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[tsunset]

If NOTAM was issued (I’m too lazy to check) then either launch conditions were not optimal and it was delayed. Or it failed.

Maybe someone will shed further light. I saw a few Iranian trackers talk about this launch, not just one.

There was no NOTAM today nor yesterday

 

[jauk]

turns out this wasn't true

Yeah, I saw more chatter than this dude otherwise crickets.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Iranian made satellite Pars-1 launched into space by Russian SLV

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فیلم/ توضیحات رئیس سازمان فضایی درباره قابلیت‌های ماهواره پارس ۱

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Separation moment

فیلم/ لحظه جدا شدن کپسول حاوی ماهواره ایرانی پارس ۱

ماهواره پارس ۱ توسط پرتابگر سایوز از پایگاه پرتاب وستوچنی روسیه به فضا پرتاب شد. در تصاویر جدید لحظه جدا شدن کپسول حاوی ماهواره ایرانی پارس ۱ مشخص است.

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a bit disappointing we need to ask Russia to launch 150kg satellite for us 15 years after we first launched 50kg satellite into LEO

 

[muhammed45]

a bit disappointing we need to ask Russia to launch 150kg satellite for us 15 years after we first launched 50kg satellite into LEO

After signing JCPOA, most of Iranian scientists were fired whom worked in space programs. Nuclear scientists, a couple of them went to their father's farmlands to find a source of income. Not to mention that the last 2 to 3 years of Ahmadinejad was also equal to a non existent government. We had 10 years of delay, sabotage and betraying. What do you expect?

https://www.mehrnews.com/news/3980007/%D8%A8%DB%8C%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%DB%8C-%D8%A8%D8%B1%D8%AE%DB%8C-%D8%AF%D8%A7%D9%86%D8%B4%D9%85%D9%86%D8%AF%D8%A7%D9%86-%D9%87%D8%B3%D8%AA%D9%87-%D8%A7%DB%8C-%D8%A7%D8%B2-%D8%AF%D8%B3%D8%AA%D8%A7%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AF%D9%87%D8%A7%DB%8C-%D9%85%D8%B0%D8%A7%DA%A9%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%AA-%DA%98%D9%86%D9%88-%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA

UAE and USA stole Iranian scientists working in space programs

دولت اجازه پرتاب 6 ماهواره را نمی‌دهد/40 دانشمند صنعت فضایی به آمریکا و اروپا مهاجرت کردند/امارات دانشمندان فضایی ایران را جذب کرد

معاون پژوهشی پژوهشگاه فضایی ایران گفت: در این دو سال 40 نفر از متخصصان صنعت فضایی به آمریکا و اروپا رفته‌اند، حتی امارات متخصصان ما را جذب می‌کند و در حال راه اندازی صنعت فضایی است و می‌خواهد تا چند سال آینده گردشگر به فضا پرتاب کند.

dana.ir

Thanks to that midget Zarif and the purple Sheik.

 

[Persian Gulf]

After signing JCPOA, most of Iranian scientists were fired whom worked in space programs. Nuclear scientists, a couple of them went to their father's farmlands to find a source of income. Not to mention that the last 2 to 3 years of Ahmadinejad was also equal to a non existent government. We had 10 years of delay, sabotage and betraying. What do you expect?

https://www.mehrnews.com/news/3980007/%D8%A8%DB%8C%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%DB%8C-%D8%A8%D8%B1%D8%AE%DB%8C-%D8%AF%D8%A7%D9%86%D8%B4%D9%85%D9%86%D8%AF%D8%A7%D9%86-%D9%87%D8%B3%D8%AA%D9%87-%D8%A7%DB%8C-%D8%A7%D8%B2-%D8%AF%D8%B3%D8%AA%D8%A7%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AF%D9%87%D8%A7%DB%8C-%D9%85%D8%B0%D8%A7%DA%A9%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%AA-%DA%98%D9%86%D9%88-%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA

UAE and USA stole Iranian scientists working in space programs

دولت اجازه پرتاب 6 ماهواره را نمی‌دهد/40 دانشمند صنعت فضایی به آمریکا و اروپا مهاجرت کردند/امارات دانشمندان فضایی ایران را جذب کرد

معاون پژوهشی پژوهشگاه فضایی ایران گفت: در این دو سال 40 نفر از متخصصان صنعت فضایی به آمریکا و اروپا رفته‌اند، حتی امارات متخصصان ما را جذب می‌کند و در حال راه اندازی صنعت فضایی است و می‌خواهد تا چند سال آینده گردشگر به فضا پرتاب کند.

dana.ir

Thanks to that midget Zarif and the purple Sheik.

we know during Rouhani era the program was harmed a lot but Zarif and Rouhani haven't been in power since 2021 so I wonder for how much longer you can blame them for everything

 

[muhammed45]

we know during Rouhani era the program was harmed a lot but Zarif and Rouhani haven't been in power since 2021 so I wonder for how much longer you can blame them for everything

We do not have those problems at the moment. The work on space program has started again and scientists are being employed again. They work hard first to compensate Rouhani's damages and then increase the number of launches per year.

I just pointed to the main reason for your disappointment.

 

[Kyussis]

we know during Rouhani era the program was harmed a lot but Zarif and Rouhani haven't been in power since 2021 so I wonder for how much longer you can blame them for everything

Barley 3 years to fix a problem caused over 8 years is not enough time!

 

[Immortals]

Issue is much deeper than Rouhani. Rouhani had zero influence on IRGC and the missile program.

IRGC and the defense industry tied to missile program supplies the engines for both IRGC-SF and ISA.

The issue is the 2008-2015 space program was largely just propaganda started under Ahmadinejad. It was a scud based space program. Those don’t work. Saddam tried it, Pakistan tried it, North Korea tried it.

Safir and Simorgh were merely repurposed scud engines. Hardly a scalable program for space. Those engines were pushed to their maximum and still struggled.

Until IRGC started building better 3rd stage delivery boosters and things like Rafae engine, then the programs started getting legit. Even now the program is where it should have been in 2012 meaning the space program is 10-15 years behind….themselves. Many parties share the the blame for that.

Tehrani Moghdam death along with his team set Iranian missile program back by 5-10 years as you not only lost a ton of talented engineers, but you lost a visionary who could push thru and reform due to his influence in the country. Not everyone has the power that Tehrani or Solemani had in their lifetimes.

Thus its alot more complicated than blaming budget cuts of Rouhani era. Even today Iran is still not investing enough into space program compared to other lower tier space powers. $100M is nothing when speaking about a serious space program. Countries routinely spend billions now to build up their space program.

The biggest bottleneck has been building more powerful engines that are suited for heavy lift to space rather than delivering a 1000KG warhead to a point on earth.

 

[Persian Gulf]

AFAIK MOD supplies engines for ISA not IRGC

$100-150m is very low but not nothing compared to $5-10m under Rouhani (cut from $70m prior to that), that's a huge cut which will clearly end most progress

weird thing is MOD also has more powerful engines than SCUD engines (Khorramshahr) but still relies on SCUD in Simorgh

 

[Immortals]

AFAIK MOD supplies engines for ISA not IRGC

So the 2 IRGC missile engineers that died in an “accident” at ISA launch site
were there doing what exactly? On vacation? Walking their dog?

Come on, MOD is a MINISTRY. That’s like saying the Pentagon makes the F-35 because they “supply” the planes.

MOD contract out their engines to……IRGC backed companies. That’s how the procurement process works. ISA reaches out to MOD who reaches out to necessary powers that be involved in that expertise. There isn’t some civilian rocket engine company like you see in the West. Everyone is tied to the military and the the holder of military engine secrets is IRGC, not MOD.

You aren’t building Missile engines without IRGC engineers. The parts, the components, the fuel, the software, etc all need IRGC assistance to get assembled and delivered.

$100-150m is very low but not nothing compared to $5-10m under Rouhani (cut from $70m prior to that), that's a huge cut which will clearly end most progress

You must remember Iran was also going thru terrible economic times (including COVID). Space was a luxury. And there was zero breakthroughs

weird thing is MOD also has more powerful engines than SCUD engines (Khorramshahr) but still relies on SCUD in Simorgh

MOD doesn’t have ANYTHING. It’s a government agency. That’s like saying the Pentagon/department of defense has nukes or Patriot missile systems.

And even newer ISA SLV like Zoljanah relies on IRGC tech.

I don’t know why people on here seem to think the engines are coming from some mysterious non affiliated IRGC companies. Iran’s entire missile program was built by IRGC going back to the Iran and Iraq war. It’s first engineers were trained in Syria and Libya. IRGC was the one who traveled to North Korea for SCUD missile purchases and ToT discussion. It’s nuclear program head (Fakhrizadeh) was IRGC. Mayor of Tehran (Qalibaf) again former IRGC.

I remember a quote I forgot if it was Hajizadeh or another general at the time, this was years ago, but he said something along the lines of “we delivered Simorgh in 2012, but it was [Rouhani] who refused to launch it. Not due to us. It has been ready”. This was during a long stretch of no launches during I believe Rouhani’s first term.

So any notion that IRGC is not directly involved with ISA program is just naive. Especially when IRGC engineers and launch specialists are at the launchpads.

 

[Persian Gulf]

So the 2 IRGC missile engineers that died in an “accident” at ISA launch site
were there doing what exactly? On vacation? Walking their dog?

they can be there to observe or assist with the launch but that doesn't mean they produced the engines

Come on, MOD is a MINISTRY. That’s like saying the Pentagon makes the F-35 because they “supply” the planes.

MOD contract out their engines to……IRGC backed companies. That’s how the procurement process works. ISA reaches out to MOD who reaches out to necessary powers that be involved in that expertise. There isn’t some civilian rocket engine company like you see in the West. Everyone is tied to the military and the the holder of military engine secrets is IRGC, not MOD.

You aren’t building Missile engines without IRGC engineers. The parts, the components, the fuel, the software, etc all need IRGC assistance to get assembled and delivered.

I am pretty sure MODAFL has its own (non-IRGC) affiliated companies to build rocket engines

And even newer ISA SLV like Zoljanah relies on IRGC tech.

I think again Zoljanah is built by MODAFL not IRGC

IRGC offered to produce engines for ISA but so far they are produced by MODAFL as far as I know

@Hack-Hook ?

 

[Hack-Hook]

I think again Zoljanah is built by MODAFL not IRGC

IRGC offered to produce engines for ISA but so far they are produced by MODAFL as far as I know

@Hack-Hook ?

as far as I'm aware some even some of IRGC engines are made by Defense Ministry

 

[Immortals]

they can be there to observe or assist with the launch but that doesn't mean they produced the engines

I am pretty sure MODAFL has its own (non-IRGC) affiliated companies to build rocket engines

I think again Zoljanah is built by MODAFL not IRGC

IRGC offered to produce engines for ISA but so far they are produced by MODAFL as far as I know

@Hack-Hook ?

as far as I'm aware some even some of IRGC engines are made by Defense Ministry

“as far as I’m aware”. Is akin to the saying “unnamed sources”.

Please let me know where you both are getting this information of non-IRGC related aerospace companies helping DM create engines.

Zoljanah is based on Sejill tech. And still IRGC-SSF is 1-2 generations ahead what they “allow” civil sector to possess.

 

[Persian Gulf]

“as far as I’m aware”. Is akin to the saying “unnamed sources”.

Please let me know where you both are getting this information of non-IRGC related aerospace companies helping DM create engines.

Zoljanah is based on Sejill tech. And still IRGC-SSF is 1-2 generations ahead what they “allow” civil sector to possess.

AIO is subsidiary of MODAFL and builds many missiles such as Khorramshahr, I think even Sejjil is built by AIO but I am less sure about that

 

[Immortals]

AIO is subsidiary of MODAFL and builds many missiles such as Khorramshahr, I think even Sejjil is built by AIO but I am less sure about that

And your claim is AIO has no IRGC links and the engineers never served in IRGC or were apart of Shahrud missile development faciltiy? Correct?

And that AIO got its hands on Russian R-27 engines, even tho the only country that would share how to reverse engineer R-27 would be North Korea who sold Iran the missile that Khorramshahr is derived from? When North Korea again only deals with IRGC going back to the 80’s?

Would love to meet these non-IRGC related individuals who build these engines….Because they don’t exist.

Anyone that does any business in Iran knows that Sepah has their hand in every major industry even outside of military. For example, Chitgar the biggest luxury real estate township development suburb of Tehran sold properties at dirt cheap prices years ago to only those who were affiliated with IRGC.

My claim to be clear for everyone here is AIO and whoever they sub contract to and the raw materials they procure are all from IRGC or IRGC infiliated companies/Individuals.

Now I could be wrong, absolutely. But everything I have seen and my personal experience in Iran and having former IRGC family members is it is highly unlikely any missile program wether civil or military escapes the grasp of Sepah.