Discussion: Electronic devices based attack in Lebanon

[maverick]

wow, zionist regime has control of global supply chain along with countries heads..

it should be called octopus regime

 

[UKBengali]

I disagree with the assumption that Hezbollah is lacking in security. Hezbollah is an experienced side but it is taking its chances with a competent force so anything can go wrong at any point in time.

How hard is to to rip apart a sample of pagers and check for explosives?

An explosive looks like nothing else inside an electronic device and would be very obvious.

It is the height of blundering to distribute thousands of pagers without being sure they have not been tampered with.

 

[Guynextdoor]

I disagree with the assumption that Hezbollah is lacking in security. Hezbollah is an experienced side but it is taking its chances with a competent force so anything can go wrong at any point in time.

What 'security failure' in any case?

a) If Israel put in a software to 'overheat' the batteries and make them explode would hizbulla be able to stop it? Absolutely not. You think they have engineers who will review line by line the code to figure out what's happening?
b)If israel put in explosive batteries would hizbolla have been able to detect it? No.

Now that this has happened they may do some sample checks I guess. but th bigger point is no secuirty failure. Israel has capabilties that Hizbulla doesn't have the ability to detect or stop.

 

[hussain0216]

wow, zionist regime has control of global supply chain along with countries heads..

it should be called octopus regime

The Taiwanese manufacturer says the pagers were made in Europe/Hungary

It's very conceivable that Hungary being a right wing Eastern European state with ties to Israel allowed this

Increasingly European or U.S products and technology could be a risk and these organisations need to diversify, use Chinese and other products

 

[Guynextdoor]

How hard is to to rip apart a sample of pagers and check for explosives?

An explosive looks like nothing else inside an electronic device and would be very obvious.

It is the height of blundering to distribute thousands of pagers without being sure they have not been tampered with.

And if Israel put in explosives painted in the colors of a battery you think Hizbulla geniuses had the ability to identify it? It's just a rag tag militia.

 

[Developereo]

I do not buy that it would be easy to hide the explosive within the battery as it is not that difficult to detect for the presence of explosives. Literally pull the device apart and see whether there is any explosive material hidden in anything, including inside the battery.

It might be more practical to use devices or dogs that can detect explosives. I don't know how sensitive they can be and whether they would have detected such small amounts in a pager.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Not related to Iran moved to middle east section.

 

[Guynextdoor]

Thousands at the same time?

I was just proposing a hypothetical

 

[UKBengali]

What 'security failure' in any case?

a) If Israel put in a software to 'overheat' the batteries and make them explode would hizbulla be able to stop it? Absolutely not. You think they have engineers who will review line by line the code to figure out what's happening?
b)If israel put in explosive batteries would hizbolla have been able to detect it? No.

Now that this has happened they may do some sample checks I guess. but th bigger point is no secuirty failure. Israel has capabilties that Hizbulla doesn't have the ability to detect or stop.

Stop overflating the capabilities of the Zionist settlers.

This is just a mass blunder and incompetence from Hezbollah.

The silver lining is this is a one-time event that can never be repeated and Hezbollah would need to look at its security procedures across the board after this monumental simple security failure.

If you understood the basics of physics, you would know that it is impossible to make thousands of batteries explode simultaneously remotely like that. Physics would say no.

 

[BHAN85]

The only question is that how did all the pagers explode at the same time.

what is the question?

Broadcast message to all pagers, firmware modified to send a signal to a battery circuit when message "X" is received, circuit inside battery pack does shortcircuit when the signal is received, and the battery shorcircuit sparks trigger the detonation.

 

[UKBengali]

It might be more practical to use devices or dogs that can detect explosives. I don't know how sensitive they can be and whether they would have detected such small amounts in a pager.

Whichever method Hezbollah should have used, this should never have happened and have just turned them into a laughing stock.

I really feel sorry for the Hezbollah members and bystanders that got killed/injured because of this. They deserved much better from Hezbollah leadership.

 

[Developereo]

The concept is worthless.

The execution is the gold.

There is nothing 'gold' about indiscriminate targeting.

This was indiscriminate targeting because the Israelis had no way of knowing who would be looking at a pager when it beeped. It might have been someone's kid.

French TV newspaper said yesterday evening that this pager was given only to Hezbollah members.
Unfortunately there was some civilian casulaties, including a young girl.

Western media is just promoting Israeli propaganda.

Under international law, it is a war crime to target anyone who is not an active duty soldier. Even reservists are considered off limits, so Israel just committed a war crime.

 

[LeGenD]

How hard is to to rip apart a sample of pagers and check for explosives?

An explosive looks like nothing else inside an electronic device and would be very obvious.

It is the height of blundering to distribute thousands of pagers without being sure they have not been tampered with.

Hezbollah was aware of its communications being infiltrated and this is why they decided to try new devices only to face a remote attack.

I found this:

"Israel carried out its operation against Hezbollah on Tuesday by hiding explosive material within a new batch of Taiwanese-made pagers imported into Lebanon, according to American and other officials briefed on the operation.

The pagers, which Hezbollah had ordered from Gold Apollo in Taiwan, had been tampered with before they reached Lebanon, according to some of the officials. Most were the company’s AR924 model, though three other Gold Apollo models were also included in the shipment.

The explosive material, as little as one to two ounces, was implanted next to the battery in each pager, two of the officials said. A switch was also embedded that could be triggered remotely to detonate the explosives.

At 3:30 p.m. in Lebanon, the pagers received a message that appeared as though it was coming from Hezbollah’s leadership, two of the officials said. Instead, the message activated the explosives. Lebanon’s health minister told state media at least 11 people were killed and more than 2,700 injured.

The devices were programmed to beep for several seconds before exploding, according to three of the officials."

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/17/world/middleeast/israel-hezbollah-pagers-explosives.html

Two ounces might not be easy to detect.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Hungarian company built Hezbollah’s exploding pagers, Taiwanese firm says

Thousands were wounded in a simultaneous explosive strike across Lebanon on Tuesday.

www.politico.eu

But the Taiwan-based company said in a statement that the AR-924 model used in the attack was manufactured and sold by a Hungarian company called BAC Consulting, which had a license to use its brand on the pagers.

“According to the cooperation agreement, we authorize BAC to use our brand trademark for product sales in designated regions, but the design and manufacturing of the products are solely the responsibility of BAC,” Gold Apollo’s statement said. “Our company only provides the brand trademark authorization and is not involved in the design or manufacturing of this product.”

The Taiwanese manufacturer says the pagers were made in Europe/Hungary

It's very conceivable that Hungary being a right wing Eastern European state with ties to Israel allowed this

Increasingly European or U.S products and technology could be a risk and these organisations need to diversify, use Chinese and other products

Obviously they have gone out of their way to have a company in Hungary make these pagers instead of China/Taiwan.

Sounds like it was because they don't trust them either.

 

[Developereo]

Whichever method Hezbollah should have used, this should never have happened and have just turned them into a laughing stock.

I really feel sorry for the Hezbollah members and bystanders that got killed/injured because of this. They deserved much better from Hezbollah leadership.

We all know what a basket case our societies are, and this includes our Middle Eastern cousins.

Look at how the US and Israel reacted to terrorist attacks; how they completely revamped their society and first responder networks across their country.

Now compare to any typical Middle Eastern country, including Pakistan. What a sad joke. These countries have zero regard for the safety of their own citizens.