Why Iran never retaliates

[Persian Gulf]

Israel has offered mainstream Fatah group in early 2000s pretty much that - whole of Gaza, 95% of West Bank with status of Jerusalem up for negotiations. the offer won't apply for groups like the Hamas for good reason

this is not true. Israel 'offered' bantustans in the West Bank divided by Israeli settlements and controlled by Israel and they offered the Palestinians virtually none of East Jerusalem

 

[Garcia Sea]

Gaddafi, who surrendered to the US, disarmed, accepted inspections, and even signed a non-aggression pact with Italy, a major NATO member, could not avoid war.
What happened to Hussein, who capitulated to the US in the Gulf War?
What happened to Syria, which made peace with the West after the Gulf War?
There is no example of a war that was avoided because of a low profile.
Happily for Iran, the US was busy invading other countries.
But this ironically may have led to the misconception that by keeping a low profile, an attack from the enemy could be avoided.
It is probably too optimistic to think that the West, which even fires missiles at the Russian mainland through proxies, will refrain from attacking Iran indefinitely.
Iran's security is seriously threatened unless it can at least be convinced that it is a formidable opponent worthy of negotiation.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Gaddafi, who surrendered to the US, disarmed, accepted inspections, and even signed a non-aggression pact with Italy, a major NATO member, could not avoid war.
What happened to Hussein, who capitulated to the US in the Gulf War?
What happened to Syria, which made peace with the West after the Gulf War?
There is no example of a war that was avoided because of a low profile.
Happily for Iran, the US was busy invading other countries.
But this ironically may have led to the misconception that by keeping a low profile, an attack from the enemy could be avoided.
It is probably too optimistic to think that the West, which even fires missiles at the Russian mainland through proxies, will refrain from attacking Iran indefinitely.
Iran's security is seriously threatened unless it can at least be convinced that it is a formidable opponent worthy of negotiation.

there was a period of time where the US had a massive military presence/occupation on either side of the Iranian borders (Iraq and Afghanistan). how Iran escaped being attacked at that time (with US neocons dominating US politics) is a miracle

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Iran survived the Iraq-Iraq conflict which was an actual war

A foreign nation parking 3,000 troops near your shore is not war

Compared to that now Iran has catalog of Strategic weapons

• Anti Ship missiles
• Anti Aircraft missiles
• Anti Aircraft guns
• Foreign SAMs
• Locally produced SAMs
• Advance radars
• UAV program
• Stealth program
• Heck even "Space Program"
• Unlimited supply of Conventional bombs

 

[indushek]

I am starting to believe that there is some backdoor deals between US and Iran, that's why Iran rat's out these leaders, once the top leadership of Hamas and Hezbullah are dead Iran will bring new leaders and the cycle continue, with every attack by these resistance group Israel will kill more civilians and make their life hell ultimately forcing people to just leave the Palestine. And Arabs who are right now living a luxurious life style are nothing but bidding their time sooner or later the flames of war will reach their capitals and by then it will be too late, Israel's recent pager attacks showed how easily it is for them to rig a tiny device turning into a lethal weapon, imagine what will happen to the Arab leaders if they ever dare to go against the will of their masters.

Not sure about US and Iran deal, as Trump poured water over it:

However Iran has internal fissures possibly, and some faction either from IRGC or some Intel agency might be giving Humint to Mossad. Some really pinpointed attacks on IRGC commanders, and then Hizb or Hamas (one right in Iran) commanders points to this possibility.

So there is some sort of info leak that is aiding Israel and most possibly its coming from Iran (other than the groups themselves being infiltrated) , as they are the ones with full info on all these groups.

 

[Immortals]

there was a period of time where the US had a massive military presence/occupation on either side of the Iranian borders (Iraq and Afghanistan). how Iran escaped being attacked at that time (with US neocons dominating US politics) is a miracle

I will tell you how Iran escaped: 2007 Global Recession.

The world entered the worst economic recession in 100 years and war was off the table.Obama was then elected and he wanted to normalize relations. That kept Iran safe till 2016.

 

[Persian Gulf]

I will tell you how Iran escaped: 2007 Global Recession.

The world entered the worst economic recession in 100 years and war was off the table.Obama was then elected and he wanted to normalize relations. That kept Iran safe till 2016.

Afghan invasion/occupation started from 2000, Iraq war/invasion started from 2003. They had plenty of time before 2007

 

[mulj]

apparently from wisdom reasons although do not see any in it within logic of war.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1840673665685274903

 

[Immortals]

Afghan invasion/occupation started from 2000, Iraq war/invasion started from 2003. They had plenty of time before 2007

Iran created a quagmire in Iraq using Shiite miltias (ie Mehdi Army and other groups) which bogged down the US in an insurgency.

The public also lost all trust in the government after the claimed Iraqi WMDs turned out to be a dud.

Thus US didn’t have the manpower nor the public support for a war with Iran at the time.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Iran created a quagmire in Iraq using Shiite miltias (ie Mehdi Army and other groups) which bogged down the US in an insurgency.

The public also lost all trust in the government after the claimed Iraqi WMDs turned out to be a dud.

Thus US didn’t have the manpower nor the public support for a war with Iran at the time.

Iran also escaped Israeli bombing of its nuclear facilities many times pre-2012 but each time the Israeli cabinet decided against it.

History could have been very different.

 

[mulj]

basically capitulation in this statement.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1840678421619200150

 

[Garcia Sea]

It is unbelievable that at any price you would make such a statement at this time.
I know that many here do not like criticism of reformers, but still, isn't this an act tantamount to a quicksand betrayal?

 

[Tamerlane]

It seems like Iran’s refusal to jump into war is frustrating a lot of people, both the Anglo-Zionists who want an excuse to attack Iran and pro-Palestinians who want to punish the Zionists.

The Anglo-Zionists are genocidal maniacs, so we don’t need to bother discussing them. For decent humans we could try to come up with an explanation.

For Iran to jump into war it is like committing suicide to start a war with Israel/US/NATO. It would be a one off war lasting maybe a few weeks or months during which the Anglo-Zionists will bomb all of Iran’s military and civilian infrastructure and then walk away. Israel will still exist while Iran will become a broken country, the mullahs will be overthrown, and Reza Shah will be flown in on a US plane and installed as the ruler. It will be back to the Shah’s time. Then the same people will be crying that Iran is a puppet state of the US like Saudi Arabia.

Question is, why should Iran sacrifice itself when the end result won’t even get the Palestinians their state? It may feel good for a few days to see Iranian missiles raining down on Tel Aviv, but then there will be the horror of seeing Iranians being slaughtered by the Anglo-Zionists. I remember the time the Americans were gloating over bombs falling on Baghdad and lighting up the city like a ‘Christmas Tree.’

Instead, Iran seems to be coordinating their policy with Russia, which is also demonstrating strategic patience. It’s frustrating the enemies of Islam and I would rather see them frustrated than laughing.

 

[mulj]

It seems like Iran’s refusal to jump into war is frustrating a lot of people, both the Anglo-Zionists who want an excuse to attack Iran and pro-Palestinians who want to punish the Zionists.

The Anglo-Zionists are genocidal maniacs, so we don’t need to bother discussing them. For decent humans we could try to come up with an explanation.

For Iran to jump into war it is like committing suicide to start a war with Israel/US/NATO. It would be a one off war lasting maybe a few weeks or months during which the Anglo-Zionists will bomb all of Iran’s military and civilian infrastructure and then walk away. Israel will still exist while Iran will become a broken country, the mullahs will be overthrown, and Reza Shah will be flown in on a US plane and installed as the ruler. It will be back to the Shah’s time. Then the same people will be crying that Iran is a puppet state of the US like Saudi Arabia.

Question is, why should Iran sacrifice itself when the end result won’t even get the Palestinians their state? It may feel good for a few days to see Iranian missiles raining down on Tel Aviv, but then there will be the horror of seeing Iranians being slaughtered by the Anglo-Zionists. I remember the time the Americans were gloating over bombs falling on Baghdad and lighting up the city like a ‘Christmas Tree.’

Instead, Iran seems to be coordinating their policy with Russia, which is also demonstrating strategic patience. It’s frustrating the enemies of Islam and I would rather see them frustrated than laughing.

It is ok to have that position too but then shut up about resistance and common cause.
This is slap to Russia too and stabbing "ally" in need.

 

[Persian Gulf]

It is ok to have that position too but then shut up about resistance and common cause.
This is slap to Russia too and stabbing "ally" in need.

Iran still supports the Axis of Resistance groups, it just won't go to war for them. Like USA/Europe and Ukraine.