Gaza-Israel Conflict | 2023-2024

[Shadihassan28]

Educate me here, genuinely interested. How was celebrating Hanukkah linked with Zionism?

If we can’t respect other religious beliefs how can we expect others to respect ours. Zionism doesn’t equate to Judaism as Salafism doesn’t equate to Islam. Extreme groups like to pick and choose what they believe is their righteousness also forgot evangelical don’t equate to Christianity and so on and so on

 

[Shadihassan28]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/police-major-crimes-unit-raids-transportation-ministry-amid-probe-into-alleged-corruption/

Off topic a little but shows you how corrupt their whole government is

 

[RescueRanger]

If we can’t respect other religious beliefs how can we expect others to respect ours. Zionism doesn’t equate to Judaism as Salafism doesn’t equate to Islam. Extreme groups like to pick and choose what they believe is their righteousness also forgot evangelical don’t equate to Christianity and so on and so on

Perfect response. Thank you.

 

[Meengla]

That is a legitimate view if you thought that the Zionist agenda is to not expel and kill nearly all Palestinians out of Palestine before the balance of power changes.

No, @Indos strategy will not work in case of Israel-Palestine conflict. Israeli Jews are not stupid enough to let a growing Arab population in Palestine to threaten the Jews. Segments of the Israeli Jews are over-breeding to compete against the growing Arab population; they are also actively displacing Palestinians from settled areas of the West Bank; they are funding and encouraging immigration to Israel; they are also grabbing more and more land in East Jerusalem. The idea is to make the Palestinian lives so miserable that they would emigrate--as hundreds of thousands have--and the remaining ones would be reduced to boot-polishers at best. It is an active and vicious nation-killing plan, where 'Palestine' is a fiction and subjugation is 'normalized'.

 

[hussain0216]

If we can’t respect other religious beliefs how can we expect others to respect ours. Zionism doesn’t equate to Judaism as Salafism doesn’t equate to Islam. Extreme groups like to pick and choose what they believe is their righteousness also forgot evangelical don’t equate to Christianity and so on and so on

Fcuk em the world is unfair

Their should be no space for the Jew anywhere in the Muslim world and what they are doing today in Palestine will require vengeance to be reaped upon them

 

[S.Y.A]

Zionism doesn’t equate to Judaism

yes, it does, majority of jews, religious or otherwise, are zionists. the people you see protesting are a small minority. it is a natural consequence of their supremacist and "chosen people" belief.

 

[Shadihassan28]

yes, it does, majority of jews, religious or otherwise, are zionists. the people you see protesting are a small minority. it is a natural consequence of their supremacist and "chosen people" belief.

That’s your opinion can’t change what you believe.

 

[Solomon2]

Blaming Israel for Rescuing Its People​

Hamas hid four hostages in a crowded civilian area and fired on rescuers.​

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By The Editorial Board

June 9, 2024 2:43 pm ET

Rescued hostages (clockwise from top left) Almog Meir Jan, Noa Argamani, Andrey Kozlov and Shlomi Ziv were held by Hamas in Gaza and reunited with family in Israel on Saturday. PHOTO: ISRAELI ARMY/REUTERS

It’s rare good news in a grinding war. On Saturday Israeli commandos rescued four hostages from two civilian buildings near the heart of Gaza’s Nuseirat market. It was a high-risk but well-planned and -executed mission that is a morale boost for Israelis.

Arnon Zamora was killed while leading the rescue mission at the head of his force. He will go down in history with Yoni Netanyahu, the fallen leader of Israel’s 1976 raid to free hostages in Entebbe, Uganda.

Noa Argamani, age 26, Almog Meir Jan, 21, Andrey Kozlov, 27, and Shlomi Ziv, 40, were all abducted during the music-festival massacre. A video showed Ms. Argamani begging for her life. Eight months later she heard a knock on the door: “It’s the IDF, we’ve come to rescue you.” She can now visit her terminally ill mother. Mr. Jan was mobbed on his return by friends chanting, “He is one of us, and we will never give him up,” a refrain of sports teammates now given new meaning. Mr. Jan’s father died hours before his son’s return.

The non-surprise is that professional anti-Israel voices, United Nations officials and the European Union foreign-policy chief rushed to attack Israel. Egypt condemned the operation “in the strongest terms.” How dare Israel rescue its own citizens. Didn’t it know there would be casualties? The BBC asked whether Israel gave a warning that the rescue raid was coming. Seriously? A tip-off to terrorists? Perhaps read them Miranda rights too.

“BREAKING: Gaza’s Health Ministry says 274 Palestinians were killed during the Israeli operation,” reports the Associated Press, only 48 hours after it had exposed how the Hamas ministry’s daily death tolls are “at odds with underlying data.” When will the media stop taking the kidnappers at their word?

Haters of Israel will blame it and excuse Hamas every time, and the media are easily manipulated into playing along. The Hamas figure is likely inflated, and it includes the terrorists killed trying to stop the rescue as well as those who hid the hostages.

Hamas started the war with a massacre, took these hostages and hid them in a crowded civilian area. Then, when Israel came to free them, Hamas responded with heavy fire, including RPGs—yet people are condemning Israel. It makes us wonder if the West has lost the moral discernment and instinct for self-preservation needed to defend itself in a world of killers. Hamas could not survive if not for its enablers around the world.

https://www.wsj.com/video/series/wonder-land-henninger/wsj-opinion-dont-blame-israel-first/1F6BF64C-30D8-4584-A4B2-B2D3CD1D552A

Wonder Land: World opinion should impose more pressure on Hamas military leader Yahya Sinwar. Image: Mohammed Abed/AFP via Getty Images

https://www.wsj.com/articles/blaming-israel-for-rescuing-its-people-hamas-gaza-war-17581387?st=bzws8y07opjug1t&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

 

[Shadihassan28]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/reservist-with-ptsd-kills-himself-after-callup-order-family-demands-military-burial/

They’re starting to break this is a people who always thought these so called war between wars as little more than nuisance that can be won in a few days or a couple month. It really shows you how soft the idf has become how much they rely on their Air Force to fight their wars.

 

[Davey Crockett]

If we can’t respect other religious beliefs how can we expect others to respect ours. Zionism doesn’t equate to Judaism as Salafism doesn’t equate to Islam. Extreme groups like to pick and choose what they believe is their righteousness also forgot evangelical don’t equate to Christianity and so on and so on

Trying to understand, looked up....

Salafi movement - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Can you please put in layman's terms why Salafism doesn’t equate to Islam?

 

[Solomon2]

Gaza health ministry says Israeli hostage rescue killed 274 Palestinians​

A cameraman films while smoke plumes billow during Israeli air strikes in Gaza City on October 12, 2023. (Mohammed Abed via Getty Images)

Why We Shouldn’t Trust ‘The Facts’ Coming Out of Gaza​

Abdalla al-Jamal was a ‘journalist.’ He was also guarding hostages for Hamas.

By Eli Lake
June 9, 2024
https://www.thefp.com/p/why-we-shouldnt-trust-the-facts-coming#
Imagine, if you will, living during the Iranian hostage crisis in 1979. You come upon an article in a small progressive newspaper, describing how the CIA had a plan to poison the water supply in Tehran. Later, you learn that the reporter who wrote that piece was one of the people responsible for keeping U.S. citizens hostage at the embassy. You’d probably start doubting that reporter, his outlet, and whether news can actually be reported from inside the Ayatollah’s Islamic Republic.

Well, that’s pretty much what happened in Gaza.

After Israel rescued four Hamas hostages over the weekend, Israel Defense Forces said that three detainees had been held in an apartment belonging to Abdalla al-Jamal. Al-Jamal, who was killed in the raid that liberated Almog Meir Jan, 22, Andrey Kozlov, 27, and Shlomi Ziv, 41, had been a correspondent for The Palestine Chronicle. Since October 7, al-Jamal had published 16 stories for the Chronicle, an English-language news website and nonprofit registered in Mountlake Terrace, Washington, which has featured contributions from prominent progressive American intellectuals such as Noam Chomsky.

And al-Jamal’s articles read like a parody of Palestinian propaganda.

“Cries of Gaza Survivors: When Will We Rescue Our Children from Under the Rubble?” blares one headline. “Actions, Not Words,” featuring interviews with local Gazans pleading with Hezbollah to increase attacks on northern Israel, is another. For one of his last stories, al-Jamal covered survivors of what his outlet called the “Nuseirat School Massacre.” A Gazan named Ibrahim Ayad said that Israel’s strikes on the building that harbored between twenty and thirty terrorists were “the very definition of genocide.”


Photo of Abdallah Al Jamal shared by The Palestine Chronicle. ( @PalestineChron via X)

In an obituary, the Chronicle wrote that al-Jamal (who wrote a total of 107 stories) had contributed on a volunteer basis. But if the Chronicle ever paid al-Jamal for his work, they could be in violation of U.S. counterterrorism laws preventing any material support or payment to designated terrorist groups like Hamas.

Whether or not he was paid, Al-Jamal’s reports offer a window into the slanted coverage of Gaza in the western media. If one wonders why it always seems that every building hit by Israel is a hospital and every casualty is a child or a woman, the story of a journalist with a side hustle as a hostage guard provides some answers.

The Committee to Protect Journalists has said 108 reporters and media workers have been killed so far in the Gaza war. As the story of al-Jamal shows, the definition of “journalist” in a place like Gaza is loose to say the least. And yet that statistic has been recycled many times over since the war began, painting the picture of Israel as a criminal regime.

Hamas’s most effective weapon is the war’s high body count. According to the Hamas-controlled Gaza Ministry of Health, more than 36,000 Palestinians have perished since the war began. That’s more than thirty times the approximately 1,200 people slaughtered by Hamas in Israel on October 7.

The Gaza Ministry of Health, like all branches of Gaza’s local government, is controlled by Hamas. And yet very few mainstream journalists have expressed skepticism about the statistics it publishes. During Israel’s raid, which freed four hostages, several outlets focused on the number of civilians that allegedly died in the process. One BBC headline, for example, said: “Gaza Health Ministry Says Israeli Hostage Rescue Killed 274 Palestinians.”

But recently, a Western report has cast doubt on the accuracy of one of Hamas’s key facts, namely that “70 percent” of Palestinian casualties in the war are women and children.

On June 7, the Associated Press published an analysis discrediting this claim. By combing through actual data behind the ministry’s figures, the agency found that the percentage peaked in late October, when 64.4 percent of 6,745 dead were women and children. That percentage dropped to 59.3 percent for casualties reported on January 5, then 45 percent for March 29, and 38.1 percent for April 30.

The total percentage of women and children casualties in the war so far is 54.3 percent. Adult-aged males are most likely to be combatants in wars. The AP analysis shows that the ratio between combatants and civilians killed in Gaza is closer to one to one, a figure much closer to counterinsurgency wars America and its allies have fought in the Middle East.

The 70 percent figure has become a key talking point for Israel’s opponents. It was cited prominently, for example, in a report by UN Women in January. Here is that figure again from an NPR story at the end of February.

The AP analysis is a watershed moment, said David Adesnik, the director of research at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, who has tracked the casualty numbers since the conflict began.

“This is a scrutiny that has not been applied by any mainstream prestige outlet until now,” Adesnik told The Free Press. “And it’s particularly important coming from the AP because they were among the most vocal in defending the ministry’s credibility.”

The AP analysis only goes so far. Adesnik pointed out, for example, that the agency still hasn’t examined how at least 10,000 of the total casualties reported from the Ministry of Health lack complete information like names, ages, and gender. Adesnik argues that these statistics were not based on reports from morgues and hospitals, but rather what the ministry initially called “reliable media reports.”

Which brings us back to al-Jamal. If the IDF is correct that the hostages were rescued from his apartment, then it indicts more than just The Palestine Chronicle. A Hamas-run ministry has relied on media reports in a place where many alleged “journalists” are helping the Hamas war effort. Perhaps the Western press should notice that its supposedly objective sources in Gaza are sometimes the combatants.


Eli Lake is a Free Press columnist. Follow him at @EliLake, and read his piece, “Rashida Tlaib Speaks at Detroit Conference Tied to Terrorist Group.”

 

[clutch]

Blaming Israel for Rescuing Its People​

Hamas hid four hostages in a crowded civilian area and fired on rescuers.​

---

By The Editorial Board

June 9, 2024 2:43 pm ET

Rescued hostages (clockwise from top left) Almog Meir Jan, Noa Argamani, Andrey Kozlov and Shlomi Ziv were held by Hamas in Gaza and reunited with family in Israel on Saturday. PHOTO: ISRAELI ARMY/REUTERS

It’s rare good news in a grinding war. On Saturday Israeli commandos rescued four hostages from two civilian buildings near the heart of Gaza’s Nuseirat market. It was a high-risk but well-planned and -executed mission that is a morale boost for Israelis.

Arnon Zamora was killed while leading the rescue mission at the head of his force. He will go down in history with Yoni Netanyahu, the fallen leader of Israel’s 1976 raid to free hostages in Entebbe, Uganda.

Noa Argamani, age 26, Almog Meir Jan, 21, Andrey Kozlov, 27, and Shlomi Ziv, 40, were all abducted during the music-festival massacre. A video showed Ms. Argamani begging for her life. Eight months later she heard a knock on the door: “It’s the IDF, we’ve come to rescue you.” She can now visit her terminally ill mother. Mr. Jan was mobbed on his return by friends chanting, “He is one of us, and we will never give him up,” a refrain of sports teammates now given new meaning. Mr. Jan’s father died hours before his son’s return.

The non-surprise is that professional anti-Israel voices, United Nations officials and the European Union foreign-policy chief rushed to attack Israel. Egypt condemned the operation “in the strongest terms.” How dare Israel rescue its own citizens. Didn’t it know there would be casualties? The BBC asked whether Israel gave a warning that the rescue raid was coming. Seriously? A tip-off to terrorists? Perhaps read them Miranda rights too.

“BREAKING: Gaza’s Health Ministry says 274 Palestinians were killed during the Israeli operation,” reports the Associated Press, only 48 hours after it had exposed how the Hamas ministry’s daily death tolls are “at odds with underlying data.” When will the media stop taking the kidnappers at their word?

Haters of Israel will blame it and excuse Hamas every time, and the media are easily manipulated into playing along. The Hamas figure is likely inflated, and it includes the terrorists killed trying to stop the rescue as well as those who hid the hostages.

Hamas started the war with a massacre, took these hostages and hid them in a crowded civilian area. Then, when Israel came to free them, Hamas responded with heavy fire, including RPGs—yet people are condemning Israel. It makes us wonder if the West has lost the moral discernment and instinct for self-preservation needed to defend itself in a world of killers. Hamas could not survive if not for its enablers around the world.

https://www.wsj.com/video/series/wonder-land-henninger/wsj-opinion-dont-blame-israel-first/1F6BF64C-30D8-4584-A4B2-B2D3CD1D552A

Wonder Land: World opinion should impose more pressure on Hamas military leader Yahya Sinwar. Image: Mohammed Abed/AFP via Getty Images

https://www.wsj.com/articles/blaming-israel-for-rescuing-its-people-hamas-gaza-war-17581387?st=bzws8y07opjug1t&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

Are the Nazi Germany excused for the "Holocaust" because the Germans were rescuing the ethnic Germans in Poland?

 

[clutch]

Never forget who are the evil ones in this conflict.....

 

[Solomon2]

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Are the Nazi Germany excused for the "Holocaust" because the Germans were rescuing the ethnic Germans in Poland?

...Hamas used RPGs in a crowded refugee camp and marketplace. It is highly likely that Hamas, whose leaders gain politically from every dead civilian, did not distinguish between the soldiers and anyone else in the area. Yet not one news story even floats the idea that some civilians were killed in a firefight by Hamas weapons and not by the IDF. Yet Hamas members have routinely used weapons dressed as civilians - they film themselves doing it every day - and the soldiers have no way of distinguishing them.

To be sure, many civilians were killed by the air support bombings needed to extract the soldiers and hostages. Soldiers are not obligated under international law to allow themselves and the people they have rescued to be sitting ducks and let themselves die - they can use whatever means is necessary to get out alive, within the boundaries of proportionality. The proportionality calculation takes into account both the value of the soldiers lives and the military importance of rescuing the hostages successfully.

No nation would be considered guilty of violating the wars of law for doing the exact same thing -

 

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...Hamas used RPGs in a crowded refugee camp and marketplace. It is highly likely that Hamas, whose leaders gain politically from every dead civilian, did not distinguish between the soldiers and anyone else in the area. Yet not one news story even floats the idea that some civilians were killed in a firefight by Hamas weapons and not by the IDF. Yet Hamas members have routinely used weapons dressed as civilians - they film themselves doing it every day - and the soldiers have no way of distinguishing them.

To be sure, many civilians were killed by the air support bombings needed to extract the soldiers and hostages. Soldiers are not obligated under international law to allow themselves and the people they have rescued to be sitting ducks and let themselves die - they can use whatever means is necessary to get out alive, within the boundaries of proportionality. The proportionality calculation takes into account both the value of the soldiers lives and the military importance of rescuing the hostages successfully.

No nation would be considered guilty of violating the wars of law for doing the exact same thing -

There have been some collateral damage done by Hamas. But Israel is doing a Genocide. Big difference.