Turkey Greece Relations and Maritime Disputes

[Foinikas]

In 1821-1823, there was a war between the Ottoman Empire and Iran
then Greeks rebelled against the Ottoman Empire in 1821

Greeks had tried to rebel sporadically many times in the previous centuries,but 1821 wasn't because the Sultan was busy fighting Iran or whatever,Greeks had been preparing for a long time to coordinate a rebellion simultaneously from the south and from the north. Meaning from the Peloponnese and central Greece and Moldowallachia(present day Romania)at the same time.

and Russia+France+The UK together attacked on the Ottoman Empire between 1821 and 1829

Wrong,the British,French and Russians intervened late in the war,as Metternich had them all sign a pact to not support any insurrections in Europe,for fear of something similar to the French Revolution come again. That's why initially they were all against the Greek uprisings and only slowly,as the geopolitical landscape as well as popular opinion in Europe demanded action to save protect the Greeks,only then did these three major powers get involved in the conflict. By then,Ibrahim's combined Turco-Egyptian forces were already in southern Greece and threatening to suppress the revolution.

Or who are the Greeks to fight the Turks one-on-one?
Greeks have never been able to fight against the Turks one-on-one in history.

It depends what you mean. If you mean in battles,Greeks have won numerous numerous battles against Turks one-on-one.

If you mean wars,the problem was by the time Ottomans were formed,the Byzantine Empire was fractured and getting weaker by civil wars and various invasions. So,by the time you conquered all of Rum,you were a powerful empire. And when we started the war for independence,you were still a huge empire,that's why all the once-mighty nations of the Balkans united against you: Greeks,Serbs,Bulgarians,Romanians.

If you really are itching,I could spam a few dozen screenshots to show you battles you lost against Greeks one-on-one.

 

[MMM-E]

The Turks have always fought alone against Europe and Russia for centuries, also wars with Iran from another side and whenever Turks weakened, the Greeks revolted.


Even Russians could not fight the Turks one on one during many wars


1 -- TURKS fought in 6 fronts against
Germans,İtalians,Spaniards,Russians,Poles,Hungarians between 1683 and 1699

2 -- TURKS fought İtalians+Germans at the same time between 1714 and 1718
1714–1718 Ottoman–Venetian War
1716–1718 Austro–Turkish War

3 -- TURKS fought Russians+Germans at the same time between 1735 and 1739
1735–1739 Russo-Turkish War
1737–1739 Austro-Turkish War

4-- TURKS fought Russians+Germans at the same time between 1787 and 1792
1787–1791 Austro-Turkish War
1787–1792 Russo-Turkish War

5-- TURKS fought Russians+British at the same time between 1806 and 1812
1806–1812 Russo-Turkish War
1807–1809 Anglo-Turkish War

6-- TURKS fought Russians+British+French+İran between 1821 and 1829
1821–1823 Ottoman–İran War
1821-1829 Greeks rebelled against the Ottoman Empire
1827 British+French+Russian alliance together attacked on Ottoman Navy ( Battle of Navarino )
1828–1829 Russo-Turkish War

7-- 257.000 Turks fought against 759.000 Russians + 200.000 Serbs,Bulgars,Romanians between 1787-88

1877–1878 Russo-Turkish War
1877–1878 Second Serbian–Ottoman War
1878 Kumanovo uprising
1878 Epirus Revolt
1878 Macedonian Revolution
1878 Cretan Revolt
1878 Austro-Hungarian occupation of Bosnia and Herzegovina
1878–1879 Kresna–Razlog Uprising


8-- WW1 1915-1918
TURKS beat British+French+Anzacs in the Gallipoli Campaign
TURKS beat Russians+Armenians in the Caucasian Campaign and Ottoman Army captured Caucasia also part of İran

TURKS lost only in Palestine-Sinai Campaign ... because of some traitor Arabs and 269.783 Ottoman troops fought against 432.857 British+French+İtalians

 

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The Greeks never had the cability to fight the Turks. That is why we conquered all of Anatolia, including Istanbul, and ruled Greece for nearly 400 years

Whole Balkans and Egypt too
Syria , Iraq , Libya and total of 40+ Countries

Centuries of war with Europe, Russia, and Iran severely weakened the Ottoman Empire economically, militarily, and demographically

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In 1927, Turkiye had nearly twice the population of Greece- 13 million vs. 7 million. But over the next decades, Turkiye's population skyrocketed, while Greece's growth slowed considerably

1927 : 2 x Greece = 1 Turkiye
2020s : 8 x Greece = 1 Turkiye


as like Economy

2001 : 1,5 x Greece = 1 Turkiye ... ( Turkiye $201 billion .... Greece $132 billion )
2026 : 5 x Greece = 1 Turkiye ... ( Turkiye $1,57 trillion .... Greece $304 billion )

 

[Foinikas]

The Greeks never had the cability to fight the Turks. That is why we conquered all of Anatolia, including Istanbul, and ruled Greece for nearly 400 years

What is this after-midnight nationalistic rant again? If you want include the Seljuks,our empire was fighting on many fronts when they arrived in Asia Minor and during the confrontation,the emperor was betrayed and masses of units left the battlefield,while others retreated in the confusion.

You sit down and type a long list(you love long lists,don't you)of wars that Turkey supposedly never fought against one country. Should I nag too that when the Seljuks and Ottomans attacked us we were always fighting on many fronts in the west,north and having to deal with rogue generals and governors?

1000 years of history,the empire fought Avars,Persians,Alans,Arabs,Bulgarians, Cumans,Pechenegs,Rus,Magyars,Serbs,Normans,Crusader westerners...but you come and say "Oooh you could never fight against the Turks".

We were a shadow of our former self even the Ottomans appeared,fighting here and there,barely holding what we had recovered in after 1270,yet you come and excuse Turkey every time with "Turkey always fight against many countries at the same time".

As for the rest of your post,I really don't understand what your point is posting all that. You want to tell us that Turks have more kids and the population is bigger because you had a lot of kids? Every post of yours ends with something about Turkey being better in whatever.

 

[Desert]

I personally would love to see the Ottoman empire again

 

[Foinikas]

I personally would love to see the Ottoman empire again

Of course you would,darling. You long to be a servant again.

 

[MMM-E]

The most lunatic People on Earth which can not produce even a wheel but still trying to match with the Turks which have 8 times more population and 5 times bigger economy with advanced defense industry and 1.000+ km strategic depth for self defense

1000 years of history,the empire fought Avars,Persians,Alans,Arabs,Bulgarians, Cumans,Pechenegs,Rus,Magyars,Serbs,Normans,Crusader westerners...but you come and say "Oooh you could never fight against the Turks".

I am talking about Germans , French , British , Spaniards , Italians , Russians , Iran
Turks fought all of them for centuries

Greeks never could fight against them ... Greeks were servant of big powers

The Big Powers were the Ottoman Empire , Russian Empire , British Empire , Holy Roman Empire , Spanish Empire , France

 

[Desert]

Of course you would,darling. You long to be a servant again.

we were never servants but it's ok , u can say whatever u want , it's a free world , isn't it?

 

[MMM-E]

we were never servants but it's ok , u can say whatever u want , it's a free world , isn't it?

Egypt was great power under Turkish rule from MAMLUKS to OTTOMAN EMPIRE

-- BAIBARS KHAN was Turkic origin Sultan of Egypt in the Mamluk Bahri dynasty
He was Commander of the MAMLUK forces that inflicted a defeat on the 7th Crusade of King Louis IX of France

-- BAIBARS KHAN also led the vanguard of the MAMLUK forces at the Battle of Ain Jalut in 1260 which marked the first substantial defeat of the Mongol army and is considered a turning point in history


NAPOLEON's first defeat
Most commonly cited as his first major failure / strategic defeat 1799
The Siege of Acre, (Ottoman territory in Palestine/Syria).

Jezzar Ahmed Pasha began a military career in Egypt in the service of Mamluk officials


Also SALADIN was sent to Egypt by the Zengid dynasty (Turkish origins, rooted in the Seljuk atabeg system) within the Turkish-led Zengid Military to fight Crusaders

 

[Desert]

Egypt was great power under Turkish rule from MAMLUKS to OTTOMAN EMPIRE

-- BAIBARS KHAN was Turkic origin Sultan of Egypt in the Mamluk Bahri dynasty
He was Commander of the MAMLUK forces that inflicted a defeat on the 7th Crusade of King Louis IX of France

-- BAIBARS KHAN also led the vanguard of the MAMLUK forces at the Battle of Ain Jalut in 1260 which marked the first substantial defeat of the Mongol army and is considered a turning point in history


NAPOLEON's first defeat
Most commonly cited as his first major failure / strategic defeat 1799
The Siege of Acre, (Ottoman territory in Palestine/Syria).

Jezzar Ahmed Pasha began a military career in Egypt in the service of Mamluk officials


Also SALADIN was sent to Egypt by the Zengid dynasty (Turkish origins, rooted in the Seljuk atabeg system) within the Turkish-led Zengid Military to fight Crusaders

Correct, All the best wishes for Turkey.

 

[Foinikas]

Egypt was great power under Turkish rule from MAMLUKS to OTTOMAN EMPIRE

-- BAIBARS KHAN was Turkic origin Sultan of Egypt in the Mamluk Bahri dynasty
He was Commander of the MAMLUK forces that inflicted a defeat on the 7th Crusade of King Louis IX of France

-- BAIBARS KHAN also led the vanguard of the MAMLUK forces at the Battle of Ain Jalut in 1260 which marked the first substantial defeat of the Mongol army and is considered a turning point in history


NAPOLEON's first defeat
Most commonly cited as his first major failure / strategic defeat 1799
The Siege of Acre, (Ottoman territory in Palestine/Syria).

Jezzar Ahmed Pasha began a military career in Egypt in the service of Mamluk officials


Also SALADIN was sent to Egypt by the Zengid dynasty (Turkish origins, rooted in the Seljuk atabeg system) within the Turkish-led Zengid Military to fight Crusaders

What the heck do Mamluks have to do with modern Turkey Enough with this irrelevant nonsense

 

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Greece Approves €4 Billion Defense Overhaul with Israeli Systems

The air defense system to be deployed in Samothrace, against whom? Against whom? It's blatant; against Türkiye...

What do the Greeks really think is going to happen ?

Crete , Skyros , Karpathos, Limnos and now Samothrace hosts AD Systems like S300 , PATRIOT , TOR-M1

Also , Greece has plans to deploy Israeli-made Barak MX and DAVID's SLING to the Aegean islands as part of its general air defense network project Achilles Shield



-- Even 70-120 km TRG-230 and TRG-300 MLRS can hit all Air Defense Systems in Limnos , Karpathos and Samothrace

-- 200 km KEMANKES-2 and 500 km SIMSEK-K kamikaze Drones can hit all Air Defense Systems in Crete and Skyros


Guided munitions to fire from Land platforms to hit AD Systems
60 km ALPAGUT
70 km TRG-230
80 km DELI
100 km EREN
120 km TRG-300
150 km GOKTAN
150 km CAKIR
150 km KUZGUN-TJ
200 km KEMANKES-2
500 km SIMSEK-K

also 165 km ATACMS and J600T tactical Ballistic Missiles

a ) Only 1.000 of them will be enough to destroy all Air Defense Systems in Crete , Skyros , Karpathos, Limnos and Samothrace

b ) PATRIOT AD Systems in Athens and Thessaloniki can be destroyed by long range Ballistic -Cruise Missiles and kamikaze Drones
-- 360 km BORA
-- 280 km SOM
-- 280 km SLAM-ER
-- 400 km ATMACA-UM
-- 560 km TAYFUN
-- 500 km 300-ER
-- 500 km SIMSEK-K
-- 900 km SUPER SIMSEK

c - ) Upcoming long range Ballistic - Cruise Missiles and kamikaze Drones to destroy all defenseless Air Bases including Fighter Jets on the ground or jet hangars
-- 400+ km ATMACA-UM
-- 500 km SIMSEK-K
-- 500+ km 300-ER
-- 560+ km TAYFUN Block1
-- 900 km SUPER SIMSEK
-- 1.000 km GEZGIN
-- 1.000+ km TAYFUN Block4
-- 2000 km CENK
-- 2000 km K-2

armed with GAZAP thermobaric warhead

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There is no need to use Warships - unmanned combat Vessels
There is no need to use F-16 Fighter Jets with HARM and AKBABA anti-radiation Missiles

Land-based Systems and UCAVs ( AKINCI , AKSUNGUR , ANKA-3 , KIZILELMA ) will be enough to do it

There were no Turkish missiles during the 1996 crisis
now , there are many types of Turkish Ballistic - Cruise Missiles and kamikaze Drones

It is almost impossible for Greece to win a war against Turkiye

hyperman​

 

[BonPlan]

What do the Greeks really think is going to happen ?

Crete , Skyros , Karpathos, Limnos and now Samothrace hosts AD Systems like S300 , PATRIOT , TOR-M1

Also , Greece has plans to deploy Israeli-made Barak MX and DAVID's SLING to the Aegean islands as part of its general air defense network project Achilles Shield
View attachment 186543


-- Even 70-120 km TRG-230 and TRG-300 MLRS can hit all Air Defense Systems in Limnos , Karpathos and Samothrace

-- 200 km KEMANKES-2 and 500 km SIMSEK-K kamikaze Drones can hit all Air Defense Systems in Crete and Skyros


Guided munitions to fire from Land platforms to hit AD Systems
60 km ALPAGUT
70 km TRG-230
80 km DELI
100 km EREN
120 km TRG-300
150 km GOKTAN
150 km CAKIR
150 km KUZGUN-TJ
200 km KEMANKES-2
500 km SIMSEK-K

also 165 km ATACMS and J600T tactical Ballistic Missiles

a ) Only 1.000 of them will be enough to destroy all Air Defense Systems in Crete , Skyros , Karpathos, Limnos and Samothrace

b ) PATRIOT AD Systems in Athens and Thessaloniki can be destroyed by long range Ballistic -Cruise Missiles and kamikaze Drones
-- 360 km BORA
-- 280 km SOM
-- 280 km SLAM-ER
-- 400 km ATMACA-UM
-- 560 km TAYFUN
-- 500 km 300-ER
-- 500 km SIMSEK-K
-- 900 km SUPER SIMSEK

c - ) Upcoming long range Ballistic - Cruise Missiles and kamikaze Drones to destroy all defenseless Air Bases including Fighter Jets on the ground or jet hangars
-- 400+ km ATMACA-UM
-- 500 km SIMSEK-K
-- 500+ km 300-ER
-- 560+ km TAYFUN Block1
-- 900 km SUPER SIMSEK
-- 1.000 km GEZGIN
-- 1.000+ km TAYFUN Block4
-- 2000 km CENK
-- 2000 km K-2

armed with GAZAP thermobaric warhead

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There is no need to use Warships - unmanned combat Vessels
There is no need to use F-16 Fighter Jets with HARM and AKBABA anti-radiation Missiles

Land-based Systems and UCAVs ( AKINCI , AKSUNGUR , ANKA-3 , KIZILELMA ) will be enough to do it

There were no Turkish missiles during the 1996 crisis
now , there are many types of Turkish Ballistic - Cruise Missiles and kamikaze Drones

It is almost impossible for Greece to win a war against Turkiye

hyperman​

Stop always answering with the whole catalog of the turkish magic weapons.
In case of a conflict all the western members of NATO will take the Greek side.
You are in NATO only because you are a lock against russia in the black sea... nothing more.

 

[Anatolia]

Stop always answering with the whole catalog of the turkish magic weapons.
In case of a conflict all the western members of NATO will take the Greek side.
You are in NATO only because you are a lock against russia in the black sea... nothing more.

Tomorrow we could bomb Greece into dust. and the world is doing nothing about it.
The Europeans care very little for Greece. Just like in Cyprus.
And I doubt you're even French

 

[MMM-E]

Stop always answering with the whole catalog of the turkish magic weapons.
In case of a conflict all the western members of NATO will take the Greek side.
You are in NATO only because you are a lock against russia in the black sea... nothing more.

Maybe only France
and France can not change anything

TRUMP complains. , because NATO doesnt help Israel against Iran
and Daydreamers says all NATO will take the Greek side against a NATO member Turkiye ... nice dream

Germany , Spain , Poland , Hungary , The UK , Italy , Baltic Countries are with Turkiye
and They needs Turkiye against Russian threat