Rafale M Deal: India and France to Fast-Track Negotiations After Elections

[HostileInsurgent]

Very strange behaviour of Indian Navy, Tejas has GaN based AESA Radar and has modern design and world best missiles integrated and what not. I don't know why they are pursuing Rafale M too as Tejas are more advance than Rafale, Eurofighter, F16 block 70, F18 etc. Very strange behaviour, very strange.

It's a single engine jet, Navy hence is working upon TEDBF programme.

 

[Pingle]

Again … that all may be true depending the political standpoint, but my only point is: This initial claim „This is gonna be a total game-changer! Imagine the Mig-29K teaming up with the Rafale Marine – pure destruction on the high seas!“ is wrong and totally exaggerated - like so many Indian phantasy-fan-boy-claims posted all day long, when then as a reply you argue with „in cooperation with others“, „in the far future“ and so on!

So why making bombastic claims then? Only to feel good?

I don't know why you got so triggered on this sentence which is not at all wrong.... Marine is being negotiated and once it joins and team up with Fulcrum KS then yes absolutely it's going to be a big threat even for China especially if they try challenge us in our own backyard.....

or do you think if this combination is there PN will have a walk in park?

This is future tense only he used.... you are talking as if Pakistani members never talk anything in future tense....

 

[HostileInsurgent]

Again … that all may be true depending the political standpoint, but my only point is: This initial claim „This is gonna be a total game-changer! Imagine the Mig-29K teaming up with the Rafale Marine – pure destruction on the high seas!“ is wrong and totally exaggerated - like so many Indian phantasy-fan-boy-claims posted all day long, when then as a reply you argue with „in cooperation with others“, „in the far future“ and so on!

So why making bombastic claims then? Only to feel good?

What is the MTOW of the Flanker copies PLAN uses and the MTOW of Fulcrums and Rafales that IN uses/will use?

 

[Deino]

What is the MTOW of the Flanker copies PLAN uses and the MTOW of Fulcrums and Rafales that IN uses/will use?

In what way is this relevant?

 

[Bhojpuranchali]

The reason is.... Tejas Mk2 Marine variant is not yet ready. All other are ready and flying right now.

Tejas MK2 Marine has been canceled, and now the TEDBF will take its place, though it will take some time. The purchase of 26 Rafale Marines is a stopgap measure.

 

[HostileInsurgent]

In what way is this relevant?

Isn't it? It shows how much weapons/payload a particular naval aircraft can carry when flown from a STOBAR carrier.

 

[LeGenD]

Isn't that true for F-35 too?

The US has a war simulation program to find out how its assets will perform in operationally realistic conditions:

Proof of performance can be found in numerous areas, but perhaps some of the most compelling data comes from the Red Flag exercises, which afford the most realistic air combat training in the world. In its first Red Flag, the F-35 achieved a 20 to 1 kill ratio in aerial engagements against adversaries. In other words, F-35s destroyed 20 simulated enemy aircraft for each F-35 “lost” in simulated combat. No other aircraft, aside from the F-35’s F-22 cousin, performs at this level of effectiveness. (Deptula, 2001)

 

[Deino]

Isn't it? It shows how much weapons/payload a particular naval aircraft can carry when flown from a STOBAR carrier.

No. What’s relevant if you want to compare this is MTOW to maximum weapons load or to compare up to what range this load can be carried, but just the MTOW says nothing .

 

[LeGenD]

Hey dude, you’re absolutely right to be pumped about the 26 Rafale M deal for INS Vikrant! This is gonna be a total game-changer! Imagine the Mig-29K teaming up with the Rafale Marine – pure destruction on the high seas!

Rafale-M is indeed a step-up from MiG-29K but 26 is not a big count.

 

[silicon0000]

Rafale-M is indeed a step-up from MiG-29K but 26 is not a big count.

How many Rafale-M Indian carrier can carry if they were able to carry? India don't have many carriers and not all will be able to carry Rafale-M, if some will then what's the expected number?

 

[DDG-80]

Rafale-M is indeed a step-up from MiG-29K but 26 is not a big count.

The Indian Navy’s real bet is on the TEDBF for the future. Right now, the Rafale-M is just a temporary fix.

 

[silicon0000]

The Indian Navy’s real bet is on the TEDBF for the future. Right now, the Rafale-M is just a temporary fix.

How many TEDBF are going to be made? Any expected number?

 

[DDG-80]

How many TEDBF are going to be made? Any expected number?

If we estimate an average of 30 TEDBFs per carrier, the Indian Navy might aim for a fleet of approximately 180 TEDBFs for six carriers.

India Targets Six-Carrier Naval Fleet, Says Defence Minister

I recommend reading the complete post before sharing your wise opinion Dassault already has a JV in India called Reliance Dassault Aerospace Limited based out of Nagpur. It is this company which will manufacture the Rafale in India. However for Domestic production and TOT , Dassault has...

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[vikNerv]

I don't know why you got so triggered on this sentence which is not at all wrong.... Marine is being negotiated and once it joins and team up with Fulcrum KS then yes absolutely it's going to be a big threat even for China especially if they try challenge us in our own backyard.....

or do you think if this combination is there PN will have a walk in park?

This is future tense only he used.... you are talking as if Pakistani members never talk anything in future tense....

Just ignore him, he has a well documented prejudice against everything Indian. He even let it slip once in this very forum. He may be knowledgeable in things China related but and may be even some Indian military developments, but for the majority part he lets his prejudice color his opinions. Best not bother with him.

 

[silicon0000]

If we estimate an average of 30 TEDBFs per carrier, the Indian Navy might aim for a fleet of approximately 180 TEDBFs for six carriers.

India Targets Six-Carrier Naval Fleet, Says Defence Minister

I recommend reading the complete post before sharing your wise opinion Dassault already has a JV in India called Reliance Dassault Aerospace Limited based out of Nagpur. It is this company which will manufacture the Rafale in India. However for Domestic production and TOT , Dassault has...

defencepk.com

I was confused with a 3 carrier navy for indian plus having Mig29+Rafale-M there is not much roam left for TEDBF as the number would be so small for developing a new fighter. But as you mentioned 6 carriers, yes things are clear now.