater for China, who is playing Bharat like a ping-pong ball....

Now, the Pak Deep State can develop its asymmetric capailities via the robotic means, thanks to being entwined with the Turkish military industrial complex. The strategy should be simple: charging at a lightning speed like the Turkic horsemen used to do to cut off the trunks of the humongous Bharati elephants....

Let Pakistan figure out how to buy food. It can then figure war.

 

[DevendraRajput]

You never fail to amuse… even more since again you speak of „we will have“, „we have plans that“ … always „it will „ and you forget that all potential adversaries around already have these capabilities, already operate such systems and while you wet-dream of „This is gonna be a total game-changer! Imagine the Mig-29K teaming up with the Rafale Marine – pure destruction on the high seas!“ the PLA has a force in service almost three times of your dreams and I‘m more than sure the day India „will indeed finally“ have, China is even more away.

But yes „This is gonna be a total game-changer! Imagine the Mig-29K teaming up with the Rafale Marine – pure destruction on the high seas!“

Is PLAN able to take IN, USN and JMSDF all at the same time? Because thats what it will be facing. Together.

 

[Pingle]

You never fail to amuse… even more since again you speak of „we will have“, „we have plans that“ … always „it will „ and you forget that all potential adversaries around already have these capabilities, already operate such systems and while you wet-dream of „This is gonna be a total game-changer! Imagine the Mig-29K teaming up with the Rafale Marine – pure destruction on the high seas!“ the PLA has a force in service almost three times of your dreams and I‘m more than sure the day India „will indeed finally“ have, China is even more away.

But yes „This is gonna be a total game-changer! Imagine the Mig-29K teaming up with the Rafale Marine – pure destruction on the high seas!“

There is actually nothing wrong what he is saying.... This thread itself is about Rafale Marine which is being negotiated so obviously he will discuss in future tense about how it will add a fire power in future to compliment MIG-29K fleet... In future China will have more being a bigger economy but there is nothing wrong to discuss what we will have in future to counter....

 

[DDG-80]

You never fail to amuse… even more since again you speak of „we will have“, „we have plans that“ … always „it will „ and you forget that all potential adversaries around already have these capabilities, already operate such systems and while you wet-dream of „This is gonna be a total game-changer! Imagine the Mig-29K teaming up with the Rafale Marine – pure destruction on the high seas!“ the PLA has a force in service almost three times of your dreams and I‘m more than sure the day India „will indeed finally“ have, China is even more away.

But yes „This is gonna be a total game-changer! Imagine the Mig-29K teaming up with the Rafale Marine – pure destruction on the high seas!“

With 5 USN, 2 JMSDF, and 1 RAN carriers in the Pacific, plus new USAF and USMC deployments in the Philippines and Australia, PLAN's not getting past Taiwan, and the 9-dash line is under serious pressure.

India can throw in 2 carriers and ASBM and BrahMos batteries to choke lines from A&N, Minicoy, Agatti, Agaléga. Our sweet spot is long-range ship-to-ship attacks (800-2000 km), where others can’t compete. Just give us air cover for our fleet, and we’ll unleash those ER Javelins.

Japan's ace is air cover from ships and their top-notch SSKs, perfect for SCS depths over big SSNs.

A Quad alliance is looking like a must. With China tied down, they’ll only manage a few cruisers and destroyers in the Indian Ocean. We can match them one for one in places like the Gulf of Aden and have the upper hand near our coast if they try anything.

PLAN might dominate near their coast and Taiwan, but they can't beat 8 carriers facing them down. This stops them from becoming a global force and limits the ships they can send our way in the Indian Ocean. Our supply lines stay secure.

 

[Pingle]

With 5 USN, 2 JMSDF, and 1 RAN carriers in the Pacific, plus new USAF and USMC deployments in the Philippines and Australia, PLAN's not getting past Taiwan, and the 9-dash line is under serious pressure.

India can throw in 2 carriers and ASBM and BrahMos batteries to choke lines from A&N, Minicoy, Agatti, Agaléga. Our sweet spot is long-range ship-to-ship attacks (800-2000 km), where others can’t compete. Just give us air cover for our fleet, and we’ll unleash those ER Javelins.

Japan's ace is air cover from ships and their top-notch SSKs, perfect for SCS depths over big SSNs.

A Quad alliance is looking like a must. With China tied down, they’ll only manage a few cruisers and destroyers in the Indian Ocean. We can match them one for one in places like the Gulf of Aden and have the upper hand near our coast if they try anything.

PLAN might dominate near their coast and Taiwan, but they can't beat 8 carriers facing them down. This stops them from becoming a global force and limits the ships they can send our way in the Indian Ocean. Our supply lines stay secure.

Fantastic... just fantastic analysis...

 

[Deino]

With 5 USN, 2 JMSDF, and 1 RAN carriers in the Pacific, plus new USAF and USMC deployments in the Philippines and Australia, PLAN's not getting past Taiwan, and the 9-dash line is under serious pressure.

India can throw in 2 carriers and ASBM and BrahMos batteries to choke lines from A&N, Minicoy, Agatti, Agaléga. Our sweet spot is long-range ship-to-ship attacks (800-2000 km), where others can’t compete. Just give us air cover for our fleet, and we’ll unleash those ER Javelins.

Japan's ace is air cover from ships and their top-notch SSKs, perfect for SCS depths over big SSNs.

A Quad alliance is looking like a must. With China tied down, they’ll only manage a few cruisers and destroyers in the Indian Ocean. We can match them one for one in places like the Gulf of Aden and have the upper hand near our coast if they try anything.

PLAN might dominate near their coast and Taiwan, but they can't beat 8 carriers facing them down. This stops them from becoming a global force and limits the ships they can send our way in the Indian Ocean. Our supply lines stay secure.

So in fact you need others to do the job or that India can at least participate? But that‘s far off from your initial claim!

There is actually nothing wrong what he is saying.... This thread itself is about Rafale Marine which is being negotiated so obviously he will discuss in future tense about how it will add a fire power in future to compliment MIG-29K fleet... In future China will have more being a bigger economy but there is nothing wrong to discuss what we will have in future to counter....

But the claim „This is gonna be a total game-changer! Imagine the Mig-29K teaming up with the Rafale Marine – pure destruction on the high seas!“ is just a claim, a funny one and in fact a joke!

Is PLAN able to take IN, USN and JMSDF all at the same time? Because thats what it will be facing. Together.

So again proving my point! Not his claim „This is gonna be a total game-changer! Imagine the Mig-29K teaming up with the Rafale Marine – pure destruction on the high seas!“ is the real threat to the PLAN but your hope of fighting „together“?

As such, why then bragging around with this MiG-29K & Rafale-BS, when you admit yourself, you need others to do the job?

 

[DDG-80]

So in fact you need others to do the job or that India can at least participate? But that‘s far off from your initial claim!

Nah, that's just talk. India isn't waiting around for someone else to handle business. We've got the firepower and strategy to stand our ground against China. Our CVBG, ASBMs, and BrahMos are strategically positioned and ready to go, alongside land-based fighter squadrons armed with anti-ship and anti-radiation missiles. While Japan and the Quad have our back, we've got our own game plan locked in. We're securing our territory, plain and simple. It's not about needing backup; it's about showing we have the determination to handle it, whether on our own or as a team.

As for China, they can talk big in their own backyard, but let's see how they handle staring down eight carriers.

 

[DevendraRajput]

So again proving my point! Not his claim „This is gonna be a total game-changer! Imagine the Mig-29K teaming up with the Rafale Marine – pure destruction on the high seas!“ is the real threat to the PLAN but your hope of fighting „together“?

As such, why then bragging around with this MiG-29K & Rafale-BS, when you admit yourself, you need others to do the job?

Well, we hear China this PLAN that all year around. How much of it is reality? China as a nation has very little actual combat experience. All their home made platforms are very new and mostly built around untested components especially their engines. Outside their own military no one knows how well it will perform in a real combat.

Same is true with all of their weapons. Outside Pakistan, there are no major customers of Chinese weapons. And we know why Pakistan buys Chinese wares. It has no other options.

It also does not help that from time to time one or other major scandal around China's military capabilities comes to light -- like recent one where their rocket force seems to be compromised due to corruption. Not to mention the entire culture of secrecy works against them as well. There is no way for their own government knowing if their weapons and platforms are mature and working.

So, given this complete untested capabilities, any large well tested and established platform is indeed a "game changer and pure destruction".

Its quite simple. Thousands paper boats are not going to stand against one real ship.

 

[DevendraRajput]

So in fact you need others to do the job or that India can at least participate? But that‘s far off from your initial claim!

Whats so wrong in alliances? China is a global menace that needs to be managed. Its everyone's problem around here. Philippines, Japan, Vietnam, Australia, USA, Taiwan, India to name a few. Its quintessential Nazi germany of 2020+. Its natural for its enemies to band together.

NATO was a result of USSR threat. Chinese threat will sooner or later end up forming an alliance against it.

 

[Deino]

Whats so wrong in alliances? China is a global menace that needs to be managed. Its everyone's problem around here. Philippines, Japan, Vietnam, Australia, USA, Taiwan, India to name a few. Its quintessential Nazi germany of 2020+. Its natural for its enemies to band together.

NATO was a result of USSR threat. Chinese threat will sooner or later end up forming an alliance against it.

Again … that all may be true depending the political standpoint, but my only point is: This initial claim „This is gonna be a total game-changer! Imagine the Mig-29K teaming up with the Rafale Marine – pure destruction on the high seas!“ is wrong and totally exaggerated - like so many Indian phantasy-fan-boy-claims posted all day long, when then as a reply you argue with „in cooperation with others“, „in the far future“ and so on!

So why making bombastic claims then? Only to feel good?