Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Cash gk]

I believe the Americans and Israelis have realized that the Iranians have started integrating Chinese systems into their missiles, making them significantly harder to detect. This development poses a serious threat—if the Iranians fully replace GPS with China’s BeiDou navigation system, Western air defence systems, including those of the U.S., Israel, and the U.K., would become highly exposed and far less effective. That’s likely why they saw it as wiser to agree to a ceasefire. One major outcome of this situation is that countries that were previously intimidated may now feel more confident. For example, Egypt possesses a powerful air force and vast weaponry. Saudi Arabia also has considerable air power. Pakistan not only has a capable air force but also nuclear weapons. The recent confrontation has certainly dealt a blow to Israel’s image of air superiority.

 

[That_Guy]

Iran did not achieve any kind of strategic victory. That's a delusional take.

They achieved a few tactical victories.

However, we know their air defenses were actually destroyed after TP2 as Israel claimed and their airspace is now open to Israeli attacks.

The only way this turns into a strategy victory is if they now actually weaponize their nuclear program and race to a nuclear weapon, and successfully test one.

A strategic victory isn't domination over the enemy.

Strategic victory merely means that you came out better than expected at the end of the war, and weren't defeated.

Iran's nuclear program has not been compromised in any form of negotiations.

Iran's command and control remains intact.

Iran's leadership has survived (an admittedly, very weak attempt at) a regime change attempt.

Their missile production remains in tact.

They managed to do considerable damage to Israel, and deplete their air defenses.

They managed to get to the end of the war in tact.

Its a strategic victory.

The Iranians didn't manage to gain the over all tactical edge throughout the war. While they managed to hit Israel and deplete their air defenses, Israel was doing a decent job of hunting down launchers and missiles bring transported.

Iran's missile inventory has likely depleted to a large extent through out this war.

Thus it was not an over all tactical victory for thr Iranians.

 

[R2D2]

Which resistance? Hezbollah said it’s not in their interest to fight, offered 0 support. Iraqi resistance were completely absent. Only one who offered support was Houthi

They will get emboldened again in due time. Also Africa is a fertile ground for new axis members.

 

[OldTwilight]

Some mossad thugs in the system will promote fierce islamism and horrible laws to destroy the economy (like the different dollar rates to steal subsidies massively), subsidized fuel etc.

The cost of this war was very high for IR leadership, probably they don't make unconventional decision on internal matter anymore and have to listen to common sense.
The system was on path correction especially in last year of Raisi and first year of Pezeshkian ...

But the amount of damage and very harsh sanction and constant external threats slowed everything ...

 

[mangekyo]

People tend to forget that Iran is country and has infrastructure and people who want to live their lives ...
Most countries don't even dare to say a polite "No" to USA and want Iran to fight with entirety of NATO and lose its infrastructure and a generation of its people lives to be ruined ....

we don't need to prove ourselves to anyone ... no one directly helped us in this conflict, we were on our own, we have to make hard and harsh decision ....

We just need be cautious and rebuild our strength from this moment ...

We should leave the Arabs to themselves. They have proven they’re only in it for the money and have no will or vision of fighting the greater cause, which is liberating our region from Zionist hegemony backed by American weapons.

You never believed me, but I’ve said time after time that even HAMAS would turn on us and join Arab league if we liberate quds for them.

We need to find another deterrence, our western flank is extremely vulnerable, especially with NATO turkey on our border.

IRI needs to seriously rewrite their strategy. It’s time to be creative again, but do we even have someone competent enough to start a new approach, is IRI willing or are they going to stick to their old methods? Only way I see we can succeed is if we retire the oldies and bring in a fresh young generation with completely different views and a larger appetite

 

[Cash gk]

People tend to forget that Iran is country and has infrastructure and people who want to live their lives ...
Most countries don't even dare to say a polite "No" to USA and want Iran to fight with entirety of NATO and lose its infrastructure and a generation of its people lives to be ruined ....

we don't need to prove ourselves to anyone ... no one directly helped us in this conflict, we were on our own, we have to make hard and harsh decision ....

We just need be cautious and rebuild our strength from this moment ...

Since 2016, two countries have successfully resisted American regime change attempts: Turkey and Iran.
• Turkey stood firm during the 2016 coup attempt, with its people taking to the streets and its leadership refusing to bow down.
• Iran faced relentless attack by America, Israel and West and sanctions, sabotage, assassinations, and cyber attacks — yet its system didn’t collapse, nor did it hand over its sovereignty.

And then there’s Pakistan…
The only country where the so-called “guardians of national security” rolled over without a single drone fired. They didn’t just surrender — they delivered their own elected Prime Minister on a silver platter, threw him in jail, and called it “strategic maturity.” What a joke. When others stood tall, Pakistan’s generals were busy taking selfies with imported scripts and imported mast

 

[OldTwilight]

A strategic victory isn't domination over the enemy.

Strategic victory merely means that you came out better than expected at the end of the war, and weren't defeated.

Iran's nuclear program has not been compromised in any form of negotiations.

Iran's command and control remains intact.

Iran's leadership has survived (an admittedly, very weak attempt at) a regime change attempt.

Their missile production remains in tact.

They managed to do considerable damage to Israel, and deplete their air defenses.

They managed to get to the end of the war in tact.

Its a strategic victory.

The Iranians didn't manage to gain the over all tactical edge throughout the war. While they managed to hit Israel and deplete their air defenses, Israel was doing a decent job of hunting down launchers and missiles bring transported.

Iran's missile inventory has likely depleted to a large extent through out this war.

We didn't start the war , from first hours of war , our strategic goal was to
1- Preserve Iran integrity
2- Preserve I.R
3- Don't accept any humiliation

people really forget what our situation was in 3 first day of war .

 

[OldTwilight]

They aren’t willing to sell. At least they haven’t in the past and I don’t see that changing anytime soon

We should at least buy 150 JF-17 B3 or something with same capabilities ...

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

The cost of this war was very high for IR leadership, probably they don't make unconventional decision on internal matter anymore and have to listen to common sense.
The system was on path correction especially in last year of Raisi and first year of Pezeshkian ...

But the amount of damage and very harsh sanction and constant external threats slowed everything ...

They have to put people with knowledge in the right position. People didnt betray the system, now they should not get high on this, they should give the people space to participate to improve and change the system. Ofcourse the mossad elements will try to prevent this nightmare scenario (for them).

 

[vmro]

When nepotism and corruption is allowed to increase by our dear leader and thiefs like shamkhani and ghalibaf, it's very easy for mossad to enter the game.
I've been saying this for more than 10 years. This system always runs behind the facts, passive, never pro-active. Bunch of clerical thugs put in certain positions instead of fierce nationalists and technocrats.
Same reason for losing Syria to bunch of terrorists.

Are they Tajiks or Pashto in majority, those Afghans in Iran...i found the number of millions of them in Iran???

 

[tsunset]

Iran will retaliate on any kind of ceasefire violation by Israel (as they loved to do on Lebanon and Gaza)

 

[Cash gk]

Israelis are demanding to bomb Washington. This is interesting.

 

[pashtunkoum]

Hezbollah betrayed us. It's time to throw them under the bus.
Not only Iraqi resistance did nothing, but the Iraqi sky was like an 8-lane expressway for the Israeli Air Force to move back and forth from Israel to Iran. They exerted zero pressure on their government for this.
Hamas and Palestinians stayed away completely. This could've been an opportunity for a new intifada. We could've hit Israel's anti-riot and police forces to help them, but the Palestinians were unwilling to participate in the war, it seems. Hamas didn't even fire rockets during the war. I don't blame the Palestinians though, they've been through a lot in the last 2 years, but they missed an opportunity.

Only the Houthies of Yemen proved to be at least potentially useful, even though one could argue that they didn't do much besides firing a single missile (maybe two?) during the war, but still, they showed willingness to help us. That's more than what the other members of the so-called "Axis of Resistance" did.

Hezb is already suffering from low PR.

If they had joined all missiles would be launched at Lebanon. That would not be strategic at all. You can't drag other nations into wars like that.

 

[OldTwilight]

Hezbollah, HAMAS and Iraqis thought we would lose the war and saw no reason to join the «losing side»

I doubt IR can convince people to continue supporting these groups financially ... In fact, most Iranians are against spending even 1 $ on any foreign groups ...

 

[Tamerlane]

You are spreading so much rubbish in this thread about Pakistan being next. Stop posting that Bullshit everytime.

There are so many differences between Pakistan and Iran.

- Pakistan already got nukes
- Pakistan has a reliable lifeline in China
- Pakistan is not threatening to nuke Israel
- Pakistan isn‘t isolated internationally, on the contrary got good relations to many countries in the world.
- Pakistan is totally different gravy military-wise
- Pakistan only gets dangerous if it becomes unstable aka the military is weakened.
- Pakistan got a lifeline in China (again because that solely makes everything you say fantasy)

Stop that nonsense please

You just joined today and you’re already abusing an old member? Also, I notice that you pour scorn on any concept of Muslim unity. What exactly is your agenda?

Like all new members it must be assumed that you’re an Indian until proven otherwise.