Egyptian Armed Forces
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Sami_1
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The issue is easier than many expect. Egypt is a large country, but its air force is supposed to be large because it has deep interests in Africa and the Middle East. It faces many challenges that put everyone in a state of intense competition to obtain the best available. Egypt cannot rely on a single source, no matter who it is. Egypt targets technology transfer from South Korea, and the same applies to France and China. Neither offers everything, but rather allows something. Therefore, Egypt deals with everyone and pressures everyone to obtain what meets its needs.
The available and mature fifth-generation fighters are Chinese. The Chinese J-35 fighter jet relies on technology previously developed for the J-20 fighter jet.
Apart from that, Egypt has another approach: to be a weapons factory for export to Africa. That is, the Eastern Aircraft Factory in western Egypt is dedicated to Eastern fighters. Therefore, negotiations with China and the Russians are ongoing.
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The South Korean side is a state subordinate to America, so America can exert pressure on South Korea to prevent technical cooperation, even if Egypt plays the North Korea card to pressure South Korea. However, Egypt is trying to obtain the greatest possible benefits. The goal is not the FA-50, but rather The independence of developing the F-16 fighter jet and manufacturing its spare parts in the event of tense relations with the United States and an American arms embargo. Korean aircraft rely on GE engines, which the United States can ban. The Koreans rely on the American Rafale Phantom Strike. Egypt requested a Korean ESR-500 radar and transferred the technology to develop a later, larger version for integration into part of the F-16 fleet.
The Turks and Egypt do not consider the KAAN project a quick entry into service because the Turks do not possess a real engine for a fifth-generation fighter. Therefore, cooperation with them on fighter aircraft will be subsidiary and partial.
The Chief of Staff's visit was related to discussing cooperation in the Egyptian production of special, upgraded versions of the T-129, provided that the engine is developed with a thrust capacity of 1,740 hp, simply to match the capabilities of the AH-64, and as a pressure tool on the Chinese.
The Turks also offered the KIZILEMA UCAV, which will be locally produced according to the required Egyptian specifications. However, the aircraft will also be produced in Türkiye by 2026. Any upgraded version for Egypt would require years, so Egypt quickly turned to the WJ-700, manufacturing it in cooperation with China in large numbers. This was a temporary and highly concentrated replacement for the existing UCAV drones. The Turks are also offering IFVs manufactured in the massive Egyptian Military Factory 200, as well as air defense systems. Egypt has an F-16 fighter development program, with approximately 140 upgradeable aircraft, and is seeking multiple sources. On the French side, the fall of the Rafale has put significant pressure on France.
The French are now cornered, especially with customers hesitant to purchase the Rafale, and some even want to reduce deals. According to some YouTube sources, an Egyptian military delegation visited Paris and discussed with the French the development and modernization of the Rafale to ensure its continued effective presence in theaters of operations. Egypt also wants to manufacture Rafale parts and spare parts locally and rebuild them locally, especially since the latest maintenance contract costs between $190 and $300 million.
Egypt is requesting higher technology transfer rates from the French. Egypt may even receive the payment from Indonesia if Indonesia rejects it, provided technical facilitations are provided and the integration of more non-European munitions is opened up. France is forced to agree.
The French will now announce a modernization program for the Rafale at their upcoming air show. What was revealed is that the current engine's capacity has reached 10 tons, and that India has signed a contract for it. The French will also offer a new version of the Snecma M88 engine with a thrust of 115 kilonewtons. The Rafale's airframe requires a 3 cm increase in the air intake capacity for each engine. The French are also offering to upgrade the MiG-29 by integrating the new Snecma M88 engine. This will provide significantly greater thrust and a smaller weight and size than the RD-33 engine, increasing the MiG-29's fuel capacity. The MiG-29's development program also includes an additional 1,800-2,000 liters of fuel for the MiG-29. Furthermore, the Snecma M88 engine consumes 6% less fuel, whether dry or afterburning, and 20% less fuel in afterburning. This will increase the MiG-29's performance by 30%. Egypt has proposed to France the development of advanced trainer aircraft using the M88 engine for the Egyptian Air Force, especially since American components are an obstacle to the South Korean FA-50 contract, whether the GE F-404 engine. France's provision of the M88 version with a thrust capacity of 25,800 lbs for an advanced light fighter trainer will unify the engine used in the Rafale, MIG-29, and ATF fighters simultaneously, allowing Egypt to produce the engine. The M88 is locally licensed and manufactured by a limited company to develop the engine factory.
Egypt will attempt to take advantage of the severely damaged reputation of French fighter aircraft to develop its own industry, especially as the truth about what happened on May 7, 2025, and China's excellent support for Pakistan are gradually being revealed.
On the other hand, Egypt has begun selecting specific technologies to revolutionize its armament. For example, the manufacture of the PL-15 missile, with its ongoing development, is being implemented to integrate it into the Egyptian fighter fleet, regardless of the so-called restrictions, especially since many of these restrictions are actually based on social media, which always views matters from the perspective of a lack of dynamics in the global arms market. When we mentioned two years ago that China's sale of the PL-15 missile to Pakistan was a response to India's acquisition of the METEOR missile, and that export restrictions are being bypassed to higher versions, as long as the METEOR missile has a range of 200 kilometers. Indeed, even the MICA-NG missile has a range of 160 kilometers, not 100-120 kilometers, this has created flexibility for all air-to-air missile suppliers. The supply of missiles with a longer range than permitted in 2015, especially from Russia, as a result of international competition and the impact of the India-Pakistan conflict, is forcing countries importing fighter jets to tighten their fighter equipment. Egypt is also moving toward producing a hypersonic missile domestically for integration into Egyptian fighter jets. Most likely, Egypt will move toward a missile weighing no more than 1 ton to integrate into the various Egyptian fighter jets, instead of producing a conventional subsonic missile with a range of 300-500 kilometers. Egypt is pursuing a policy of gradual reaping benefits and higher-impact weapons without spending huge sums on a wide range of weapons development to achieve the same effect. No one can take American and Israeli pressure seriously, as long as the United States itself considers Israel its most important asset. Egypt sees itself as more important than any American desires or even its restrictions. In the past, Egypt appeared to care about pleasing America, but secretly, Egypt does not trust America and does not care. Rather, it follows a policy of obtaining the greatest possible benefits in exchange for apparent acceptance. Claiming to pursue American interests, this is evident in Egypt's relationship with countries that the US views as being against its interests, such as China and Russia, in terms of military and economic cooperation, and even North Korea, with which it is currently clear that Egypt has not severed its military ties.
Since 2014, Egypt has been exploiting every available opportunity.
The deterioration of relations with the Russians led to Egypt quickly acquiring Mistral LHD warships at a low price.
Egypt took advantage of the near bankruptcy of German shipyards to sign contracts for submarines and MEKO-A200 frigates. When a new government came to power, it restricted cooperation with Egypt. Egypt subsequently reduced its military cooperation with Germany. The Germans are now having problems obtaining ammunition and weapon components due to their current limited production capacity and are seeking cooperation with Egypt. Egypt is requesting technology transfer.
Similarly, Egypt exploited the blockade on the Russians to obtain technology transfer for numerous Russian weapons, including UAV engines manufactured in Egypt with Russian support. Russian offers also included assistance in the local production of the SCLAP missile and the KH-69 missile, supplying it in large quantities. The Egyptian request was for technology transfer to produce an Egyptian hypersonic missile, just as South Korea obtained technology to produce Russian air defense systems and even armored vehicles using basic Russian technologies.
Egypt Arms producers exploit any crises to maximize their profits.
The Chinese seek economic expansion and the establishment of five industrial centers close to markets that could be subject to sanctions in the United States and Europe. They chose Egypt, and Egypt wants to cooperate with China through technology transfer. The Chinese have known Egypt's demand for many years. Accepting cooperation would be beneficial for both parties, but Egypt cannot trust any party, so it cooperates with everyone based on a win-win logic.
Oublious
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lol
France is 1 off the worst weapon suppliers, they denied Indian request for ther own weapon intregration. Egypt do not have nothing, thats the fact. Everything what is gived as Egyptian solution have nothing to do with tactical Data-link. Data Link works like sms message what is almost impossible to track or find it. A blackbox....
Ramses Akhenaten Ahmose
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Lmao your ignorance is showing as stated in my previous comment so congratulations for confirming that for me
“France is one of the worst weapons suppliers”
This alone is just a bunch of stupidity clumped in a statement. The French have ambitious goals to be a top weapons market for competition and profit worldwide. And can’t do so after Indias embarrassing performance
. Before more deals kicked off with them the French sourced multiple American components from the scalp missiles with euro/french ones to guarantee the sale of weaponry to counter ITAR restrictions. Since it was Egypt that advertised the capabilities of the rafale fighter in its fight against isis in North Africa and Sinai, more nations lined up for French quality. Not the Eurofighter or gripen E. This was a goldmine of an opportunity for France and made a damn fortune out of it all, WITHOUT undercutting capabilities. that’s why they’re expanding to double their aircraft and weapons manufacturing to meet the demands of domestic French requirements and foreign contracts, but somehow they’re the “worst supplier” rotfl! We haven’t even talked about the negotiations of the acquisitions of advanced scorpene and barracuda ocean class subs, as well as potentially more mirage 2000s and a330 refuel tankers. Or even their gowind corvettes to advance their capabilities. And because Egypt made it all possible the French are in debt to them even if it’s a limited one or delayed. Indias failure is a blessing in disguise as the uae now considers to cancel 40 of the 80 rafales it wants to purchase. As well as Indonesia thinking of pulling back on the deal. The French will absolutely cooperate with Egypt to save sales and because they acted as a “partner” in rafales export success. Which if successful, eaf will heavily reap the benefits of this event. And dont forget the f5 program which will def incorporate tech and mechanisms to now counter state of the art bvr missile tech as well and be apart of an even better and more interconnected network system. And have better low observable stealth capabilities just to name a few.
With the advent of risc3 system that mitigates most of sms network problems. A C5ISR system that not only interconnects Egypts weaponry and equipment together for more organized capabilities but also connecting all branches of the military when it comes to intel and situational awareness as well as data transfer for guarantee success. As well as integration of OSINT capabilities with all platforms, be it Russian, French, German, Chinese, Korean, Turkish, or even American resources in theory if need be along with domestic Egyptian products. Which combined together will already have a domestic CDL in the first place anyways.
Enough of this malarkey
Ramses Akhenaten Ahmose
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@The SC China also revealed their new kj 3000 AWACS platform last year and will definitely step up production of the system in conjunction to their aircraft carrier based kj 600. I sense a plan for Egypt to buy Chinese AWACS planes to replace their aging e-2’s. Possible candidates could be the kj-500 since it took part in Egypts training drills and eaf have the most familiarity with the system. Or the potential kj 600 since its design is similar to the Hawkeye but incorporating Chinese tech. If not those then easily the kj-200 since it’s not that old and is still a pretty potent platform.
Ramses Akhenaten Ahmose
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@The SC I gotta say, the balance beam of the kj 200 may not be as advanced as the third gen radome disc as that of the kj 500 and other models, but it’s good enough to be the radar model on Sweden's Saab erieye. Which is also good enough for me in cooperation with other more advanced AWACS crafts.
Ali_Baba
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EAF has 8 x Grumman E-2 Hawkeye AEW&C's, so it will be interesting if they feel the need to add more AEW&C capability.
Oublious
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Lmao your ignorance is showing as stated in my previous comment so congratulations for confirming that for me
“France is one of the worst weapons suppliers”
This alone is just a bunch of stupidity clumped in a statement. The French have ambitious goals to be a top weapons market for competition and profit worldwide. And can’t do so after Indias embarrassing performance
And because Egypt made it all possible the French are in debt to them even if it’s a limited one or delayed. Indias failure is a blessing in disguise as the uae now considers to cancel 40 of the 80 rafales it wants to purchase. As well as Indonesia thinking of pulling back on the deal. The French will absolutely cooperate with Egypt to save sales and because they acted as a “partner” in rafales export success. Which if successful, eaf will heavily reap the benefits of this event. And dont forget the f5 program which will def incorporate tech and mechanisms to now counter state of the art bvr missile tech as well and be apart of an even better and more interconnected network system. And have better low observable stealth capabilities just to name a few.
With the advent of risc3 system that mitigates most of sms network problems. A C5ISR system that not only interconnects Egypts weaponry and equipment together for more organized capabilities but also connecting all branches of the military when it comes to intel and situational awareness as well as data transfer for guarantee success. As well as integration of OSINT capabilities with all platforms, be it Russian, French, German, Chinese, Korean, Turkish, or even American resources in theory if need be along with domestic Egyptian products. Which combined together will already have a domestic CDL in the first place anyways.
Enough of this malarkey
Buying weapons like what Indians doing do not say much
, they did not gived acces for ther own missiles to be used on Rafale and he same goes for you. Coming back to data link, this is a Nato system so what Egypt did to communicate with other weapons what do not excist from a Nato data link you do have good stories.You can not ad something to send or recieve from the data-link. If they give you acces then it is possible but you are not a Nato member let alone strategic partner off Nato. So you people should stop spreading news about some kind fantasy systems.
. France do not have ther own data link they use Nato systems.Coming back to the Indians and France.
France Denies India Access to Rafale Source Codes
France has rejected India’s request to share source codes needed to integrate indigenous weapons into Rafale fighter jets. Despite repeated appeals, French manufacturer Dassault Aviation has refused to compromise on the issue
anewz.tv
Egypt do not have acces to Datalink and will face the same problems in a war.
The SC
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That is a lot of wishful thinking!Buying weapons like what Indians doing do not say much
You can not ad something to send or recieve from the data-link. If they give you acces then it is possible but you are not a Nato member let alone strategic partner off Nato. So you people should stop spreading news about some kind fantasy systems.
Coming back to the Indians and France.
France Denies India Access to Rafale Source Codes
France has rejected India’s request to share source codes needed to integrate indigenous weapons into Rafale fighter jets. Despite repeated appeals, French manufacturer Dassault Aviation has refused to compromise on the issue
Egypt do not have acces to Datalink and will face the same problems in a war.
Egypt has the Link-16 and many other links.. even more than that..The Egyptian Rafale got access for adding the UAE Al Tariq intelligent bomb..you should know that between Egypt and the UAE they bought 130 Rafales.. not 30 like India..and this makes a huge difference in access to the main components and source codes of the Rafale.. they both already had it with their Mirage 2000s..
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