Nuffle
Registered Member
You cite an alternative outcome for this war based on a historical moment.Ukraine is not winning but Russia is losing. Russia has lost even if it secures the land it acquired by conquest it will be a pyrrhic victory, likely leading to the same post war collapse we saw after the Soviet- Afghan war. Good thing the Russians have a high tolerance for pain, cause there will be pain.
Let me also cite another alternative based on historical data:
The collapse of the Ukrainian state.
And, contrary to the norm of Russian collapse as in 1917 and 1991, we have several historical examples of the opposite condition:
Starting with the Teutonic Knights in 1242, at the Battle of Lake Peipus, Alexander Nevsky exemplified tactical cunning. Against the heavy Germanic cavalry, the Novgorodians used the fragile ice of the lake as a trap: a feigned retreat led the knights into a suicidal chase, where the terrain betrayed their 300 kilograms of armor, sinking them into the icy waters. This ambush technique exploited logistical weaknesses, a harbinger of future victories.
Centuries later, in the Great Northern War, Peter the Great elevated this to a continental scale at the Battle of Poltava (1709). The Swedes, exhausted after endless marches, faced Russian fortifications and an artillery bombardment that exploited their poor communication, resulting in a rout that buried Stockholm's Baltic empire. Here, the strategy was attrition: deny supplies, force errors, and counterattack with renewed fury.
Napoleon, in 1812, stumbled upon the Russian masterpiece of evasion. With 600,000 men, the Corsican invaded Moscow, only to find a city in flames and supply lines stretched to collapse. The "scorched earth" – burning villages, poisoning wells – combined with the harsh winter, decimated the Grand Army, reducing it to 40,000 specters in retreat. It wasn't just "General Winter," as mythologized; it was Kutuzov applying Sun Tzu's dossier: "Defeat the enemy without fighting," yielding space to buy time.
Hitler, in 1941, with Operation Barbarossa, repeated the mistake on an industrial scale. Underestimating Soviet reserves (which mobilized 5 million men), the Nazis advanced 1,600 km, only to be swallowed up by vast distances, flawed logistics, and counter-offensives like Stalingrad. The rasputitsa (autumnal mud) and the -40°C cold sealed their fate, but the true crushing defeat came from popular resilience: partisans, relocated factories, and a fierce patriotism that turned the tide.
Teutonic Knights, Swedes, Napoleon, and Hitler: they all have in common that they were buried in history.
These victories reveal common techniques of "crushing defeat":
1) Strategic depth, using the size of Eurasia to dilute advances;
2) Asymmetrical attrition, via scorched earth and guerrilla warfare;
3) Environmental exploitation, where winters and terrain become allies;
4) Total or partial mobilization, transforming civilians into a vital force.
This is not isolated military genius, but a culture of hardening forged by centuries of nomadism and autocracy, where collective suffering forges unbreakable unity. Russia does not win battles; it survives wars, emerging stronger, like the Siberian bear that hibernates to devour in the spring.







