$7.5 billion Sukhoi fighter upgrade begins, to involve Indian private sector in big way

 
samejjangir said:
India is not going for many variants of same weight class. It is mainly focusing on light - LCA, Medium - Rafale (indigenised with Kaveri engine and LCA avionics & equipments), Heavy - Su30, stealth - AMCA & Naval - TEDBF. Basically 4 variants for airforce & 1 variant for navy is all India is seeking.
India does not intend to have plethora of heavy planes. PLAAF has plans for mostly heavy planes with only J10 being medium ones. This is likely due to India not being rich in petroleum reserves and hence not intending to waste fuel during wartime where not needed
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China is rich in petroleum reserves?
 
GaN based AESA radar, new mission computer , LR dual band-IRST, NG-RWR, DC-MAWS, GaN based ASPJ, new Digital Flight Control Computer, digital glass cockpit, towed X guard decoy, RAM coating possibly, HUD, indigenous SDR, new FBW, Chemring Countermeasures featuring Chaff Cartridges unlike the previous Flares utilized by Indian Flankers,,
IRST will be based on quantum dot infrared photodetector which is significantly sensitive than Quantum well infrared photodetector
May be the DC-maws be based on it..
Improved Air-frame life
Chassis wheels braking system,
Modern digital weapons control system.

And obviously weapon systems upgrade.
 
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Falcon26 said:
China is rich in petroleum reserves?
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China has 20-25 billion barrels of petroleum reserves. Till 1990, China was exporting oil. Also, China has huge coal reserves which can be used to make diesel/Kerosene by coal liquefaction.
 

IAF upgradation plan aims to operate Su-30MKI fleet till mid-2050s​


The Indian Air Force (IAF) has its Su-30MKI fighter jets ready for a long trip. These potent aircraft are expected to remain in service until the middle of the 50s thanks to a suggested integration and upgrade program.

This ambitious aim is contingent upon a major increase in domestic participation in the Su-30MKI program. Through this modification process, the IAF hopes to achieve an astounding 78% indigenization of the fighter aircraft. This will effectively turn the Su-30MKI from a Russian platform into an aircraft that is mostly constructed and maintained in India.

Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) has been tasked by the IAF with investigating ways to prolong the lifespan of the Su-30MKI fleet in order to meet the operational target by 2050. At present, the service life of a single Su-30MKI is around 6,000 flight hours, which translates to approximately 30–40 years of operation.


The IAF wants to increase this by 1,500 hours, which could give each aircraft an extra 10 to 15 years of service.

Working with the Gas Turbine Research Establishment (GTRE) to create domestic modifications for the AL-31F engine that drives the Su-30MKI is a crucial component of this life extension plan.

This is especially important as HAL currently produces a sizable 87.7% of the engine’s parts in India. These engines’ operating life will be prolonged by domestic upgrades, which will additionally

The final two Su-30MKI units built under a prior order in 2021 were just delivered to the IAF. The go-ahead was then given for HAL to produce 12 more Su-30MKIs. New aircraft will take the place of a Su-30MKI that was lost in an accident back in 2001.

The aircraft will require minimal Russian assistance after all Indian enhancements suggested by the HAL are implemented, including new avionics, AESA radar, mission computer, IRST system, and all other significant Russian sensors that are to be replaced with Indian ones. The Airframe’s sturdy construction will guarantee that aircraft life extension is possible even in the absence of OEM support.
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IAF upgradation plan aims to operate Su-30MKI fleet till mid-2050s

This ambitious aim is contingent upon a major increase in domestic participation in the Su-30MKI program. Through this modification process, the IAF hopes to achieve an astounding 78% indigenization of the fighter aircraft. This will effectively turn the Su-30MKI from a Russian platform into an...
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It's good news certain Pakistan posters are critical saying the upgrade deal has not been signed so no delivery date

It's cleared funding in n place upgrade has started full.stop

Should be beast capable of picking f16 and thunders and j10 at ranges of 300 km
With SFDR Astra three bvr capable of engaging at 350 km the big rcs criticism become irrelevant..
Your dead anyway
 
Falcon26 said:
India should have used the SU-30MKIs as the basis for its future fleet, much like the way the PLAAF has done. The Chinese created a totally new line of fighter jets based on the Sukhios but with much advanced capabilities. India on the other hand, spent decades trying to decide which aircraft to import and in the end the LCA aircraft is still not widely inducted.
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They had a good deal for MIG-35 with complete ToT and a manufacturing line
 
Unless its mated with a credible firing solution aka A2A missile with effective range of 120+ and an extended kill envelope, having an AESA looking as far as 400 Km wont help.

You must acquire the capability to look far and shoot first, together.
 
PoKeMon said:
Unless its mated with a credible firing solution aka A2A missile with effective range of 120+ and an extended kill envelope, having an AESA looking as far as 400 Km wont help.

You must acquire the capability to look far and shoot first, together.
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You obviously have not been following the top secret progress of the Astra family of missles
All three Astra types have been tested first on the su30mki for verification

Astra one is already in service with both mki And Tejas
Astra two has had numerous tests already maybe in service limited no's with 160km
SFDR ramjet version tested secretly earlier this year
In short
Super mki will carry a formidable load of Indian bvrs with Uttam Aesa gan radar

Russian missiles are being replaced

Su30mki is now the super mki and is indengious Indian technology
 
harpy1 said:
You obviously have not been following the top secret progress of the Astra family of missles
All three Astra types have been tested first on the su30mki for verification
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If one is able to follow and know the details, the program cant be called top secret, heck not even a secret.

I do not go by the range numbers, but by kill probability when a missile engage in extended range. Missiles effectiveness take a nose dive beyond 30-40% of their max range, and the kind of seeker used along with propulsion to maintain the momentum through out determine how effective will be the missile.

Let Astra Mk2/3 perform in real world, let that top secret be out, if not in full but from credible sources, then we can talk.
 
Yes
I agree kill probability and nez is more important than range and speed
So anti jamming weight of middle howcit changes course etc mid flight are vital

But I'm confident about Indian missile technology
Why because they have been sending rockets into space for thirty years
They know their shit ....pardon the pun
They have used both russian missiles and french and Israeli they see what works what does not
Astra,one is amraam.c level.
Astra two 80% efficiency of meteore at one quarter the cost range 160km
Finally Astra SFDR ramjet a whole new ball Game max range 300km for tankers Awacs and 200km fighters
Astra,is a whole family of bvrs not just one missle
 
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