Bangladesh Keen To Join Saudi-Pak-Turkey Defence Alliance, Says PM's Top Aide

If I were to hazard a guess, based purely on the status of Pakistan's own variant form of such a serially self-harming community, I would probably expect to find such folk more concentrated outside of Bangladesh rather than actually residing therein.

And you would be correct.

The loudest of Hasina cheerleaders are all safe living in the western countries. They urge people to come out in the social media to bring Hasina back. Some even call for Indian army intervention. The level of slave mentality one has to have to stoop to such level is astonishing to me.
 
My advice to Pakistani bros is not to mistake PDF jamatis as representative of the Bangladeshi voice.

There’s no support for military “alliances” in Bangladesh.

People want basic necessities addressed. For the first time in a decade factories are facing an acute power shortage. Government has introduced humiliating restrictions on use of electricity.

Even without BAL participation - it saw the Jamatis totally humiliated.

Even the BNP is on a short leash unless it can solve the acute power shortages.

Bangladeshis have a healthy scepticism of the military based on the experiences of the British empire, Pak military and military rules in 1980s.
As soon as you stoop to use words like jamati - we switch off. You really are a one trick pony.
 
I reserve the word jamati for specific people.

Jamaat isn't in power. It was high level Bangladeshi government officials publicly claiming their desire to join the Mecca Pact. Yet in your post you claim that only Jamatis are rooting for this alliance.

When you say Jamaati, what you really mean is any nationalist Bangladeshi who is not willing to bow down to Hindutva supremacy. Be it actual Jamaatis or BNP.

You are fooling no one.

This is not a domestic politics thread, which you can derail with your nonsensical rants. Back to topic or leave if you don't have anything of value to contribute.
 
Amen to that, bro!

New government is struggling badly and making hasty announcements and pronouncements.

1. Fighter jets procurements
2. Military alliances
3. Oil refinery expansion using expensive sharia loans
4. Teesta deal with China allegedly
5. Expansion of the metro at inflated cost
6. Buying new passenger jets from Boeing for the basket case Biman

Etc etc

Given the economic crisis - let’s see if any actually materialises
Interesting, so you has problem with almost everything that will further hurt Indian hegemony over Bangladesh. That says a lot about where your loyalties lie.
 
Bangladesh should look into annexing North East India states in the event of the war. Bangladesh can keep the lowly populated states while china gets back south tibet, sikkim and bhutan. All bangladesh needs is to do is build a strong network of tunnels and trenches with landmines and barb wire etc on the Western front and harass indians with fpv drones. On the Eastern flank bangladesh and china can annex the North East states that don't want to be part of India anyway.
Do you know the strength of Indian army deployed in Siliguri corridor and north East Indian states like tripura and Assam?

Even when Bangladesh does posses decent sized military and fire power they will also have huge casualities..... and why will china jump for Bangladesh? They don't get involved in others wars.... even if they are in mecca pact even then nobody will come to their rescue if they have initiated the war with India....
 
Bangladesh should look into annexing North East India states in the event of the war. Bangladesh can keep the lowly populated states while china gets back south tibet, sikkim and bhutan. All bangladesh needs is to do is build a strong network of tunnels and trenches with landmines and barb wire etc on the Western front and harass indians with fpv drones. On the Eastern flank bangladesh and china can annex the North East states that don't want to be part of India anyway.

This is absurd.
 
This is why @El Sidd is how he is regarding his opinion on Bangladesh. Even though I find his whining tiring, I do get his POV.

It's better for us(Pakistanis) to be safe than to be sorry again...... A Muslim is unlikely to hurt himself the same way twice.
 
Maybe its just me or the BD decision to move forward with J-10's can be a good indicator where they want to allign themselves to be, JF-17's and J-10's are the prime front line fighters of PAF (founding member of MDA PACT) so if BD actually get the J10's then i will see them doing exercises with PAF, and maybe (that's a big if) down the line they might get 1 sq of JF17 block 3 to fill in the gaps or for Anti ship role, its all too early but i think BD showing interests in MDA shows that they are willing to move away from the Indian sphere and rightly so, Its India that is messing up the entire region just because they have a small peepee nation that can't digest other countries surpassing them, crying wolf about terrorism when they are doing the same for years now in Pakistan, giving shelter to runaway's like Dalai Lama, and Hasina. The earlier Indians realize that their Phatherland won't give a fuq for their idol worshiper country, and America only care about its own national interest and white Europeans the better for Indians, their fate/destiny is in south Asia so better stop exporting terrorism and meddling in other countries and sit back with regional countries and fix issues rather than been a dehati aurat.
 
Bangladesh should look into annexing North East India states in the event of the war. Bangladesh can keep the lowly populated states while china gets back south tibet, sikkim and bhutan. All bangladesh needs is to do is build a strong network of tunnels and trenches with landmines and barb wire etc on the Western front and harass indians with fpv drones. On the Eastern flank bangladesh and china can annex the North East states that don't want to be part of India anyway.
I realise that you might be choosing to be hyperbolic, but Bangladesh's own independence movement and the Vietnam war serve as recent examples that demonstrate you cannot retain control over a territory without organic support from the native population. NE Indians have no interest in join Bangladesh.
Besides, Bangladesh is not looking for enemity with India - all we want is a relationship of equality and mutual benefit. We have no interest in hurting the general Indian population.

India establishment has demonstrated it's ongoing hegemonic tendencies - Bangladesh is exploring ways to counterbalance it and protect its national interests.
An actual war with India, no matter how justified, would hurt Bangladesh.
 
Bangladesh should look into annexing North East India states in the event of the war. Bangladesh can keep the lowly populated states while china gets back south tibet, sikkim and bhutan. All bangladesh needs is to do is build a strong network of tunnels and trenches with landmines and barb wire etc on the Western front and harass indians with fpv drones. On the Eastern flank bangladesh and china can annex the North East states that don't want to be part of India anyway.
You seem to have been away from China for too long. This is clearly not a strategy that aligns with Chinese thinking (I mean the Chinese way of thinking, not taking a Chinese stance).
 

This gives a new template to Bangladesh's foreign policy at a time when there have been strains over a Sheikh Hasina event in New Delhi even as both countries are working towards a reset in ties.​



Bangladesh Keen To Join Saudi-Pak-Turkey Defence Alliance, Says PM's Top Aide's Top Aide


Bangladesh is keen on joining a formation like the Mecca Pact, Close aide of Bangladesh Prime Minister Tarique Rahman has told Bangladesh Sangbad Sanstha (BSS), giving a new template to Bangladesh's foreign policy at a time when there have been strains over a Sheikh Hasina event in New Delhi even as both countries are working towards a reset in ties.

On the issue of Bangladesh being keen to join the Mecca pact, Ministry of External Affairs spokesperson Randhir Jaiswal said, "We continue to closely follow the developments in the West Asia region. We are keeping a close eye on that."

Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Turkey signed the joint defence agreement in Mecca earlier this month. For India, adding Bangladesh to this equation could present a new worry, as while India maintains close ties with Saudi Arabia, Pakistan is an enemy country, and ties with Bangladesh have seen recent hiccups.

The pact was signed in Mecca by Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan and Pakistani Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif.

The joint statement declared a "shared commitment to further strengthening their collective security and to promoting peace, security and stability in the region and beyond".

Hinting at a foreign policy of regional alliances and strategic balance, Rahman's foreign affairs advisor, Humayun Kabir, told BSS, "The government is following a 'Bangladesh First' policy. The government was pursuing a balanced foreign policy in the international arena, with national interests at its core."

"Bangladesh maintains a positive approach towards the possibility of joining an economic or defence framework involving Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Türkiye, taking into account its own interests and the changing dynamics of the global economy and trade,"
Kabir told Bangladesh Sangbad Sanstha.

Kabir said Rahman's visit to Riyadh, at the invitation of the Saudi Crown Prince, was likely to be finalised soon after the summer.

"At the same time, Bangladesh is strengthening its working bilateral relationship with Pakistan as part of normal diplomatic engagement, with a focus on trade and bilateral people-to-people connectivity," he said.

The "Mecca Joint Defence Agreement" is intended to strengthen collective deterrence against any act of aggression, and Pakistan's foreign ministry said it stipulates that an armed attack against any of the three would be regarded as an attack on all.

This statement from such a high-ranking official amidst Bangladesh making Sheikh Hasina the central focus of its engagement with India has implications for India's immediate neighbourhood.

Both Pakistan and Turkey have also voiced support for a maritime defence coalition, and Saudi Arabia has already announced plans to protect regional shipping and energy routes. If Bangladesh does join the Mecca pact, then it could also have new implications in the maritime domain.

Some analysts have described the Mecca pact as an Islamic NATO. While Bangladesh is considering joining the agreement, a formal defence agreement will add further stress to the India-Bangladesh bilateral relationship, as any engagement with Pakistan is going to be seen with suspicion, as Pakistan has in the past tried to gain a foothold in Bangladesh to push terror into India.
While it is always satisfying to watch Indian establishment sweat, Bangladesh government needs to shake off any such "sugar high" and assess the long term pros and cons of such a pact from strategic, geopolitical and economic lenses.

Here are just a handful of factors to chew on:

Pros:
1. This would depend what is actually written down in the agreement clauses, but this might be an opportunity to form a real defence alliance, where an attack on Bangladesh could be treated as an attack on all signatories. Pakistan and Turkey have strong militaries who are actually capable of intervening. Pakistan is nuclear armed.

While China is a great friend of Bangladesh, they would not intervene militarily to protect us.

2. Potential for greater access to NATO-standard military technology and better petroleum deals.

3. Potential preferential treatment for Bangladeshi workers in GCC.

4. Opportunity for Bangladeshi military to gain more combat experience for good pay, reducing dependency on dwindling UNPKO missions.



Cons:
1. Saudi Arabia and Turkey are heavily integrated into Western military technological ecosystems.
How compatible would a Chinese-hardware dependent Bangladeshi miilitary be in such an alliance?
2. Impact on economic and military relations with China. There is a good chance that Saudi Arabia would try to drag Bangladesh into hostilities against Iran, Yemen, etc. which goes against Chinese geopolitical interests.

3. Israel/Palestine situation - both Turkey and Saudi Arabia are covertly friendly towards Israel. Any attempt to use Bangladeshi resources to suppress anti-Israel actors (e.g.- Houthis, Hezbollah, Iran, etc.) would be unpopular in Bangladesh.
 
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First of all , bangladesh is not formally invited to join defense pact by the alliance .
Bangladesh will join only if it is invited by current members of alliance .
Till now bangladesh has not received any proposal from the members of alliance even if bangladesh is showing interest
 
You seem to have been away from China for too long. This is clearly not a strategy that aligns with Chinese thinking (I mean the Chinese way of thinking, not taking a Chinese stance).

Are you saying all chinese think the same everywhere in the world like brainless robots? I dont know if your some autistic guy but I can assure you that we all have different artistic views of describing and seeing the world.

You see the difference between you and me is artistic imagination. You don't have that so you try to condemn those that do. You just want to follow the facts and numbers on a screen and try to act like a little dictator when someone doesn't agree with your autistic views of the world.
 
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I realise that you might be choosing to be hyperbolic, but Bangladesh's own independence movement and the Vietnam war serve as recent examples that demonstrate you cannot retain control over a territory without organic support from the native population. NE Indians have no interest in join Bangladesh.
Besides, Bangladesh is not looking for enemity with India - all we want is a relationship of equality and mutual benefit. We have no interest in hurting the general Indian population.

India establishment has demonstrated it's ongoing hegemonic tendencies - Bangladesh is exploring ways to counterbalance it and protect its national interests.
An actual war with India, no matter how justified, would hurt Bangladesh.
We are talking about war, that's the whole point of a military alliance and pact. I just explained what you could do from my opinion.

If you dont want war, dont join a military pact. In this new era of dog eat dog. U either weak and get devoured sooner or later or you devour others. What are you?
 

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