Al - Haider VT-4 MBT - The Premier PA Ground Asset [Developments]

[Lion]

Bro is it 679 for sure? Add that to 750 Al-Khalid 1 and 2's and 320 T-80UD's that's 1,749 modern MBT's. This is impressive and gives the army a massive armored punch, especially combined with the large number of mobile artillery, APC's and drones.
I didn't count the Al-Zarrar due to age and it seems to be used for COIN?

750 Al-Khalid is also too high, there are only 321 Al-Khalids and 120 Al-Khalid-1s.

 

[Lion]

Which Tank is the VT4 replacing, also didn't you guys purchased them in 2020 during Bajwa's Tenure.
Tanks have a long lifespan, if upgraded and maintained regularly , they could serve for 50-60 years.
American M1A2 Abrams and Russian T-72M have been in service since 1970s and will likely continue to see frontline service well into 2030s or even 2040

India currently has 1950 T-72M Ajeya , which were last upgraded between 2008-12
We also had 468 T-72A which were inducted between 1978-84 and were not upgraded and kept in storage as spares .

If you guys believe in conspiracies spread by the likes of Zaid Hamid, then all the T-72s in Indian storage were sent to Russia in the guise of overhaul and upgrade in 2021-22, but instead are now being used to replenish Russian losses of MBTs in Ukraine

Indian Army believes that we need a light tank for our border with China ,
Hence we see the development of 25-30 Ton Zorawar Tank which could replace a major chunk of our T-72 Fleet .
Indian army plans to induct 300 Zorawar tanks in first phase and retire another 450 T-72M , which will initially be sent to storage from active duty and then could find themselves in the hand of some friendly ally

India has 1150~ T72 CIA and the rest are still the regular T72M1 (around 900~ would be in active service, with several hundred more in reserve), Along with 1193 T90S. Do not confuse T72A and M, the M does not stand for modernized.

 

[Lion]

SO Vt-4 and Haider are not the same?

They are the Same. PA drastically reduced the foreign orders for the VT4, that’s what PK is trying to say. Initially a large number of the tanks were going to be purchased from China because they were reluctant to provide full ToT + the documents and schematics they did provide weren’t of the best quality. However HIT was able to do enough reverse engineering (plus the simulators helped) to where they are ready to produce these tanks locally. However, the overall order has still been reduced I believe, given the recent economic constraints placed on the country.

 

[Lion]

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The indigenous content is nowhere near the 90% mark. Much lower, at least for now.

 

[Lion]

Just as a side note, the 5TD-6TD series diesel engines are just plain fuel hungry, especially in a counter-insurgency role where the tank primarily either sits in idle or perform limited tactical maneuvers.
The nature of them being opposed two-stroke-cycle engines, with very short stroke distance, large piston diameter, and high RPM means they can cram a lot of peak power output in tight (especially flat) spaces, with the unfortunate downside being low torque at low RPM (poor acceleration), short time between overhaul (high RPM = high wear), and bad fuel economy (fuel-rich combustion at low RPM). They really are more intended for the soviet armour spearhead, long-distance breakthrough, not for rat-blasting.
Although in the near future, engines like 6TD could see a resurgence. A very interesting development recently have been electric transmission in tanks and AFVs reaching operational maturity, which benefits engines like 6TD immensely, since it means the diesel engine only have to operate at ideal RPM condition where its advantage in high energy density can be used in full, while its disadvantage in bad low RPM performance can be perfectly ameliorated by the natural feature of electric motors.

Very accurate, finally, someone who knows the TD series well. People forget that the TD series was never even one of the options for the Al-Khalid, it came only because all the other options got embargoed, the AK was designed around a much larger engine. It most certainly has very poor torque, people misunderstand the relation between Torque and power in engines, these are high horsepower (for the size) and low torque engines.
The fuel consumption is poor yes, but it’s not alarmingly so, at least in practice. Given Pakistans geography it is even less of an issue. I think the saving grace to the Al-Khalid’s powertrain is the transmission, complicated, yes, very, but it gives it acceptable acceleration and great reverse speeds. But it is also the reason it has been hard to change out the AKs powertrain to the Chinese ones.
As for electric transmissions, interesting concept, I wonder how long that’ll take to trickle down this far.

 

[Lion]

There's already 176 around. 500? Every source I read it's 680....You would know first hand if room is being made and if older tanks are being put away for storage.

There’s a reason More Al-Zarrars are being produced and older ones are potentially being upgraded. The order has been downsized, for now at least. I was the one who claimed the 680 figure first anyways.

 

[CSAW]

...." Haider tank's armor on the turret and the hull is a combination of composite, reactive, and spaced armor. Composite armor is made up of layers of materials such as ceramics, metals, and polymers that work together to resist penetration by projectiles. Reactive armor uses explosive charges to disrupt and deflect incoming projectiles, while spaced armor consists of two layers of armor with a gap between them that helps to absorb the energy of incoming projectiles. The front of the hull is fitted with ERA (Explosive Reactive Armor) package.

The Haider tank's suspension system consists of six road wheels on each side, with the first and last road wheels mounted on hydraulic shock absorbers. The tank's suspension system is of the torsion bar type, with each road wheel mounted on its own torsion bar. The idler is at the front while the drive sprocket is at the rear. The tank is powered by a four-stroke turbocharged electronically-controlled Diesel engine developing 1,200 hp coupled to a hydro-mechanical automatic transmission. It can run at a maximum road speed of 70 km/h with a maximum cruising range of 500 km."

 

[Waterboy]

Should i upload VT4 interior pictures???

 

[Malik]

HIT unveiled HAIDER Tank, indigenously manufactured with NORINCO China and Pakistan

General Syed Asim Munir, NI (M), Chief of Army Staff (COAS), visited Heavy Industries Taxila (HIT) as chief guest at the rollout ceremony of HAIDER tank (Pilot Project).

The ceremony was attended by Ambassador of the Peoples Republic of China, key officials of Chinese state company NORINCO, high officials of Government of Pakistan & Pakistan Army, and various military and civilian officials of HIT. During the ceremony, HIT unveiled its new Tank HAIDER, which has been indigenously manufactured through collaboration with NORINCO China and various industries of Pakistan.

HAIDER embodies cutting-edge technology and impressive capability in the domain of tank warfare having remarkable firepower, protection and manoeuvre characteristics. Crafted with state-of-the-art advanced technologies, HAIDER stands as a testament to Pakistani defence industry’s relentless pursuit of excellence in defence innovation.

COAS was briefed in detail about the technical capabilities of the HAIDER tank and the progress being made in achieving indigenization in arms and armament.

COAS also visited other manufacturing facilities within the Heavy Industrial Complex and appreciated the commitment of the officers and workforce in successful achievement of another technological milestone.
Earlier on arrival, COAS was received by Chairman HIT.

 

[Malik]

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[Ak01]

still no APS

 

[War Lord]

HIT unveiled HAIDER Tank, indigenously manufactured with NORINCO China and Pakistan

General Syed Asim Munir, NI (M), Chief of Army Staff (COAS), visited Heavy Industries Taxila (HIT) as chief guest at the rollout ceremony of HAIDER tank (Pilot Project).

The ceremony was attended by Ambassador of the Peoples Republic of China, key officials of Chinese state company NORINCO, high officials of Government of Pakistan & Pakistan Army, and various military and civilian officials of HIT. During the ceremony, HIT unveiled its new Tank HAIDER, which has been indigenously manufactured through collaboration with NORINCO China and various industries of Pakistan.

HAIDER embodies cutting-edge technology and impressive capability in the domain of tank warfare having remarkable firepower, protection and manoeuvre characteristics. Crafted with state-of-the-art advanced technologies, HAIDER stands as a testament to Pakistani defence industry’s relentless pursuit of excellence in defence innovation.

COAS was briefed in detail about the technical capabilities of the HAIDER tank and the progress being made in achieving indigenization in arms and armament.

COAS also visited other manufacturing facilities within the Heavy Industrial Complex and appreciated the commitment of the officers and workforce in successful achievement of another technological milestone.
Earlier on arrival, COAS was received by Chairman HIT.View attachment 23945View attachment 23946

Israelis built their own Merkava after being given a cold shoulder from their "Western allies" pre-1990's.

And here we have Pakistan repeating history, this time with a different "partner", and buying tech/equipment from China.

Bet HIT can't even make 100 of these tanks per year. That one being used for all these photos will likely be their best product.

It took HIT 14 years to upgrade old tanks to Al-Zarrar...

And there was Chinese and Ukrainian help involved.



Some, especially some specific mods/admins, might feel like I'm "sh!ting" on this initiative but everything I said above is true, to a degree.

And then we have the Israeli example.....where billions of US taxpayer money (some of mine and of my ancestors) were used to make home grown tanks. That's about it....the fiscal aspect. Everything else involved Israeli capability, one way or another.

Why can't Pakistan make it's own products??

Why are there thousands of Engineers (and technicians) graduating yearly?? Are they of any use?

 

[Malik]

still no APS

According to some reports, Pakistan is developing its own APS system which will be installed on all tanks of the Pakistan Army

 

[Ak01]

According to some reports, Pakistan is developing its own APS system which will be installed on all tanks of the Pakistan Army

doubt it, i follow hit quite closely and hvent seen any indication

 

[Ali_Baba]

HIT unveiled HAIDER Tank, indigenously manufactured with NORINCO China and Pakistan

General Syed Asim Munir, NI (M), Chief of Army Staff (COAS), visited Heavy Industries Taxila (HIT) as chief guest at the rollout ceremony of HAIDER tank (Pilot Project).

The ceremony was attended by Ambassador of the Peoples Republic of China, key officials of Chinese state company NORINCO, high officials of Government of Pakistan & Pakistan Army, and various military and civilian officials of HIT. During the ceremony, HIT unveiled its new Tank HAIDER, which has been indigenously manufactured through collaboration with NORINCO China and various industries of Pakistan.

HAIDER embodies cutting-edge technology and impressive capability in the domain of tank warfare having remarkable firepower, protection and manoeuvre characteristics. Crafted with state-of-the-art advanced technologies, HAIDER stands as a testament to Pakistani defence industry’s relentless pursuit of excellence in defence innovation.

COAS was briefed in detail about the technical capabilities of the HAIDER tank and the progress being made in achieving indigenization in arms and armament.

COAS also visited other manufacturing facilities within the Heavy Industrial Complex and appreciated the commitment of the officers and workforce in successful achievement of another technological milestone.
Earlier on arrival, COAS was received by Chairman HIT.View attachment 23945View attachment 23946

So - it seems like HAIDER is basically a local version of VT4 ?!