US Perspective on the Iran - Israel / US War

Also, looks like I need to do some housekeeping.

Can't go away for even a day without someone going off the rails in some form.
 
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I read this and it reminds me of this meme.
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And you know about tactics and strategy? May I ask where did you served and which military academy taught you military science?

Do you even know why I said that escorting ships, as they did 3 days ago, is impossible? I will say I would debate you on the issue, but I seriously doubt you understand anything about operational limits and tactical/strategic envelopes.

Which means whatever I said would be a giant whooshing out of your head, I might as well go debate with my toilet, well, at least I can take a dump on it........
you facing the troll.............lol... they all command 4000 men on keyboard in battle of honor ...lolllll
 

Five shameless moments of Iran war opportunism & grifting​

War brings out the best — and worst — in Americans, especially in industry, Capitol Hill and Wall Street​

Reporting | Washington Politics
  1. washington politics
  2. iran-war

Stavroula Pabst
May 06, 2026


Trump's sons roll in the drone industry dough​

Powerus, a drone firm funded by President Trump’s sons, Eric Trump and Donald Trump, Jr., received an Air Force contract for an unspecified number of interceptor drones last week. Bloomberg reported last month that Powerus is also in talks with the United Arab Emirates about a potential sale of drones that can counter Iranian attacks.

In recent months, the Trump brothers have gone all out on defense tech, lining themselves up to profit from the wars their father is waging. Besides Powerus, Eric Trump has invested in Israeli attack drone firm and DoD contractor Xtend, whose drones have seen use in Iran, through a multimillion dollar contract with an unnamed Middle Eastern government. Donald Trump Jr., for his part, backs drone parts startup Unusual Machines and is also a partner at defense- and tech-oriented venture capital (VC) firm 1789 Capital.

Keith Kellogg, Trump’s former special envoy to Ukraine, also joined Powerus as an advisor last month, mere months after leaving his diplomatic post — likewise positioning himself to cash in on his time in government.
 
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Lockheed Martin CEO: wartime Trump Pentagon a "golden opportunity"

Late last month, Lockheed Martin CEO Jim Taiclet lavished praise on the Trump administration for rolling out the red carpet to the defense industry.

“This is a golden opportunity right now based on who’s in government,” Taiclet told investors during an earnings call. He cited in particular officials’ “willingness to change” and “the demand that they have for what we do and what our partners in our industry do.”

That “demand” of course is war, and the administration has pretty much been in it since Trump’s 2025 inauguration, from supporting Israel in its Gaza and Lebanon operations, firefights with the Houthis, and now Iran. Lockheed has signed billions in contracts with the Pentagon since the beginning of the year, mostly to replenish missiles. Lockheed Martin also has an agreement with the Pentagon to quadruple its production of THAAD interceptors by 2027.

And the U.S. has used many of them both. As the Center for Strategic and International Studies found late last month, the U.S. has burned up over 45% of its Precision Strike Missiles (PrSMs) and roughly half of its THAAD and Patriot missile defense interceptors.

To refill these stocks, the U.S. is mulling a possible Iran war supplemental package — slated to cost an estimated $80 to $100 billion — to replace lost munitions and other military equipment. According to Mike Fredenburg in his reporting for RS in 2024, the U.S. pays way too much for each missile, a lot more than it should for say, a SM-2 missile ($1.2 million-$2 million a piece) or SM-6 (upwards of $5 million each), but since there are only a handful of prime contractors in the business, they can charge whatever they want.

As Stephen Semler, journalist and co-founder of the Security Policy Reform Institute, tells RS, “The interceptor shortage will be addressed in the military-industrial-congressional complex's favorite way: throw money at the problem.”


Defense-contractor funded think tanker: Iran war is a bargain!​

Last week, the Pentagon estimated that the Iran war has cost about $25 billion. Matthew Kroenig, a senior director at the defense contractor-funded Atlantic Council, called the low-ball price tag a “very good value.”

“The entire U.S. defense budget is roughly $1 trillion and designed to deal with China, Russia, North Korea, and Iran,” Kroenig wrote on X. “It only cost 2.5% of the annual defense budget to seriously degrade one of the four.”

But others have to pay for Kroenig’s bargain.

"I'm sure the farmers, trucking companies, and other small businesses that are going belly up because of soaring gas prices won't be surprised to hear that a war industry funded think tank believes the Iran war is a ‘very good value,’” Ben Freeman, director of the Democratizing Foreign Policy program at the Quincy Institute, told RS.

The total cost of the Iran war has been a point of contention. Critics challenged the Pentagon’s $25 billion estimate; U.S. officials have since told CBS the conflict has cost around $50 billion. Last month, Harvard economist Linda Bilmes predicted taxpayers will pay at least $1 trillion for it in the long term. And none of these estimates include the broader impact of the war on the global economy.

According to the Quincy Institute’s Think Tank Funding Tracker, the Atlantic Council has received nearly $13 million from Pentagon contractors since 2019.
 
Lockheed Martin CEO: wartime Trump Pentagon a "golden opportunity"

Late last month, Lockheed Martin CEO Jim Taiclet lavished praise on the Trump administration for rolling out the red carpet to the defense industry.

“This is a golden opportunity right now based on who’s in government,” Taiclet told investors during an earnings call. He cited in particular officials’ “willingness to change” and “the demand that they have for what we do and what our partners in our industry do.”

That “demand” of course is war, and the administration has pretty much been in it since Trump’s 2025 inauguration, from supporting Israel in its Gaza and Lebanon operations, firefights with the Houthis, and now Iran. Lockheed has signed billions in contracts with the Pentagon since the beginning of the year, mostly to replenish missiles. Lockheed Martin also has an agreement with the Pentagon to quadruple its production of THAAD interceptors by 2027.

And the U.S. has used many of them both. As the Center for Strategic and International Studies found late last month, the U.S. has burned up over 45% of its Precision Strike Missiles (PrSMs) and roughly half of its THAAD and Patriot missile defense interceptors.

To refill these stocks, the U.S. is mulling a possible Iran war supplemental package — slated to cost an estimated $80 to $100 billion — to replace lost munitions and other military equipment. According to Mike Fredenburg in his reporting for RS in 2024, the U.S. pays way too much for each missile, a lot more than it should for say, a SM-2 missile ($1.2 million-$2 million a piece) or SM-6 (upwards of $5 million each), but since there are only a handful of prime contractors in the business, they can charge whatever they want.

As Stephen Semler, journalist and co-founder of the Security Policy Reform Institute, tells RS, “The interceptor shortage will be addressed in the military-industrial-congressional complex's favorite way: throw money at the problem.”


Defense-contractor funded think tanker: Iran war is a bargain!​

Last week, the Pentagon estimated that the Iran war has cost about $25 billion. Matthew Kroenig, a senior director at the defense contractor-funded Atlantic Council, called the low-ball price tag a “very good value.”

“The entire U.S. defense budget is roughly $1 trillion and designed to deal with China, Russia, North Korea, and Iran,” Kroenig wrote on X. “It only cost 2.5% of the annual defense budget to seriously degrade one of the four.”

But others have to pay for Kroenig’s bargain.

"I'm sure the farmers, trucking companies, and other small businesses that are going belly up because of soaring gas prices won't be surprised to hear that a war industry funded think tank believes the Iran war is a ‘very good value,’” Ben Freeman, director of the Democratizing Foreign Policy program at the Quincy Institute, told RS.

The total cost of the Iran war has been a point of contention. Critics challenged the Pentagon’s $25 billion estimate; U.S. officials have since told CBS the conflict has cost around $50 billion. Last month, Harvard economist Linda Bilmes predicted taxpayers will pay at least $1 trillion for it in the long term. And none of these estimates include the broader impact of the war on the global economy.

According to the Quincy Institute’s Think Tank Funding Tracker, the Atlantic Council has received nearly $13 million from Pentagon contractors since 2019.
Of course. Now, follow the money. See how many in Congress are profiting from this as well.

In the meantime, in my area, price of gasoline is up again.
 
you facing the troll.............lol... they all command 4000 men on keyboard in battle of honor ...lolllll
Well, not that I have an issue with him personally, the issue I had here is I wasn't even talking with him, yet he (assuming it's a he) interjects and says, "If I served in the US Armed Forces, then he had little hope of success."

Saying that is perfectly fine, if you elaborate, why? Otherwise, I can just say anything, and that will be it. I have no problem with people telling me in my face that I was wrong; you need to explain why or where I was wrong, then we can discuss the issue. This "I said you are wrong because you are" is getting old fast.

I am not a fan of Iran or Iranian regime, but that does not mean I have to see this mission is anything but a giant waste of time, money and personnel.
 
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What people do not understand or realise is that the US does not just need to move all the ships currently inside the Persian Gulf out of the Strait of Hormuz and into the Arabian Sea to free them, but they also need to be able to make ships that are willing and able to go into the strait to pick up the oil and leave again and then come back for a third, fourth trips and so on. Just getting those ships currently stuck in the Gulf is not going to solve the oil price issue, and Iran knows the US isn't going to pick up that game without an international coalition.

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Overall, I agree with you that the US cannot free the stranded ships AND must also somehow ensure future transits are safe like before. I suspect the Chiefs already told Trump that. But I also suspect that Stump want to show that if the US can free up a few ships, for now, that will induce Iran to (re)negotiate the terms of surrender. I know that the word 'surrender' will trigger some temperaments -- do not care.
 
I am not a fan of Iran or Iranian regime, but that does not mean I have to see this mission is anything but a giant waste of time, money and personnel.
I disagree. At the least, the US demonstrated military capabilities that so far have been confined to the testing regime. Couple of new examples are the ODIN and HELIOS defensive laser systems. The F-35 moved from being the butt of jokes to making jokes out of contested airspaces. The A-10 got another reprieve. Precision bombs got more precise.
 
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Overall, I agree with you that the US cannot free the stranded ships AND must also somehow ensure future transits are safe like before. I suspect the Chiefs already told Trump that. But I also suspect that Stump want to show that if the US can free up a few ships, for now, that will induce Iran to (re)negotiate the terms of surrender. I know that the word 'surrender' will trigger some temperaments -- do not care.
You are not going to be able to do that with a few ships, 7 ships they are using now to try to contain the gulf, you need to have 2 to 3 rotations, that's 21 ships at least if this is possible to just use 7.

And they have to do it day in and day out, and expand their ammo if they get attacked. And once they're all gone, your entire group has to retire to either Diego Garcia or Djibouti, and it's gonna take months to be rearmed

It would be a miracle if we could do it for a month, and again, it does not help anything in the Gulf other than pulling 2 ship out......There is a reason why Trump himself stopped Operation Freedom.
 
I disagree. At the least, the US demonstrated military capabilities that so far have been confined to the testing regime. Couple of new examples are the ODIN and HELIOS defensive laser systems. The F-35 moved from being the butt of jokes to making jokes out of contested airspaces. The A-10 got another reprieve. Precision bombs got more precise.
Well, unless you are in charge of the MIC and you get a share of their profit, that's not the matter for you. I mean, how are you personally gaining from F-35 being used "brilliantly," and A-10 got reprieved?

I don't care about LM being able to sell more F-35 because of their performance in the Gulf, I don't care about Boeing being able to renew A-10 interest because of the strike. You want to know what I care about? Putting gas in my car, buying beef from Kroger, Dude, even he touted gas now $95 a barrel, and we are the number 1 oil exporter in the world, I don't see a single cent being paid to me. So, tell me what I get for Precision bomb being more precise?

I am not aware US had become North Korea, when it is good for the country, it has to be good for you, I had 5 relative lost their job in the last 4 months, and 14 lost their job since Jan 2026 (4 of them working in our factory in California), you may need to sell the F-35, A-10 and Paveway to them, not me. And the more this is going on, I don't just need to cut my workers in California, I would have to close the factory. And that's 70 people gone. You may need to sell it to them, not me; I don't live in the US anymore. I mean, that's just some sacrifice, wasn't it? telling them they lost their job because we don't want Iran to have nuclear weapons.......
 
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Overall, I agree with you that the US cannot free the stranded ships AND must also somehow ensure future transits are safe like before. I suspect the Chiefs already told Trump that. But I also suspect that Stump want to show that if the US can free up a few ships, for now, that will induce Iran to (re)negotiate the terms of surrender. I know that the word 'surrender' will trigger some temperaments -- do not care.
do you really think they'd bother explaining military details to Trump? based on that NYT report Dan Caine had every chance to talk Trump out of launching this war but chose not to!
 

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