Al - Haider VT-4 MBT - The Premier PA Ground Asset [Developments]

[War Lord]

According to some reports, Pakistan is developing its own APS system which will be installed on all tanks of the Pakistan Army

APS systems can be defeated....Hamas has shown us so far.

They come right next to the tank but I'm sure Indian weapons can do top attacks, or can be upgraded to do top attacks.

Speed kills and it has already been used to defeat APS systems also. APS can't react fast enough after certain speed limits.





The next gen tanks are going to be small, versatile, diverse pieces of equipment like the M-10 Booker (AFV). Not these Mammoths waiting to go extinct like in the Russo-Ukraine War or the Israeli-Hamas War.

Like these:

 

[safriz]

If they only posted the news without 100 pictures of this چ Asim Munir, I would be a lot more interested.

 

[Ak01]

APS systems can be defeated....Hamas has shown us so far.

everything can be defeated. Doesnt mean we shouldnt equip. APS is meant to reduce the damage taken on. APS can also protect from top attackers depending on the system

 

[Quwa]

Israelis built their own Merkava after being given a cold shoulder from their "Western allies" pre-1990's.

And here we have Pakistan repeating history, this time with a different "partner", and buying tech/equipment from China.

Bet HIT can't even make 100 of these tanks per year. That one being used for all these photos will likely be their best product.

It took HIT 14 years to upgrade old tanks to Al-Zarrar...

And there was Chinese and Ukrainian help involved.
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Some, especially some specific mods/admins, might feel like I'm "sh!ting" on this initiative but everything I said above is true, to a degree.

And then we have the Israeli example.....where billions of US taxpayer money (some of mine and of my ancestors) were used to make home grown tanks. That's about it....the fiscal aspect. Everything else involved Israeli capability, one way or another.

Why can't Pakistan make it's own products??

Why are there thousands of Engineers (and technicians) graduating yearly?? Are they of any use?

To be fair, HIT's tank production capacity is at most 50 per year. So, before getting to 100, let's see if they can efficiently get to 50.

 

[War Lord]

To be fair, HIT's tank production capacity is at most 50 per year. So, before getting to 100, let's see if they can efficiently get to 50.

We all know parts are going to be manufactured in China if not the whole tank itself.

If they decide to make it mostly in-home they're probably looking at a 5+ year schedule before there are enough of these in numbers that matter.

And by that time these Mammoths will truly be obsolete.

I got some eyes on potential wars within the next 5-10 years. Even the ones going on right now are showing signs of how much of a utter waste tanks are unless there's proper air dominance.

UAV's can easily scout tanks and direct Artillery fire as seen in Ukraine. A Arty round is cheaper than a modern ATGM. India might use 10-50 of them before even hitting a Pakistani tank but it'll be worth the effort if they ever go that route or are clever enough to do so.

In a Indo-Pak scenario, there are enough ATGM's (among other weaponry) on both sides to pulverize such tanks 10x over.

Truly shows the thinking capability of these "war planners". But then again....this tank is for photo shoots, not actual War.

Pakistan will cave in to economic, political and social pressure long before it ever declares war on anyone that isn't a civilian or a sandal wearing Jihadist.

 

[ghazi52]

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[Fasbre2]

This tank is 1 KO away from being in a scrap yard...

Some tanks can take a beating, this won't since it'll be going up against India not the TTP.

Respectfully disagree, a Toyota pickup covered in tin sheeting made to look like a tank can take quite a beating…

 

[Ak01]

This tank is 1 KO away from being in a scrap yard...

Some tanks can take a beating, this won't since it'll be going up against India not the TTP.

thats precisely what APS prevents.

 

[Quwa]

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Dictatorshipppppp

Dude, I'm not pro-Asim or anything. I'm just mandated to keep threads I come across on-topic. I'll let a couple of comments here and there pass, but we can't let a Haider MBT thread go off the rails.

 

[War Lord]

Dude, I'm not pro-Asim or anything. I'm just mandated to keep threads I come across on-topic. I'll let a couple of comments here and there pass, but we can't let a Haider MBT thread go off the rails.

Good to know it was you. I was curious who was kind enough to write "just keeping the thread relatively clean".

Usually after "Off Topic." there's a threat of a speed limit or ban.

If it's you deleting my posts it's fine. If it's Musings or Oscar then

 

[Oscar]

Why are there thousands of Engineers (and technicians) graduating yearly?? Are they of any use?

We left because we dont want to work under people who dont have the qualifications other than having worn the uniform once.

 

[Oscar]

Not it doesn't lol

It ain't fool proof. A soldier can walk up to the tank and place a bomb....already seen and posted on PDF of Hamas doing it. Then send a RPG into it, also in the same video.

Or a modern army can do a top down attack which APS can't protect against or do a frontal assault so fast that the APS reacts too late.

There are already RPG's/ATGM's too fast for current APS to counter.

And I just mentioned 2 ways...

There's a lot more ways of disabling a tank.

Edit 1: Hamas video is buried in some random thread, a recent upload by me was taken down by the video hosting service. I can show it to you on Disco.rd though.

You’re not fighting hamas in urban environments - please be more broader than that one video you saw or got inspired by tom hanks in saving private ryan

You’re fighting in open desert or arid land

 

[Oscar]

Good to know it was you. I was curious who was kind enough to write "just keeping the thread relatively clean".

Usually after "Off Topic." there's a threat of a speed limit or ban.

If it's you deleting my posts it's fine. If it's Musings or Oscar then

So what? If you’re derailing a thread then you’re derailing it. Nobody gives a hoot who you are other than your content and your anger at me or musings is next to the same worth as the 1’s and 0’s as the emojis.

Post on topic without needless political derailment and on the technical aspects

 

[Fasbre2]

Lmao seen enough footage of Daeshi or Jihadi toyotas blowing up in Iraq and Syria to also respectfully disagree.

What I do agree on is that they're a quite a bang for the buck; they're very cheap. Yea they can take beatings from the road, elements and time but they can't take more than 1 rpg's let alone arty rounds.

I was being sarcastic about HIT building the tank..

 

[Ice-Le0pard]

Was this tank fully produced and built locally, or is it a situation where all the parts are shipped from China and assembled in Pakistan?