Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ChineseTiger1986]

End game deny China oil and gas

Surrounding Iran has always been about denying Russian access to Oceans in Arab/Persian Gulf and now also China

Even the important Zio-MAGA figure like Mike Flynn has already openly admitted that the endgame of war against Iran is always China.

I don't want to boast China's highlight spot in that threat, but I am trying to push the Iranian leadership to act harder, but also a stimulant to boost those passive Chinese leadership as well.

You cannot always be responsive to your enemy, and need to act pre-emptively.

 

[muz]

Is it over?

Pretty much as of now
Looks like we are pretty much in the Final Phase

 

[The Stoic]

Say that to Modi and bakhts. West wants India to remain a pain in the a$$ for eastern bloc, they know that the indians possess a false sense of superiority as a trauma response to centuries of being ruled by everyone but themselves.

Every One in Asia is still ruled by west.

 

[SaadH]

The J-36 can reach the flight altitude of 100K feet, and even the old F-22 can fly higher than the B-2.

Heck even the Mig 21s and Mirage 3's can reach 50K altitude.

 

[RescueRanger]

True or not?

Will be difficult for Iran

You will see the Iranians have positioned several naval vessels - but there are NATO and US Navy vessels in the region too. I have highlighted a Joint - Australian /NATO vessel in the TOP left corner to explain this.

 

[EyelessInGaza]

I believe that the Iranian regime is now grappling with the possible question of it’s own political survival.

The military theatre, while dramatic,
is only a small part of the classical US play book we have seen decades ago in South America, then later on in Libya and Syria. Regime change. That’s the goal and the US has gotten serious about it.

Thing is, Iran isn’t a weak political structure like Libya or Syria, so it won’t be easy at all. But playing realpolitik would mean Iran de- escalating to fight another day.

They sure as heck cannot or shouldn’t escalate with the US in the picture. That won’t end well. Unless the Iranian regime wants to go done in flames

This is not a commentary on the Iranian people who have fought courageously at a time when few did. But this round is done.

 

[chinesedragon912]

US and Israel is crushing Iran and Middle East. Religion is never above Science

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

I am just taking about possibilities it is a GBU not a tunnel boring machine..... By your estimates a hypersonic at mach 10 should penetrate 10 km deep into earth regardless of if it lands on water , Stone or soil ....

I never made any estimates.

However, there is sufficient on-line tools available that with certain assumptions regarding angle of impact, coefficient of drag on the GBU, terminal velocity, and the density of solid granite (SpGr is 2.7-2.9 IIRC), you can make assumptions on depth of penetration.

Then, and this is where the weaponeers and their wonder-software comes in. Based on the shape of the charge, velocity and direction of the explosion, the models would have told them A: just how deep each bomb would penetrate prior to explosion, added depth of the explosion, and how close subsequent hits would have to be to keep up that momentum.

 

[Forsvaret]

Iran must quietly leave this war…

Ah, NO, it doesn’t work like that after the Iranian mullah regime has continuously called for the death of Israel and USA since the Islamic revolution of 1979.

 

[Watandar]

lol. The people’s revolution was against the Shah of Iran, and not for the installment for a permanent mullah autocratic regime in Iran.

The people's revolution had a strong Islamic component and its main leader was Khomeini. If Iran had been left alone after revolution, its possible things would have turned out differently. But Iran was immediately attacked by Saddam and his GCC/Western sponsors.

This has happened before in history as well. Russian revolution that overthrew Czar in 1918 was also a partnership between different groups but eventually the communists were the ones who took control and formed the govt.

 

[GWXP]

 

[StormBreaker]

Every One in Asia is still ruled by west.

There's a difference between pretending to be ruled VS wanting to be ruled to fulfill their own negative desires.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Well, it's one thing to not support Trump on Iran Policy, it's another thing to remove him and get JD Vance in, that would completely end the brand MAGA and GOP for the next decade if they turn on Trump. Dem remove him, that's okay, but if it was the GOP effort, that will piss off most voting base, the chance of GOP to get both house next year in Mid-Term is as low as it can be, why make it lower?

No difference for Iran whether it is GOP or Democrat.

The GOP always to bomb them back to stone age.

While the Democrats always want to pretend to be their friend, while keep promoting those pro-west stooges to take over the country.

 

[ToqeLowkey]

Iran shouldn’t call it quit because all bets are lost the Zionist would now start bombing Iran on regular bases every now and then . Best thing for Iran is to concentrate more missiles on tal aviv and dump it to the ground. Keep attacking tal aviv until they call for ceasefire

 

[brainsucker]

It is about Iran vs Israel on the surface, but the grand scheme is China vs the US.

Everyone knows that.

So sometimes the mods need to be a little a bit loose about being involved more of China/US.

Otherwise, we can never explore/understand the true nature of these confrontations, while only focus on the superficial parts.

I agree. If we can play wei qi / go chess we can understand this situation better. US want to surround and kill china.