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[BonPlan]

Dogfight and BVR combat

Eurofighter is better than F-16 in dogfight
also METEOR Missile+advanced AESA Radar+EW suite combined

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Furthermore, dependence on a single country poses a significant risk.

If the US doesn't provide F-16Vs / F-35s and imposes an embargo, we can supplement our fleet with Eurofighters from the UK

Greece
American F-16 - F-35
French RAFALE

Egypt
American F-16
French RAFALE
Russian MIG-29M2

S.Arabia
American F-15
European Typhoon

Qatar
American F-15
French RAFALE
European Typhoon

Turkiye
only American F-16s ... maybe also F-35A

also , others on the way
European Typhoon
Turkish KAAN

You forgot M2000 for Greece.

 

[BonPlan]

What does the Typhoon bring that Turkey doesn't already have? I can understand the imminent need for the F35, but the Typhoon? Can't see it offering anything above and beyond the Viper fleet.

Not to be too dependant of uncle Sam....
And the access to meteor, yet not integrated on F35.

 

[BonPlan]

The F-35 has no importance for Turkey. We are buying the F-35 because we want to reduce the pressure on the Kaan. Everyone is talking about the F-35, saying, 'If the Turks trusted the Kaan, they wouldn't buy the F-35.' That is what matters to us. Since the engine issue is also resolved, we can easily produce the Kaan, which will be a stealth version of the F-15

So why Erdogan was struggle hard since years to have it ?

 

[MMM-E]

You make my day.
immense advantage..... LOL

Wake me up when your jet fighter engine will be ready, circa 2045....

We dont need KAAN to kick RAFALE and F-16V


The modern air warfare is no longer "Fighter Jet against Fighter Jet," but "systems against systems."

When Turkiye combines its E-7T (Eye), KORAL/HAVA SOJ (Shield/Blinding), SIPER-2 (Long-Range Fist), and KIZILELMA (Ghost Hunter) elements with Link-16 and JREAP-C as a single brain, Greece's RAFALE no matter how technologically advanced, become isolated and prey

Greece-France only can dream about these technologies

 

[MMM-E]

KIZILELMA's entry into the game and the Low RCS (Ghost) Advantage


The RAFALE's delta wings-canards, and most importantly, the external munitions (METEOR, SCALP, etc.) and fuel tanks carried under its wings make it appear quite large on Radar ( 1-2 m² RCS).

In contrast, the KIZILELMA, thanks to its internal weapon bays and special fuselage geometry, has a truly "low observable" profile. Its radar signature is many times smaller than that of the RAFALE ( 0.3 m² RCS vs 1-2 m² RCS )


BVR (Beyond Visual Range) Advantage
In an air combat, the first to spot and fire wins. While the RAFALE's radar is under intense Turkish jamming (KORAL-200 and ASOJ-23A) and due to the KIZILELMA's low radar cross-section, RAFALE can only detect KIZILELMA at a very close distance of 40-50 km.

On the other hand, the KIZILELMA, using the Link-16 system from the E-7T behind it, obtains the RAFALE's precise position and, with its domestically produced AESA radar (MURAD), locks onto the RAFALE from a distance of 150 km


No need KAAN
No need F-16 OZGUR-2
No need Eurofighter

even KIZILELMA can beat the RAFALE and F-16V in BVR combat