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[hyperman]

Rafale was hit from 50-60Km range not 200km.

What is your source for this?

I have literally never read the 50-60km range cited anywhere.

Every assessment I have heard, including that given in the debrief by the Pakistani Air Chief cited a BVR kill using the PL-15 with the J-10Cs radars turned off and with the AWACS guiding the missile with a mid course update.

As well as assessments from Indians that they misjudged the range of the Pl-15, and then made adjustments the next day.

 

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TUSAŞ General Manager Demiroğlu

KAAN is not just an Aircraft, it's an ecosystem project. One of the three prototypes will be used in static tests, and we aim for the other to begin flight testing this year.

KAAN is planned to be delivered to the Turkish Air Force in 2028, and we foresee exports starting after 2032 with the domestically produced engine.

ANKA-3 will be one of the leading players in the 6th generation combat concept.

It will be able to perform missions without being detected by enemy air defense systems. By performing missions together with KAAN, it will create a significant force multiplier in the airspace.

We aim to deliver ANKA-3 to our Air Force in 2026.

TUSAŞ announced that it aims to deliver 1500 platforms within the next 10 years

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ANKA-3 to join the Turkish Air Force in 2026


Tailless flying-wing (delta wing body) configuration that significantly reduces Radar Cross Section (RCS) from multiple angles

This allows better penetration of advanced Air Defense Systems (A2/AD environments)


ANKA-3 will be one of the leading players in the 6th gen combat concept.


MURAD-100 AESA Radar
TOYGUN E/O System
275 km SOM-J stealth Cruise Missile

even to carry 100+ km GOKDOGAN BVR air to air Missiles in internal weapon bays

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[MS Sandhu]

Pakistani Air Chief cited a BVR kill using the PL-15 with the J-10Cs radars turned off and with the AWACS guiding the missile with a mid course update.

Pakistani officials told us 3 Rafales were shot down and in 2019 , they shot down a Su-30mki also.
On other hand, Indians shot down F-16 with Mig 21 in 2019.
They shot down Eriye Awacs also with S400 missiles.
But where is the evidence?
These officials on both sides lie all the day.
Only Rafale that got hit was one crashed in Bathinda.
And Bathinda is only 70-80km away from Pakistan. So most educated guess is Rafale was shot down within 50-60km range envelop of Pl-15.Getting your plane shot down from 50-60km range is still a big blunder from IAF.
Israeli and American Pilots have shown that you can escape from even 10km ranged close SAM fires.


You can continue to believe those official numbers. I'll try to filter out the truth.

 

[hyperman]

Pakistani officials told us 3 Rafales were shot down and in 2019 , they shot down a Su-30mki also.
On other hand, Indians shot down F-16 with Mig 21 in 2019.
They shot down Eriye Awacs also with S400 missiles.
But where is the evidence?
These officials on both sides lie all the day.
Only Rafale that got hit was one crashed in Bathinda.
And Bathinda is only 70-80km away from Pakistan. So most educated guess is Rafale was shot down within 50-60km range envelop of Pl-15.Getting your plane shot down from 50-60km range is still a big blunder from IAF.
Israeli and American Pilots have shown that you can escape from even 10km ranged close SAM fires.


You can continue to believe those official numbers. I'll try to filter out the truth.

There was more than 1 rafale that was shot down. Why are you assuming that others weren't shot down at longer range.

The Indian source themselves said they underestimated the PL-15 range, and then made adjustments accordingly. They got shot down b/c they thought they were at a safe distance, and then got hit.

 

[Afif]

J-10C is not stealth platform like KIZILELMA
PL-15 Missile doesnt have ramjet engine and AESA seeker

Pl-15 is the second BVR weapon in the world to feature an AESA seeker after Japanese BVRM since 2017.

 

[Sinan]

Its a fair question. What platforms existed pre 2000s? Failure to account for a concerted state support policy to create incubation that created world class products.

The thesis that govt policy to support the defense industry was the same from the 70s-90s is silly, and that everything magically started getting built and products delivered in the late 2000s and 2010s, and it had nothing to do with policy. Its just flat out incorrect.

While Mehmed the second didn't had F-22 in the siege of Constantinople ?

You are talking like we had the industrial base, defense companies and know-how, but politicians prior to Erdogan choose not to produce.

It is not like that, it took time to accumulate all these things to reach maturity.

 

[Sinan]

we foresee exports starting after 2032 with the domestically produced engine.

Exports after 2032 with TF-35000.

WHile TEI says in 2032, integration on KAAN will start in 2032.

Turkish Aerospace eyes full development of local KAAN fighter jet engine by 2032 - Breaking Defense

KAAN flight tests currently feature General Electric's F110 turbofan engine, but Ankara has long prioritized a local alternative to reduce dependency on overseas suppliers.

breakingdefense.com

Not clear, imo. Since Integration tests will take a whie.

 

[hyperman]

While Mehmed the second didn't had F-22 in the siege of Constantinople ?

You are talking like we had the industrial base, defense companies and know-how, but politicians prior to Erdogan choose not to produce.

It is not like that, it took time to accumulate all these things to reach maturity.

They had decades, compare South Korea at the same time to Turkey.

Its neglect and lack on emphasis, because it was never part of a vision. They were content under the US umbrella, they never dreamed of being independent actors, so the motivation for independence and self reliance never really existed, and to pursue it as urgently as possible.

When did the Turkish Space program form?

When did money get poured into developing nuclear tech?

When did investment to create and produce Turkey's own car and car industry form?

Look what the Koreans were doing at the same time?

 

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Bayraktar Kızılelma PT5 pre-production unit​

 

[Sinan]

They had decades, compare South Korea at the same time to Turkey.

Its neglect and lack on emphasis, because it was never part of a vision. They were content under the US umbrella, they never dreamed of being independent actors, so the motivation for independence and self reliance never really existed, and to pursue it as urgently as possible.

When did the Turkish Space program form?

When did money get poured into developing nuclear tech?

When did investment to create and produce Turkey's own car and car industry form?

Look what the Koreans were doing at the same time?

You don't know the history of Turkey. Until the marshall aid we had no tractors. Even steel production started in 1940s, came to an acceptable capacity in the 70s. Turkey's economy was so shit in 90s that Özal was travelling to other countries begging money.

Koreans got masssive US aid and Japanese tech we got nothing.

After the independece war, Turkey was ravaged, there were even no roads, at the east of Ankara. We build the capacity over decades. When i was a kid my friends father was working on Tubitak Sage, they were working on Toros missiles but they always lacked funding. I mean vision doesn't let alone let's you do stuff, if you don't have the industry, know how and money altogether.

Let's say, Somalia got a very visionary President right now. Do you expect them to go to moon?

 

[hodor]

You don't know the history of Turkey. Until the marshall aid we had no tractors. Even steel production started in 1940s, came to an acceptable capacity in the 70s. Turkey's economy was so shit in 90s that Özal was travelling to other countries begging money.

Koreans got masssive US aid and Japanese tech we got nothing.

After the independece war, Turkey was ravaged, there were even no roads, at the east of Ankara. We build the capacity over decades. When i was a kid my friends father was working on Tubitak Sage, they were working on Toros missiles but they always lacked funding. I mean vision doesn't let alone let's you do stuff, if you don't have the industry, know how and money altogether.

Let's say, Somalia got a very visionary President right now. Do you expect them to go to moon?

Turkey’s early accession to NATO was a sign of strategic foresight. From 1950 to the present, we have avoided the risk of Russian occupation, and by maintaining good relations with the U.S., we were also able to establish defense industry institutions such as TAI and TEI.

Today, NATO appears to be on the verge of fragmentation, and we are now transitioning toward a more independent defense industry at just the right time.

 

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Let's say, Somalia got a very visionary President right now. Do you expect them to go to moon?

Turkiye had enough İndustry to produce Aircrfat in 1930s , 1940s
In the 1930s, Türkiye was among the few countries that produced Aircraft, and this was part of the industrialization drive during the ATATURK era



But , ISMET INONU blocked Turkish Aviation Industry
Instead of saying "Let's produce it ourselves" they said "America is giving it away for free, why should we spend money ?"

for example NURI DEMIRAG , THK canceled orders, exports were blocked, and court cases went against him. The factory was left without orders in 1944 and closed.

Economic and political choices led to the purchase of cheap and free Aircraft from America and France, instead of sustaining our own aviation industry

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Turkiye had enough Industry to produce its own Car brand but domestic Car projects were blocked in Türkiye. Especially the DEVRIM automobile (1961)

TOGG was produced thanks to President Erdogan's efforts.

The reason our defense industry has developed so much is again the result of ERDOGAN's support and political stability.

 

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Allegations that he was obstructed by bureaucrats and some military personnel have been explicitly stated by SELCUKand HALUK Bayraktar in multiple interviews

The same mentality that once obstructed Nuri Demirag in 1940s also tried to obstruct the Bayraktar family in 2000-2010s, but thanks to ERDOGAN's great support, today we are able to produce technologically advanced weapons like AKINCI UCAV and KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet

 

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Turkey's economy was so shit in 90s that Özal was travelling to other countries begging money.

Again thanks to great Leader ERDOGAN who increased Turkish economy from $210 billion to $1,57 trillion ... ( despite the judicial-military coup attempts and American attacks on Turkish economy between 2013-2018 )

before ERDOGAN , Our economy was 1.5 times larger than Greece's, is now 5 times larger as of 2026

MONEY = POWER

The scale of the development of over 1400 military projects has exceeded $100 billion.