TF-X / KAAN / Hürjet Turkish Fighter & Trainer Aircrafts News & Discussions

[Antonius123]

We are talking about F22 ..... not NDAG

F-22 upgrade consist of some avionic modernization
F-22's head-up display (HUD) by upgrading it to a full digital version

nothing else .....

No DIRCM
No Artificial Intelligence Co-pilot
No 360° situational awareness .... (AI-enhanced battlefield awareness )
No Augmented lethality with support of Artificial Intelligence and Neural Networks
No Full data-to-decision (D2D) capability for multi-layered distributed team of diverse manned aircraft working in concert with unmanned types

Can't you read the article that the upgraded F-22 share tech with NGAD and as test bed for NGAD technology?

Or you don't understand?

 

[hyperman]

I am not saying the avionics/sensors of the current/upgraded F-22 will be better than those of KAAN; which from my statements that you think I am saying so?

And who is comparing old F-22 with KAAN? I am comparing the upgraded F-22 with the upcoming KAAN; and who said someone can give specific details of F-22?

No, we are talking about KAAN which is claimed to be better than F-22.

I dont understand why and how could you miss the points so much and saying other gibberish while the severe missunderstanding is on your side.

What extensive upgrade has the F-22 gone through? If im not mistaken, its been minimal, the USAF has opted to instead acquire more F-35s and put the funds towards retiring the F-22 with the NGAD. The F-35 and KAAN were designed from the ground up as system of systems, they have an extensive amount of sensor fusion.

 

[hyperman]

the upgraded F-22 share tech with NGAD and as test bed for NGAD technology?

Thats not production, thats testing, none of those upgrades are on in service F-22s and they don't intend to add them, its purely on a test bed thats not in service. You talking about this one right?

 

[MMM-E]

Can't you read the article that the upgraded F-22 share tech with NGAD and as test bed for NGAD technology?

Or you don't understand?

I read only hypothesis by a freelance journalist ( non-official source )


F-22 upgrade
The first phase was completed in 2022 and focused on an Open Systems Architecture update that added hardware for the F-22 to be able to transmit Link 16.

Second phase is a software modification program

The next phase is electronics
Lockheed Martin officials selected BAE Systems to modernize F-22's head-up display (HUD) by upgrading it to a full digital version.

Also LM is testing low-drag tanks and pylons as part of a push to improve the F-22’s range

nothing ele

 

[LegionnairE]

Also LM is testing low-drag tanks and pylons as part of a push to improve the F-22’s range

Makes no sense, it already has great range.

 

[Merzifonlu]

Makes no sense, it already has great range.

No. Range is abaut 800 km. (Without external fuel tanks.)

 

[Antonius123]

What extensive upgrade has the F-22 gone through? If im not mistaken, its been minimal, the USAF has opted to instead acquire more F-35s and put the funds towards retiring the F-22 with the NGAD. The F-35 and KAAN were designed from the ground up as system of systems, they have an extensive amount of sensor fusion.

You both obviously either can't read article or have bad reading comprehension.

The upgrade is not minimal but alot, some of them are mentioned in the article, some are not but it mention regarding the sharing and test bed technology for NGAD.

The F-22 Is Finally Getting Some Much Needed Upgrades

The new upgrades for the F-22 have been teased both in official Air Force artworks and FY23 budget. 25 years after it entered service in the U.S. Air

theaviationist.com

I read only hypothesis by a freelance journalist ( non-official source )

Why cherry picking in reading the article?

The article says some of these upgrades were unveiled last week in the Fiscal Year 23 Budget request documentation and in an official artwork shared by Gen. Mark Kelly, the Commander of Air Combat Command, in a post about the 15th anniversary of the approval of the first F-22 flight demonstration.

F-22 upgrade
The first phase was completed in 2022 and focused on an Open Systems Architecture update that added hardware for the F-22 to be able to transmit Link 16.

Second phase is a software modification program

The next phase is electronics
Lockheed Martin officials selected BAE Systems to modernize F-22's head-up display (HUD) by upgrading it to a full digital version.

Also LM is testing low-drag tanks and pylons as part of a push to improve the F-22’s range

nothing ele

You are a bad reader obviously due to cherry picking on what you want to read.

Excerpt from the article for you:

The F-22 Program Office is seeking novel hardware and software solutions that provide long-range infrared sensing and object detection capabilities.

• IRST
• F-35’s Electro Optical Targeting System (EOTS)
• cyber intrusion detection and prevention,
• predictive maintenance,
• synthetic data generation,
• sensor fusion,
• improved sensing (radar),
• manned-unmanned teaming,
• pilot-assisted autonomy,
• alternative navigation to GPS,
• Scorpion Helmet-Mounted Display (HMD),
• Red Air threat replication application,
• optimized intercept,
• real-time debriefing (basic fighter maneuvers), and combat identification.
• Low Drag Tank and Pylon (LDTP)
• new unknown air-to-air missile
• mirror-like coating

So you see, many of the mentioned features are non existent in the future KAAN, such as: mirror like coating, LDTP, cyber LDTP, etc.
The FY23 documents link the F-22’s upgrades to the development of the NGAD

So it is hilarious to see you are doubting AI capabilities in the upgraded F-22 as you are doubting US - the leader in AI technology - to be able to incorporate AI into F-22

Thats not production, thats testing, none of those upgrades are on in service F-22s and they don't intend to add them, its purely on a test bed thats not in service. You talking about this one right?

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As the article said: that mirror coating is feature in the upgraded F-22; could be test bed on the existing modified F-22.

The upgrade will include some technology in NGAD.

Here is what the documents say:
The F-22 program attempts to maximize efficiency by utilizing technology transfer both to the Next Generation Air Dominance (NGAD) portfolio, and from the NGAD portfolio based on emerging threats, AF priorities, and development pipeline capacity. Incorporating NGAD developed technologies will include developing, integrating, and testing capabilities on the F-22 weapon system.”

The F-22 Is Finally Getting Some Much Needed Upgrades

The new upgrades for the F-22 have been teased both in official Air Force artworks and FY23 budget. 25 years after it entered service in the U.S. Air

theaviationist.com

 

[hyperman]

You both obviously either can't read article or have bad reading comprehension.

The upgrade is not minimal but alot, some of them are mentioned in the article, some are not but it mention regarding the sharing and test bed technology for NGAD.

The F-22 Is Finally Getting Some Much Needed Upgrades

The new upgrades for the F-22 have been teased both in official Air Force artworks and FY23 budget. 25 years after it entered service in the U.S. Air

theaviationist.com

Why cherry picking in reading the article?

The article says some of these upgrades were unveiled last week in the Fiscal Year 23 Budget request documentation and in an official artwork shared by Gen. Mark Kelly, the Commander of Air Combat Command, in a post about the 15th anniversary of the approval of the first F-22 flight demonstration.



You are a bad reader obviously due to cherry picking on what you want to read.

Excerpt from the article for you:

The F-22 Program Office is seeking novel hardware and software solutions that provide long-range infrared sensing and object detection capabilities.

• IRST
• F-35’s Electro Optical Targeting System (EOTS)
• cyber intrusion detection and prevention,
• predictive maintenance,
• synthetic data generation,
• sensor fusion,
• improved sensing (radar),
• manned-unmanned teaming,
• pilot-assisted autonomy,
• alternative navigation to GPS,
• Scorpion Helmet-Mounted Display (HMD),
• Red Air threat replication application,
• optimized intercept,
• real-time debriefing (basic fighter maneuvers), and combat identification.
• Low Drag Tank and Pylon (LDTP)
• new unknown air-to-air missile
• mirror-like coating

So you see, many of the mentioned features are non existent in the future KAAN, such as: mirror like coating, LDTP, cyber LDTP, etc.
The FY23 documents link the F-22’s upgrades to the development of the NGAD

So it is hilarious to see you are doubting AI capabilities in the upgraded F-22 as you are doubting US - the leader in AI technology - to be able to incorporate AI into F-22




As the article said: that mirror coating is feature in the upgraded F-22; could be test bed on the existing modified F-22.

The upgrade will include some technology in NGAD.

Here is what the documents say:
The F-22 program attempts to maximize efficiency by utilizing technology transfer both to the Next Generation Air Dominance (NGAD) portfolio, and from the NGAD portfolio based on emerging threats, AF priorities, and development pipeline capacity. Incorporating NGAD developed technologies will include developing, integrating, and testing capabilities on the F-22 weapon system.”

The F-22 Is Finally Getting Some Much Needed Upgrades

The new upgrades for the F-22 have been teased both in official Air Force artworks and FY23 budget. 25 years after it entered service in the U.S. Air

theaviationist.com

Where is the IRST on the F-22?

Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Is there a single F-22 with an IRST in service?

Why are we comparing hypothetical upgrades? compare in service F-22s rights now.

 

[Antonius123]

Where is the IRST on the F-22?

Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Is there a single F-22 with an IRST in service?

Why are we comparing hypothetical upgrades? compare in service F-22s rights now.

Why should I compare existing F-22 with hypothetical KAAN? LOL.

US has technology needed to upgrade F-22 and she has decided so; while Turkiye' capability to materialize KAAN as promoted by TAI's GM is still in question. So the KAAN more advanced than F-22/F-35 is the more hypothetical one.

 

[MMM-E]

So it is hilarious to see you are doubting AI capabilities in the upgraded F-22 as you are doubting US - the leader in AI technology - to be able to incorporate AI into F-22

I am not doubting AI capabilities of hyper power USA
As I said USA min 30 years ahead of whole world in technology

F-22 has no any upgrade as you said ...
and AI controlled 360° situational awareness . D2D . DIRCM , Artificial Intelligence Co-pilot capabilities will be belong to 6th gen NGAD that is to succeed the F-22


Nobody said that Turkiye chose higher technology than USA
Our guys said that we chose higher technology than current F-22

while Turkiye' capability to materialize KAAN as promoted by TAI's GM is still in question.

as like 3 years ago when same jokers said that Turkiye can not develop KAAN ?

 

[guangdongt]

I am very interested in the mirror coating of f22. Do you have more article links to introduce it? Thank you

You both obviously either can't read article or have bad reading comprehension.

The upgrade is not minimal but alot, some of them are mentioned in the article, some are not but it mention regarding the sharing and test bed technology for NGAD.

The F-22 Is Finally Getting Some Much Needed Upgrades

The new upgrades for the F-22 have been teased both in official Air Force artworks and FY23 budget. 25 years after it entered service in the U.S. Air

theaviationist.com

Why cherry picking in reading the article?

The article says some of these upgrades were unveiled last week in the Fiscal Year 23 Budget request documentation and in an official artwork shared by Gen. Mark Kelly, the Commander of Air Combat Command, in a post about the 15th anniversary of the approval of the first F-22 flight demonstration.



You are a bad reader obviously due to cherry picking on what you want to read.

Excerpt from the article for you:

The F-22 Program Office is seeking novel hardware and software solutions that provide long-range infrared sensing and object detection capabilities.

• IRST
• F-35’s Electro Optical Targeting System (EOTS)
• cyber intrusion detection and prevention,
• predictive maintenance,
• synthetic data generation,
• sensor fusion,
• improved sensing (radar),
• manned-unmanned teaming,
• pilot-assisted autonomy,
• alternative navigation to GPS,
• Scorpion Helmet-Mounted Display (HMD),
• Red Air threat replication application,
• optimized intercept,
• real-time debriefing (basic fighter maneuvers), and combat identification.
• Low Drag Tank and Pylon (LDTP)
• new unknown air-to-air missile
• mirror-like coating

So you see, many of the mentioned features are non existent in the future KAAN, such as: mirror like coating, LDTP, cyber LDTP, etc.
The FY23 documents link the F-22’s upgrades to the development of the NGAD

So it is hilarious to see you are doubting AI capabilities in the upgraded F-22 as you are doubting US - the leader in AI technology - to be able to incorporate AI into F-22




As the article said: that mirror coating is feature in the upgraded F-22; could be test bed on the existing modified F-22.

The upgrade will include some technology in NGAD.

Here is what the documents say:
The F-22 program attempts to maximize efficiency by utilizing technology transfer both to the Next Generation Air Dominance (NGAD) portfolio, and from the NGAD portfolio based on emerging threats, AF priorities, and development pipeline capacity. Incorporating NGAD developed technologies will include developing, integrating, and testing capabilities on the F-22 weapon system.”

The F-22 Is Finally Getting Some Much Needed Upgrades

The new upgrades for the F-22 have been teased both in official Air Force artworks and FY23 budget. 25 years after it entered service in the U.S. Air

theaviationist.com

 

[hyperman]

Why should I compare existing F-22 with hypothetical KAAN? LOL.

B/c the whole point of the statement was on KAAN having things that presumably the current F-22 in service doesn't have.

Why are you comparing it to a NGAD testbed F-22? its not meant to go onto in service F-22s, which will be retired.

 

[hyperman]

So the KAAN more advanced than F-22/F-35 is the more hypothetical one.

KAAN as projected when in service, will have more capabilities than current F-22s in service, this was what that quote meant, why is it difficult to understand?

 

[hyperman]

US has technology needed to upgrade F-22

Why are you creating a strawman? technically the US has the capability to add NGAD and system of systems tech and sensors onto a F-16, so a statement saying the KAAN is going to have things the F-16 doesn't or its better than an F-16 will be incorrect?

You create strawmen as if the suggestion is somehow that Turkey has tech the US doesn't when this was never stated, but you are arguing as it this was the point made.

 

[hyperman]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1769804052815110438

TAI CEO Temel Kotil;

KAAN Ejection Seat„KAAN's ejection seat will finish development before 2028. Tusaş/TAI makes the ejection seat.“