TF-X / KAAN / Hürjet Turkish Fighter & Trainer Aircrafts News & Discussions

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If the jet had overheating problems, this would not be possible. Sorry but operations tell a different story than subjective noises.

Syria is a primitive power
and Russia never used S400s against the Israeli Air Force


TAI says KAAN will have very low RCS

KAAN with advanced magnetic coating and RAM panel layer it could RCS value for X band 10GHz as 0.003 m2 [ -25dbsqm ]




That means , RCS improved to 0.003 m2 [ -25dbsqm ] for the KAAN achieved balance against the F-35 in head to head engagement

Engagement
F-35 = 37 km
KAAN : 34 km

but KAAN will have advanced IRST to detect F-35 from 50+ km away , even with the F-35’s reduced infrared signature


And F-15 , F-16 , RAFALE , EUROFİGHTER , SU-35 have no any chance against KAAN in BVR combat

 

[dbc]

Actually, I will say, F-35's ONLY goal was NEVER to have a VLO in IR domain like F-22 does. It is still LO due to its excellent thermal management and nozzle design + material selection. F-22 goes for VLO by having sunken nozzle design.

F-35 chose VTOL in its place and sacrificed IR VLO for VTOL, which is why its nozzles need to be exposed!

It was a design choice from the beginning. US has a specialist fighter with VLO in all aspect for that purpose. That is F-22.

See post #28, both platforms are designed for stand-off engagement. The F-35 is superior in its ability to execute the missions it was designed to perform.

 

[LeGenD]

Syria is a primitive power
and Russia never used S400s against the Israeli Air Force

You are expecting miracles from Russians and Syrians in the face of well-equipped forces like the US and Israel.

In First, Russia’s S-300 Fired 13 Missiles At Israeli F-16I Over Syrian Airspace, All 13 Missiles Failed!

Israeli F-16I fighter jets are fitted with Rafael Skyshield advanced jamming POD that deceived Russian S-400 and S-300 surface-to-air missiles since Russia deployed its missile system in Syria. Russian forces opened fire on Israeli jets with S-300 anti-aircraft missiles at the end of an...

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Brutal Truth About S-300 and S-400, Israeli SEAD Mission Works!

The hundreds of attacks against Iranian targets and Hezbollah in Syria carried out by the Israel Air Force, are generally considered by pundits to be its most important achievement in the “campaign between the wars.” That is the name of the 21st-century campaign being waged by the Israel Defense...

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Israel has done a lot to degrade Syrian defenses in reality.

 

[VersusChristi]

According to the Turkish defense analyst, Mete Yarar, in the Haber Global TV channel, KAAN's engine prototype will be ready by 2028. All the building blocks in modular fashion are being manufactured now.

*The source is in Turkish. Sorry, no English version is available. The 19th century British diplomats were advised to learn Turkish for a reason.

All I will say is proof of the pudding is in eating. First build and certify the engine then we will talk.

China, much ahead of anyone in this game has faced way more difficulty in this game. I am not at all confident that Turkey which has NEVER developed ANY kind of gas turbine can spring one out of nowhere.

 

[MMM-E]

Now compared to say Rafale? I think Rafale will have similar frontal RCS as KAAN (Rafale is simply sm) but then Rafale has advantage of having a world class EW suite which KAAN will find itself hard to acquire because it does not have the experience as france does.

RAFALE will be easy target for the KAAN in BVR combat

RCS
KAAN : 0.01 m2 - 0.003 m2
RAFALE : 1 m2

Engagement
KAAN : 175 km
RAFALE : 35 km

Thanks to
-- stealth design
-- advanced magnetic coating and RAM panel
-- internal weapon bay
-- BURFIS AESA Radar with GaN technology ... ( 2.000+ T/R modules )
-- with AI-enhanced battlefield awareness ( 360° situational awareness with 4 AESA radars - sensor fusion with EOTS , IRST with unique configuration )



And KAAN will have excellent EW capabilities with ASELSAN FEWS -- Fighter Electronic Warfare Suite

 

[VersusChristi]

RCS
KAAN : 0.01 m2 - 0.003 m2
RAFALE : 1 m2

First let KAAN enter service and then we will see. Your Radar, EW, EO and missiles are too far away from being realized.

Then there is a question of software. Fifth gen fighters have MASSIVE amount of software written for them to do ... practially everything. I highly doubt Turkey has that expertise to write avionics as USA and France do.

 

[VersusChristi]

And KAAN will have excellent EW capabilities with ASELSAN FEWS -- Fighter Electronic Warfare Suite

Does ASELSAN has ANY past experience of building an EW suite that can beat something like Spectra? I doubt.

-- BURFIS AESA Radar with GaN technology ... ( 2.000+ T/R modules )

If we are talking about 2030s, Rafale will have F5 standard with RBE2-XG GaN radar.

 

[MMM-E]

First let KAAN enter service and then we will see. Your Radar, EW, EO and missiles are too far away from being realized.

You have very limited knowledge about the Turkish Defense Industry


1-- Turkiye has already integrated MURAD AESA Radar into AKINCI UCAV and F-16
GaN technology with 1.000+ T/R modules



BURFIS AESA Radar with GaN technology ... ( 2.000+ T/R modules ) will be ready until 2028 when KAAN delivery start to the Turkish Air Force



Turkiye has one of the best EW technology in the World
60 F-16Cs have already Aselsan SPEWS-II EW Suite
and KAAN will have excellent EW capabilities with ASELSAN FEWS -- Fighter Electronic Warfare Suite



Turkiye has developed GOKDOGAN BVR air to air Missile which is equal to AIM-120C7

100+ km GOKDOGAN BVR air to air Missile enter mass production

So Radar , E/O Systems , EW Suite and Missiles are already realized

 

[VersusChristi]

1-- Turkiye has already integrated MURAD AESA Radar on AKINCI UCAV and F-16
GaN technology with 1.000+ T/R modules

Turkey-made AESA Radar, Murad to Commence Flight Tests

Click on the link to read more:- https://www.defensemirror.com/news/35744/Turkey_made_AESA_Radar__Murad_to_Commence_Flight_Tests

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Is it under mass production? Is it certified for war use?

And lets not even talk about a radar system that is yet to be developed. That is one with 2000 modules.

Turkiye has developed GOKDOGAN BVR air to air Missile which is equal to AIM-120C7

In the timeframe you are talking about ie 2030s, you will be up against AIM-120D and Meteor for Rafale and F-16s.

So Radar , E/O Systems , EW Suite and Missiles are already realized

Once more, are they certified? Are they under use?

 

[MMM-E]

Then there is a question of software. Fifth gen fighters have MASSIVE amount of software written for them to do ... practially everything. I highly doubt Turkey has that expertise to write avionics as USA and France do.

Turkiye has HAVELSAN which is one of the best in the world and provides high technology-based software-intensive solutions

HOW HAVELSAN CONTRIBUTES TO THE NATIONAL COMBAT AIRCRAFT PROJECT?​

https://www.havelsan.com.tr/en/news/daily/how-havelsan-contributes-to-the-national-combat-aircraft-project

KAAN will have HAVELSAN software

https://www.havelsan.com.tr/en/corporate/aboutus/company-profile

 

[MMM-E]

Is it under mass production? Is it certified for war use?

And lets not even talk about a radar system that is yet to be developed. That is one with 2000 modules.

So funny .. you are struggling

Turkiye has already developed MURAD AESA Radar and integrated into Indigenous platforms

even 155 F-16s will be modernized with indigenous systems including MURAD AESA Radar

20 KAAN will be delivered to the Turkish Air Force in 2028 with indigenous Radar , E/O Systems , EW Suite and Missiles

Do you think that Turkiye is Zambia or Zimbabwe ?
Aselsan CENK-S AESA Naval Radar

-- S Band
-- Range : 400 km
--Track capacity >1000


Aselsan ERALP early warning AESA Radar
4,000 GaN T/R modules



Dou you know what about ASELSAN ?
One of the best defense company in the world for E/O Systems , Avionics , EW Systems and GaN based AESA Radars

 

[VersusChristi]

So funny .. you are struggling

Turkiye has already developed MURAD AESA Radar and integrated into Indigenous platforms

even 155 F-16s will be modernized with indigenous systems including MURAD AESA Radar

20 KAAN will be delivered to the Turkish Air Force in 2028 with indigenous Radar , E/O Systems , EW Suite and Missiles
Do you think that Turkiye is Zambia or Zimbabwe ?
Aselsan CENK-S AESA Naval Radar

-- S Band
-- Range : 400 km
--Track capacity >1000

Am I struggling? You are saying that projects that are not yet done as done and completed and I am supposed to be struggling?

You are making an extraordinary claim that in 4 years you will be able to integrate so many systems, develop the remaining ones and mass produce them to 20. China took way longer than you are claiming and we are supposed to believe you. Not to mention, if US Turkey relations are derailed you will be subjected to technology denial.

And you are telling me that I am struggling.

 

[VersusChristi]

Aselsan ERALP early warning AESA Radar
4,000 GaN T/R modules

Aselsan CENK-S AESA Naval Radar

-- S Band
-- Range : 400 km
--Track capacity >1000

Wait again... Are you seriously comparing ship borne radars with air borne radars? I mean that is ... grasping the straws.

 

[VersusChristi]

Dou you know what about ASELSAN ?
One of the best defense company in the world for E/O Systems , Avionics , EW Systems and GaN based AESA Radars

Okay, how many countries are using their E/O, Avionics, EW products?

 

[MMM-E]

In the timeframe you are talking about ie 2030s, you will be up against AIM-120D and Meteor for Rafale and F-16s.

Again so funny

The most important thing is stealth platform

F-16 , RAFALE Pilot can not see KAAN on Radar even from 50 km away

Engagement
KAAN : 175 km
RAFALE : 35 km
F-16V : 29 km

so AIM-120D and METEOR will be useles against stealth KAAN
100+ km GOKDOGAN air to air Missile will enough to turn F-16V and RAFALE into scrap of metal in BVR combat

btw Turkiye develops GOKHAN ramjet powered long range air to air missile which will be equal to AIM-260 and METEOR missiles


Even Turkish KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet has much lower RCS than F-16V and RAFALE

First-look , First-fire , First kill capability