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Chinese can fool only themselves and anti-Turkiye users


When it comes to the Chinese J-35, Its stealthy; when it comes to the KAAN, it's not proven ..... wtf is your Jet proven in a conflict ?

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A Prototype is sufficient to determine whether a platform has stealth capabilities.


And Turkiye has enough technology to equippe even KIZILELMA with MURAD AESA Radar , TOYGUN EOTS , KARAT IRST and FEWS-U EW Suite

None of the Systems were just on paper, and they even conducted flights by integrating them into KIZILELMA

There will be no problems with KAAN's avionics and electronic systems.

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You have no shame, We haven't forgotten that they called KAAN a fake mock-up which can not fly , 6 years ago

And now, here too, they are spreading anti-Turkiye propaganda for some idiots
When discussing Turkey’s development, don’t drag China into everything. You are far behind China, so there is no comparison at all.
If you really want to compare, you can compare yourselves with India; you are in the same tier.
 
When discussing Turkey’s development, don’t drag China into everything. You are far behind China, so there is no comparison at all.
If you really want to compare, you can compare yourselves with India; you are in the same tier.

We Turks dont give a shit about China's low quality Weapons

While we were discussing possible scenarios after Germany and France cancelled the FCAS project, as usual, those same Chinese guys came along and started spreading anti-Turkiye propaganda.

and When KAAN enter the market whole world will see who will export more 5th gen Fighter Jet

Turkiye or China .. as like UCAVs and unmanned stealth Fighter Jets
 
We Turks dont give a shit about China's low quality Weapons

While we were discussing possible scenarios after Germany and France cancelled the FCAS project, as usual, those same Chinese guys came along and started spreading anti-Turkiye propaganda.

and When KAAN enter the market whole world will see who will export more 5th gen Fighter Jet

Turkiye or China .. as like UCAVs and unmanned stealth Fighter Jets
China-Turkey trade has remained around USD 43 billion, reaching a new high in 2025. China exported USD 40 billion worth of goods to Turkey, while Turkey exported only USD 4.5 billion to China. China has long maintained a large trade surplus. Turkey mainly imports machinery and electrical equipment, electronics, automobiles, and industrial intermediate goods from China, while China’s imports from Turkey are mainly minerals, stone materials, and metal ores.

While eagerly importing machinery, electrical equipment, and other high-tech products from China, Turkey keeps disparaging Chinese products and comparing itself with China. Don’t you find that ridiculous?

Turkey and China are simply not on the same level. The countries Turkey should really compare itself with are India, Iran, and Pakistan — countries in the same tier.
 
Turkey should show some backbone and stop importing China’s machinery, electrical, and other high-tech products.

There is nothing that Türkiye can not produce.

Very cheap Chinese products for whole World ( for private sectors )
Because China sells goods very cheaply, Private Sectors all over the world buying Chinese products, including technologically advanced countries like the USA and Germany

Turkiye doesnt buy any weapon System from China .. nothing
 
There is nothing that Türkiye can not produce.

Very cheap Chinese products for whole World ( for private sectors )
Because China sells goods very cheaply, Private Sectors all over the world buying Chinese products, including technologically advanced countries like the USA and Germany

Turkiye doesnt buy any weapon System from China .. nothing
The key point is, even if Turkey wanted to buy them, China wouldn’t sell them to you.
Especially in recent years, China has imposed export controls on many high-tech products and technologies. Many things are not something you can buy just because you want to.
 
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China's advantage here is that it started military projects in the 1980s.

When all Turkish projects are finished, we'll all see the Chinese level.


We dont not compare Turkiye with anyone else

but India , Iran , Pakistan combined is not in the same tier with Turkiye

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1 -- 5th gen Fighter Jet
USA :
F-22 and F-35
Russia : SU-57
China : J-20 and J-35
Turkiye : KAAN


2 -- Unmanned stealth Fighter Jet
USA :
YFQ-44
Turkiye : KIZILELMA


3 -- Flying-wing stealth UCAV
USA :
X-47
Turkiye : ANKA-III
The UK : TARANIS
France : NEURON
China : GJ-11


4 -- Strike UCAV
USA :
MQ-9
Turkiye : AKINCI
China : WING LOONG-III

USA : MQ-9 Seaguardian (Seaspray 7500E V2 Radar with range of 320 nm - 592 km)
Turkiye : AKINCI UCAV ( FULMAR-500 AESA Radar with range of 320 nm- 592 km )


5 -- Attack Helicopter
USA :
AH-64 and AH-1Z
Turkiye : T-129 and T-929
Italy : AW-249
France-Germany : Eurocopter TIGER
China : Z-10 and Z-21


6 -- Utility Helicopter with Turboshaft Engine Technology in the World
USA :
S-70 Black Hawk ( General Electric T700-GE-701D )
The UK : AW159 Wildcat - Rolls-Royce Turbomeca RTM322
France : EC-725 ( Turboméca ( SAFRAN ) Makila 2A1 )
Turkiye : T-625 GOKBEY ...( TEI TS-1400turboshaft Engine )
China : Z-18 ( WZ-6C )


7 -- Next gen Trainer Jet
USA :
T-7
Turkiye : HURJET


8 -- High-altitude long range Air Defense System
USA :
PATRIOT
France-Italy : SAMP-T
Turkiye : SIPER
Russia : S400
Israel : DAVID's SLING
China : HQ-9


9 -- Airborne AESA Radar for Fighter Jets
USA :
AN/APG-81 and AN/APG-85
Turkiye : MURAD-100A and MURAD-600A
France : RBE2
Italy : Raven ES-05
The UK : ECRS
China : KLJ-7A


10 -- Stand off jammer Aircraft
USA :
EA-37B
Turkiye : ASOJ-23A

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And We can show more and more Turkish weapons/systems

Nobody here compared Turkiye with China.

We have our own defense Industry and we focused on finishing all Turkish military projects year by year

Good luck to China and Chinese military projects
TOPIC IS OVER ..
You can demonstrate it — demonstrate it to the Arab world or the Muslim world. But you’d better not casually compare yourself with China.

To be honest, China is not interested at all in demonstrations or comparisons of that kind.

Good Luck!
Wish Turkey succeed!
 
Very interesting claim
By 2035, 9 countries plan to add KAAN to their inventory.


Saudi Arabia: 100 KAAN
Spain: 60 KAAN
Indonesia: 48 KAAN
Pakistan: More than 40 KAAN
Qatar: 40 KAAN
Egypt: 24 KAAN
Azerbaijan: Approximately 20 KAAN
Malaysia: Approximately 20 KAAN
Syria: Approximately 20 KAAN

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The moment we develop the TF-35,000 engine, Indonesia, Pakistan, Azerbaijan, Qatar and Malaysia will definitely buy KAAN

and many other countries will follow


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Another technology that Turkiye will offer here is the MUM-T concept
( KAAN , KIZILELMA , ANKA-III/IV )

No country other than the US , Turkiye and China will be able to offer this capability.
 
Very interesting claim
By 2035, 9 countries plan to add KAAN to their inventory.

Saudi Arabia: 100 KAAN
Spain: 60 KAAN
Indonesia: 48 KAAN
Pakistan: More than 40 KAAN
Qatar: 40 KAAN
Egypt: 24 KAAN
Azerbaijan: Approximately 20 KAAN
Malaysia: Approximately 20 KAAN
Syria: Approximately 20 KAAN
...


You're really cute—I can't describe it any other way! I don't know if you're familiar with it, but in Germany we have an expression called “Milchmädchenrechnung”!

“Milchmädchenrechnung” is the term used to describe a naive calculation or line of reasoning that overlooks key factors and therefore arrives at a conclusion that, while plausible, is incorrect.

In short, according to these, a girl goes to the market with a jug to sell milk, and as she walks, she dreams of the profit with which she wants to buy this and that—including another calf—so she can sell even more milk later and eventually become rich... unfortunately, she isn’t paying attention, stumbles, and the milk jug breaks!

Accordingly, this is a calculation based on fallacies or illusions.
- when someone fails to include important parameters in their reasoning and thereby arrives at a result that sounds plausible but is nevertheless incorrect.
- that a complex topic is viewed in an overly naive manner. Relevant aspects are ignored, and while the result may seem plausible, it is nevertheless incorrect.

And it’s exactly the same with Kaan... if the TF35000 fails or its development is delayed—and I’d bet almost anything on that—then all your great expectations of export successes are simply smoke and mirrors, aka NOTHING!
 
10 years ago, if someone had said that Turkiye would become the world leader in UCAV export marketing, People like DEINO would have laughed


Turkiye was become world leader in UCAV export marketing with its TB-2 , TB-3 , ANKA-S , AKSUNGUR , AKINCI and soon ANKA-III , KIZILELMA

Türkiye sold HURJET next gen jet Trainer to Spain
Turkiye sold T-129 Attack Helicopter to Philippines and Nigeria

Indonesia signed an agreement to buy 48 KAAN
ndonesia signed an agreement to buy 12 KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet
Azerbaijan joined KAAN project

Many other Countries interested in KAAN including Pakistan , S.Arabia , Qatar , Spain , Egypt , Maleysia


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There isn't a single project that Turkiye announced and failed at

It might be delayed by a few years, but it will eventually be completed.


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Just as we thwarted the Chinese who mocked Turkish projects for the past 6 years, it will be a great pleasure to inflict the same defeat on them when the TF-35,000 engine is finished.

Now they can laugh as much as they want.
 
Here are the qualities that give KAAN an advantage.
Stealth Platform
Sensor fusion
network centric warfare
As for now it is not even a nice aero show jet.

The last film about it in flight shown it, undercarriage open, flying low and straight. Maybe I'm late.

But the weapon system is far far from being complete and fine tune.

But contrary to germany, at least Turkey has something to show, and to improve.
 
France keeps humiliating Germany.

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They try to block any cooperation between Saab and Germany. I wonder what the Spanish think about this.
 
As for now it is not even a nice aero show jet.

The last film about it in flight shown it, undercarriage open, flying low and straight. Maybe I'm late.

But the weapon system is far far from being complete and fine tune.

But contrary to germany, at least Turkey has something to show, and to improve.
We have no issues when it comes to weapons or avionics; our only problem is the engine. Today, we are the world's largest producer of UCAV munitions. We can integrate virtually any type of munition into virtually any UCAV. Doing the same for the Kaan would be very easy for us
 
But contrary to germany, at least Turkey has something to show, and to improve.

The arms package that Turkiye can offer to other Countries to create a force multiplier for Air Forces

Only USA and Turkiye can show this capability in NATO

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MUM-T manned unmanned teaming
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Germany and France are not even close to Türkiye's current level.

It makes no sense for Germany to start a €100 billion euro project on its own when there is already ready-made project like Turkish KAAN in NATO

Who is Germany's enemy ? Russia, meaning it will face the SU-57
and the KAAN can compete with the SU-57; in fact, with the MUM-T concept
( KAAN + KIZILELMA + ANKA-III/IV ) will even be technologically superior to Russia

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But , political reasons are among the strongest barriers to Germany joining or investing in Turkiye's KAAN program

Germany sees Turkiye as a rival Country in the Balkans , Libya , Cyprus , Eastern Mediterranean , Syria , Middle East , Caucasus , In the Horn of Africa and in central Asia
 
I know you by now, and I know that "truth" is a pretty flexible concept for you; after all, the moment you can twist someone's argument or even just deliberately misinterpret it, you’re right back in your element.

So, let me spell this out for you—and to be quoted, too:

- NO, Kaan certainly isn't a "paper project"—I never claimed that... but it isn't a combat-proven system yet, either; it doesn't have a radar installed whose development is complete and whose performance parameters have been verified.

- None of the RCS figures are confirmed, none of its other performances and let's be clear: Kaan is a prototype with only TWO —that's "2," for the idiots out there— flights under its belt as a demonstrator... the actual prototype hasn't even flown yet, yet you're already exaggerating as if it were confirmed to be operationally superior to XYZ.


I know we’ll have this discussion many times over the coming years, and every time, you’ll ignore arguments, spread PR propaganda, and bash anyone who criticizes it. But as long as the engine isn't finished (and it’s nowhere near ready) and the avionics package isn't considered production-ready, the whole thing is anything but finished!

And even you can't deny that!
f we cannot procure the F110 engine from the U.S., what you're saying will happen. However, even if it takes longer than expected, have no doubt that it will eventually become one of the best fighter aircraft in the world
 
And it’s exactly the same with Kaan... if the TF35000 fails or its development is delayed—and I’d bet almost anything on that—then all your great expectations of export successes are simply smoke and mirrors, aka NOTHING!
C´mon Deino...
TF35.000 it is closer than any FCAS/GCAP or SKAFT or DUKFS!!!
Even if TF35000 goes wrong they can always buy license from chinese or russian companies...
 

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