Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

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[Master Chief]

Iranians attacked the vessels because Tel Aviv wanted to scuttle the MOU? Well the MOU is now skuttled.



How has it helped Lebanon or Iran? The terms are no more.

What exactly is the Iranian endgame here?

No. I'm saying Israel ALREADY scuttled the MoU.

If a single term of a treaty is broken, the whole treaty stands violated.

Although nobody in msm reported it as such, or deliberately suppressed the numerous open source opinion pieces that stated this at the time, Iran is somewhat justified in its position on that basis alone. Now assuming standard maritime law then applies, we can argue that Iran should not have exerted influence on Omani jurisdiction in Omani waters, which is a different argument and is technically true, but I don't think the actions in the Strait would be restricted by the terms of the already abrogated treaty.

In terms of the endgame, strategically, Iran has always had a plan. Iran can't hurt USA directly at all and can't hurt Israel directly much, but it still believes it can hurt the logistics and economics of both nations. I suspect Iran is now prepared to pay the heavy costs that will be levied in exchange for a decisive struggle for control of the Strait.

I also think the concluding elements of this endgame for Iran will ultimately be decided by whichever group (hardliners vs. reformists) controls their nation's direction.

 

[Immortals]

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[Persian Gulf]

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Genuinely impressive how incompetent the navy is. Shahram Irani should be held accountable for this, and his 100 other grave crimes against Iran. But of course he won’t be.

 

[VCheng]

I'm sorry but I can't be expected to entertain strawman. The two situations and their positions were completely different.

The strong undercurrent is a demand for respect and equality, which is very understandable.

(Except that such things are earned geopolitically, never demanded.)

 

[Persian Gulf]

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Yeah, just like we will leave the NPT if America attacks us. Qalibaf is too desperate for a deal, and Trump already said the MOU is dead, so Iran is being slow and reactive as always.

 

[Master Chief]

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Take it with a pinch of salt, as all twitter garbage should be....but...

Pretty dumb statement if Iran does say this. On the contrary, it should be stating that the MoU was broken by Israel weeks ago. It probably should have stated that at the time even, declaring that Iran is no longer beholden to this MoU.

 

[PakistanLVR]

Iranians attacked the vessels because Tel Aviv wanted to scuttle the MOU? Well the MOU is now skuttled.



How has it helped Lebanon or Iran? The terms are no more.

What exactly is the Iranian endgame here?

Did you really think the other side would have honor the MOU? I get you’d want Iran to lose and suffered but let’s not pretend Iran is the cause of this. Why the f**k would a regional power give up vital control of its region to a country from 8k miles away so they can extract more resources. The usurper bastard country on the Med doesn’t belong here as well.

 

[Flotilla]

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Obviously the base is abandoned.

But the idea was great. And the first to use it was not russian or even ukranian... the first were yemenis with the help of... yeah iranians.

 

[PakistanLVR]

1. Build the bknb
2. Arm the bomb
3. Point them in the direction of every enemy you have in the region including their backers from far flung areas
4. Give order if a nuke is used against Iran, all nukes Iran has will be launched against everyone else in the region and far away. Hair trigger on the launch button

 

[Flotilla]

1. Build the bknb
2. Arm the bomb
3. Point them in the direction of every enemy you have in the region including their backers from far flung areas
4. Give order if a nuke is used against Iran, all nukes Iran has will be launched against everyone else in the region and far away. Hair trigger on the launch button

I agree, the only place to withdraw it is NPT.
Just one place to leave.

 

[Meengla]

I don't know why but people still cheat themselves from something obvious to something more hopeful... pragmatic... to plain delusional.
MoU has gone the path of JCPOA... and years of negotiations. For those who don't remember the Russian Ukraine has it's own genesis in Minsk 1 and Minsk 2... where Merkel was on record in saying that it was a deliberate attempt to buy time.

As long as we have the most unpredictable, lying, unprincipled POTUS Trump sitting in office, no agreement, not treaty, not MOU are worth anything. This is not some deep toughtout American plan: It is one person--a compromised one--acting on his whims. And he unchallenged in the so-called best democracy and the best meritocracy of the world; there are hardly any of the vaunted checks and balances left.

I don't consider Trump 'spiritual' let alone a 'Christian'. The guy is becoming senile on top of his lifelong arrogance and indifference. He actually reminds me of the boy Lord of Eyrie in The Game of Thrones!

 

[RescueRanger]

1. Build the bknb
2. Arm the bomb
3. Point them in the direction of every enemy you have in the region including their backers from far flung areas
4. Give order if a nuke is used against Iran, all nukes Iran has will be launched against everyone else in the region and far away. Hair trigger on the launch button

Thank goodness you are not advising the Iranians.

 

[ShapurII]

1. Build the bknb
2. Arm the bomb
3. Point them in the direction of every enemy you have in the region including their backers from far flung areas
4. Give order if a nuke is used against Iran, all nukes Iran has will be launched against everyone else in the region and far away. Hair trigger on the launch button

With what fissile material?

 

[PakistanLVR]

Thank goodness you are not advising the Iranians.

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If I were advising them, New Delhi, Riyadh, Dubai, Kabul, and all of coastal occupied lands on the med would have a large mushroom clouds by now.

Is depleted uranium rounds less harmful than nukes?