First specs of Turkish AC project

AC for Somalia is overkill.

Assuming Turkish AC will be safe close to Egypt and Israel and all the way to Qatar, is dangerous.

Honestly it is a target.

Gibraltar is not much better either when the time comes.
I would assume it would be guarded by 2-3 TF-2000 Destroyers and other ships. It could be dangerous, but whom do we attribute that danger to? Either nation states or small pirate bands. In “peacetime” either a diplomatic issue or a low level policing issue.

Turkey doesn’t seem to be antagonizing Houthi rebels with anti-ship ballistic missiles, and even if they were, they have to make their destroyer to be capable of dealing with the threat.
 
I would assume it would be guarded by 2-3 TF-2000 Destroyers and other ships. It could be dangerous, but whom do we attribute that danger to? Either nation states or small pirate bands. In “peacetime” either a diplomatic issue or a low level policing issue.

Turkey doesn’t seem to be antagonizing Houthi rebels with anti-ship ballistic missiles, and even if they were, they have to make their destroyer to be capable of dealing with the threat.


Any nation can do tit tat to a vulnerable expensive AC.

Turkey would be the First Nation with no ocean access to have AC.

It would be like Russia assuming Marmara will stay open forever.
 
Any nation can do tit tat to a vulnerable expensive AC.

Turkey would be the First Nation with no ocean access to have AC.

It would be like Russia assuming Marmara will stay open forever.
The Turks may need two carrier battle groups and always have one stationed in the Indian Ocean region, just in case there is an issue with Suez and the Egyptian government.
 
The Turks may need two carrier battle groups and always have one stationed in the Indian Ocean region, just in case there is an issue with Suez and the Egyptian government.
If Turkiye stations one AC in Indian Ocean and if there is any issue with Egypt then how Turkiye is supposed to support that fleet??

I guess you are talking about cape of good hope..... very nice, faster and economical option.....
 
If Turkiye stations one AC in Indian Ocean and if there is any issue with Egypt then how Turkiye is supposed to support that fleet??

I guess you are talking about cape of good hope..... very nice, faster and economical option.....

There aren't any issue currently with the Egyptian govt. But Turkey has friendly ports in Pakistan, Qatar and Somalia for refueling/replenishment operations.

Either way the Suez issue is not something that affects Turkey only, any Western Power operating in the middle east has to go through either the Suez or go around Africa.
 
Well the moderator did.
@hyperman is not an idiot and has brought order and calm here. It would be nice if you also join in this collective but you seem to be debating me on non-issue we can solve between us.
Yes me 'sticking up for people' is a great trait and something you have benefited from a fair few times.
He's a clown nothing more. Two people are having a civilized discussion and he inserts himself where he's not needed because he holds a grudge against one.
It’s possible, it I’m trying to tie in Pakistan (and it’s expanding navy) to what Turkey is doing in a region Pakistan already operates in. It’s not completely off topic, so let’s see what the moderators decide.
We were discussing India's aircraft carrier as an example for whether or not aircraft carriers are worthwhile investments considering relative strategic needs but some idiotic mod came here and deleted all the posts
 
Go ahead and write it no problem here, it relates to Turkey direct as does the Somalia thing.
nope, no more long winded explanations or opinion pieces as long as this guy is a mod here. This is now a throwaway account.
 
He's a clown nothing more. Two people are having a civilized discussion and he inserts himself where he's not needed because he holds a grudge against one.

We were discussing India's aircraft carrier as an example for whether or not aircraft carriers are worthwhile investments considering relative strategic needs but some idiotic mod came here and deleted all the posts

It’s the sacrifice for the sake of discussion. We exchanged info and the conversation is in both our minds (and screenshots;)) We lost the old pdf due to what’s happening in Pakistan, so take it in stride. Think like a guerrilla (it feels like half our mods are Indian, so there is that as well), the terrain is not the pages of the thread but the minds of the participants.

Now we can go back to the discussion.

Tying in Pakistan to Turkish developments in the Indian Ocean region can be synergistic. Both countries want to stay out of great power competition and work on the basics; building capacity in new domains and from new axis’. Somalia with its long coast can tie in with East African and Trans-African (a possible rail link starting in Somalia through Kenya, all the way to Senegal) development. A Turkish carrier based in Mogadishu or better yet on the actual Horn of Africa could be a center point for ships transiting to and from the Red Sea. Qatari money could finance it with the right management and buy in from the Somali government.

A stable Somalia looks like a long shot investment but it’s a diamond in the rough, just bogged down in infighting. Turkey and Qatar can help mediate a long term solution, and that could open the way for Turkish and Qatari (and Pakistani) naval vessels to be based out of Somalia, and support the build up of a Somali military as well (a potential future customer for the JF-17 if we support them well, especially consider what we can learn from the sale to Azerbaijan; Sino-Pak jet, Sino-Pak weapons as well as Turkish weapons).

IMHO, Geopolitics will dictate the prospects for a Turkish carrier more than funding or technological capability.

We must define the players before we can define the game they would be playing.
 
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There aren't any issue currently with the Egyptian govt. But Turkey has friendly ports in Pakistan, Qatar and Somalia for refueling/replenishment operations.

Either way the Suez issue is not something that affects Turkey only, any Western Power operating in the middle east has to go through either the Suez or go around Africa.
So you are trying to suggest that Turkey can station it's AC fleet till eternity while relying on Pakistan, Qatar and others??

They need logistics and other support from mainland Turkey period.....

And don't compare Turkey with western nuclear powers who can open up suez or any canal if they decide.....

Egypt will behave as per their terms just a phone call is enough for Sisi types..... but the same Egypt is not obligated to listen to nonsense Turkish demands...... simply coz turkey isn't a world power..... This all your fantasy of Turkey stationing in IOR totally depends on Egyptian mood and it's that time relationship with Turkey....
 
So you are trying to suggest that Turkey can station it's AC fleet till eternity while relying on Pakistan, Qatar and others??

They need logistics and other support from mainland Turkey period.....

And don't compare Turkey with western nuclear powers who can open up suez or any canal if they decide.....

Egypt will behave as per their terms just a phone call is enough for Sisi types..... but the same Egypt is not obligated to listen to nonsense Turkish demands...... simply coz turkey isn't a world power..... This all your fantasy of Turkey stationing in IOR totally depends on Egyptian mood and it's that time relationship with Turkey....

Thats not what I said.

#1 The UK, France, Italy, Spain and any other power that wishes to operate in the middle east has the same restriction of going through the Suez. And no they cannot simply Bully Egypt to do whatever they want, they have to rely on good relations. The confrontation during the Suez crisis proved as much. These countries don't have this power.

#2 Turkey does not currently have beef with Egypt.(Turkey normalized relations and is currently selling drones to Egypt) And even when there were some disagreements, Ships were never restricted, as we saw Turkish Frigates even no operate in the region and pay port calls in Qatar and elsewhere, so again, Idk what your point is.

#3 My point with regards to the other ports in Pakistan, Qatar and Somalia, was that even in a unlikely hypothetical scenario where the suez is restricted(its not going to be restricted outside of a war with egypt, so its a moot point regardless), replenishment can still be made. For example, some US ships don't return back to the US for incredibly long amounts, and they are replenished via ports in the middle east, and even have seamen switch via flights to port cities and bases. Even in the worst case scenarios, the times where you actually need to return to home port(damage to ship that can't be repaired at a friendly port, etc etc), the rare trip around the horn is only a few weeks longer at sea.

this idea that you don't operate a carrier b/c of an unrealistic hypothetical war with Egypt is nonsense. By this logic, don't build anything and don't have any operations outside of a little pond in the eastern Mediterranean. The Turkey of the 60s, 70, 80s, is gone, Turkey has far more expansive interests and relations around the world and pursues them, its not restricted to the eastern Mediterranean.
 
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A stable Somalia looks like a long shot investment but it’s a diamond in the rough,
I haven't heard a single compelling argument for why that's important for Turkey.

It's a random country in Africa with no cultural ties with Turkey.

You know what's a diamond in the rough? Turkey. We could invest in Turkey. It's a crazy idea I know. I must be crazy.
 
I haven't heard a single compelling argument for why that's important for Turkey.

It's a random country in Africa with no cultural ties with Turkey.

You know what's a diamond in the rough? Turkey. We could invest in Turkey. It's a crazy idea I know. I must be crazy.
Why are you so negative? We are training the Somali army, we have a very big military base there. Somalis love us and we love them. What is wrong in helping them? There has been no stability in their country for a very long time.

Let's help them, let's invest, let's produce and let's develop together.
 
I promise you %1000 there's no work on VTOL Kaan and ther will never be.

These are blatant lies from a nobody. I just watched the video and this clown also claims that "F-16s will take off and land from this ship too"

Everybody does propaganda, and it's alright, but we would be stupid to believe in our own propaganda.

Turkey will use the 6th generation for aircraft carrier, they already have the Kilzimia capable of taking off from carrier so a new project like Kilzimia/Anka or upgraded versions fully AI capability, cyber, electronic warfare, better composite and stealth, better engine will take it to 6th generation level, like you said why spend alot of money and time on a carrier version which will not be ready before 2040, by that time China and USA will have 6th generation planes.
 
Why are you so negative? We are training the Somali army, we have a very big military base there. Somalis love us and we love them. What is wrong in helping them? There has been no stability in their country for a very long time.

Let's help them, let's invest, let's produce and let's develop together.
as far as I'm concerned It's a random country in Africa.

Throw a dart on the map let's invest in a random country why not
 

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