HAL LCA Tejas: Updates, News & Discussions

[Corax]

a plane which even maker didn't thought about to induct has a future what a joke, secondly If that plane was so advanced then why to buy J-10 ? instead PAF would have directly went with 70+ J-31s.

Because the PLAF has no need for a lightweight fighter, and it was specifically developed for export, but then I wouldn't expect you to understand that.

The PAF acquired the J-10C for the same reason you indians have the M2K, Su30, Rafael etc...different aircraft for different missions profiles...but again, someone like you won't understand that.

 

[Nilgiri]

US never acquired and operated the F-5 either....it did acquire the trainer version (Talon) though.

Doesn't make the F-5 a bad fighter for its time.

The J85 engine was one of the most elegant designs for its time too. Held the highest T/W ratio for a very long time....and with continual updating by GE expected to remain in service till the 2030s by USAF (talon) and 2040s by NASA.

@Oscar

 

[MirageBlue]

Looks like piss poor project management

I prefer the Pakistan approach to JF17s get the plane inducted and in the air, so the pilots can train and give first hand advice and gain experience, then develop and upgrade

Say what you will about the JF17s but they have been flying and defending Pakistan now for 17 years and have been involved in action against India, Iran and Afghanistan and sold to a few nations with a few more possible options

All that talk and you guys can't even design and develop a new Block of the JF-17 on your own, leave alone a new variant or a new clean sheet design. Everyone knows that without China doing all the development there won't be even a single new part added on to the JF-17..so much for "joint development". lol.

The most pitiable people are those who choose to pull the wool over their own eyes and live in the delusion that they're great.

 

[CombatCorner]

All that talk and you guys can't even design and develop a new Block of the JF-17 on your own, leave alone a new variant or a new clean sheet design. Everyone knows that without China doing all the development there won't be even a single new part added on to the JF-17..so much for "joint development". lol.

The most pitiable people are those who choose to pull the wool over their own eyes and live in the delusion that they're great.

An idiot who thinks that once the airframe life expires the aircraft becomes useless should keep his trap shut then to point fingers at others.
Do you know how many aviation houses around the globe helped your Tejas to get off the drawing board, but yea its Indigenious only because you got your head up where sun don't shine.

 

[Falcon26]

An idiot who thinks that once the airframe life expires the aircraft becomes useless should keep his trap shut then to point fingers at others.
Do you know how many aviation houses around the globe helped your Tejas to get off the drawing board, but yea its Indigenious only because you got your head up where sun don't shine.

40 plus years in development despite the help of almost every major international aviation giant.

Meanwhile, JF-17 has been a glowing success in a much shorter period.

 

[Corax]

All that talk and you guys can't even design and develop a new Block of the JF-17 on your own, leave alone a new variant or a new clean sheet design. Everyone knows that without China doing all the development there won't be even a single new part added on to the JF-17..so much for "joint development". lol.

The most pitiable people are those who choose to pull the wool over their own eyes and live in the delusion that they're great.

And you indians are the same, without help from Dassault, Lockheed Martin, IAI, GE, BAE, your tejas wouldn't be what it is today...even after 40 years. You couldn't even make a radome properly and had to ask Chobam in the UK to design it for you lol

 

[harpy1]

Tejas is good step forward and improvement over
Over all russian fleet that was cold war era
Our own fighter
Massive eco system
Jobs
New skills and know how to go towards mark two and Amca
We now have.Aesa radar we have bvr missiles replacing the imported ones
Stand off weapons like air launched brahmos and Rudram

Most important huge amounts of money stays in India.

Being totally reliant on imports like Pakistan is makes you vulnerable

We are fiercelly autonomous and independent
No matter how hard you jibe the Tejas is goor platform at base level
We need 150 plus of them next 5/7 years
The big guns super mki and Rafale will do the damage beyond our borders if and when needed

MRFA and Marine rafale and super mki will add big stop gap capability giving us time to add big numbers of Tejas and Amca planes next decade and half

I say again the navy did it so will our air force

 

[TAC]

All that talk and you guys can't even design and develop a new Block of the JF-17 on your own, leave alone a new variant or a new clean sheet design. Everyone knows that without China doing all the development there won't be even a single new part added on to the JF-17..so much for "joint development". lol.

The most pitiable people are those who choose to pull the wool over their own eyes and live in the delusion that they're great.

If the options are to 1. Rely on someone else to do the development, you learn & absorb as much as you can & get what you want in the timescale you want it or 2. Develop ‘on your own’ get delayed by decades, don’t get what you want in the timescale you wanted it…….. I think maybe the logical choice is a no brainer??

 

[Corax]

Tejas is good step forward and improvement over
Over all russian fleet that was cold war era
Our own fighter
Massive eco system
Jobs
New skills and know how to go towards mark two and Amca
We now have.Aesa radar we have bvr missiles replacing the imported ones
Stand off weapons like air launched brahmos and Rudram

Most important huge amounts of money stays in India.

Being totally reliant on imports like Pakistan is makes you vulnerable

We are fiercelly autonomous and independent
No matter how hard you jibe the Tejas is goor platform at base level
We need 150 plus of them next 5/7 years
The big guns super mki and Rafale will do the damage beyond our borders if and when needed

MRFA and Marine rafale and super mki will add big stop gap capability giving us time to add big numbers of Tejas and Amca planes next decade and half

I say again the navy did it so will our air force

That is also essentially the same the role that JF-17 plays in the PAF. The main priority is a sanction-proof fighter aircraft after the experience with US sanctions in the 1990s. The PAF has a fighter it can build at home, making sure no precious resources are exported for expensive sanction-prone imports, and creating a local ecosystem and boosting local production, MRO, and modest design and development efforts.

For all that you indians harp on about "indigenous", the JF-17 and tejas aren't all that different - a locally built airframe with major subsystems and components (radar, avionics, engines, weapons, etc) imported from other countries, with increasing localisation and local assembly. But even after 40 years you indians have failed at successfully integrating these into a fighter that can be built rapidly.

In contrast, The JF-17 overtook the development of your tejas and has been not only flying but extensively used operationally, deployed abroad in training, and with Block II already superior to any of your tejas until your much vaunted MK2 appears - if ever - in about 20 years time. And I can't stress the operational experience enough - you can make the tallest claims of capability on paper, but when it comes to actual combat, we've seen how in Feb 2019 and in Ukraine how all those mighty claims can be shredded to nothing.

 

[MirageBlue]

An idiot who thinks that once the airframe life expires the aircraft becomes useless should keep his trap shut then to point fingers at others.
Do you know how many aviation houses around the globe helped your Tejas to get off the drawing board, but yea its Indigenious only because you got your head up where sun don't shine.

You numbskulls have no clue about what nonsense you spout on this forum to assuage your egos..

240 hours flight time per year per pilot and then 2 pilots per JF-17 as claimed on this forum and taken as the truth without even a thought! Lol..

Simple maths will tell anyone that these figures are pulled out of your nether holes but none of you have the brains to even apply it.

I never said that any aircraft becomes "useless" when it's airframe life expires. Typical of you fools to put words in people's mouths.

The fact remains this - if the 15 plus year old JF-17 Block 1 has 3000/4000 hours of airframe life and even 50% of the ridiculous flight hour and pilot/fighter figures you numbskulls quote is right, the JF-17 Block 1 is nearing the end of it's service life, it it doesn't undergo a SLEP. We already know that the JF-17 Block 1 had wing strength issues that were addressed on the Block 2. If the Block 1's wings were not strengthened, it will see even greater fatigue issues.

You guys have no clue about SLEP programs, or whether PAC Kamra is initiating one for the JF-17 Block 1s. Ask about it and I'll be the one abused.

Regarding how you manage to keep Mirages flying- well it's well known that the PAF went hunting all over scrapyards to find spares/airframes that it could use. From Australia to France, to Libya, PAF has found flightworthy frames/engines and somehow using the Mirage Rebuild factory, kept the fleet going, even if at much reduced flight hours. Many of the older frames were retired, many of the Libyan and Aussie airframes that had some life left were brought back into service.

 

[MirageBlue]

If the options are to 1. Rely on someone else to do the development, you learn & absorb as much as you can & get what you want in the timescale you want it or 2. Develop ‘on your own’ get delayed by decades, don’t get what you want in the timescale you wanted it…….. I think maybe the logical choice is a no brainer??

No the logical choice is not a no brainer, because you are forever dependent on others to fulfill your needs. And as you'll see, every generation of fighter program gets progressively much more costlier.

As it is your economy is not faring well at all. Now you'll have to shell out even more of the most precious commodity you have, your foreign exchange, to import ever more costly fighters.

 

[Pataliputra]

Initially it was said LCA will be a plane on truck, then its just a overweight, short legged fighter IAF will not induct it, then just like Arjun forced to induct into AF, then will not be put into front line duty, then not more than 40 will be produced, then came no capacity to produce more than 8 jet p.a. now new tag line is hold up of additional order.

Its quite strange that even before knowing facts everyone starts to jump into conclusion.

Pakistani fanboys are so deep in denial that they still claim the Tejas hasn't taken its first flight, even when shown videos of it soaring through the sky. They call the footage fake—because, apparently, reality just isn't convincing enough. I can only wonder how far someone can sink into such delusions.

 

[MirageBlue]

Tejas Mk1 proved it's mettle at Ex Tarang Shakti, says IAF ACM.

LCA proved its mettle in Tarang SHakti drills, says IAF Chief

The locally built Tejas light combat aircraft (LCA Mk-1) proved its mettle in Tarang Shakti 2024, the largest multilateral air combat exercise to be hosted by India, while executing a variety of missions along with bigger and modern global fighter jets, Indian Air Force (IAF) chief Air Chief Marshal VR Chaudhari said on Tuesday.

“LCA [the smallest fighter in the drills] showed size does not matter. The aircraft proved its capabilities in realistic combat settings as part of both [friendly] ‘blue force’ and [hostile] ‘red force’,” Chaudhari said at a media briefing on the conclusion of the first phase of the exercise at the Sulur airbase near Coimbatore.

This was the first time the LCA Mk-1 took part in such large force engagements and “we are proud of its performance,” Chaudhari said. “Tejas is the epitome of our success in the self-reliance campaign. We will use the aircraft more in air combat drills both within and outside the country,” he said.

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Major Alexis Galouzeau, 38, a French Air Force Rafale pilot who flew missions with and against the LCA Mk-1, was impressed with the capabilities of the Indian fighter jet. “It has fantastic manoeuvrability and can carry out a variety of missions,” he said.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1823701256084373513

 

[MirageBlue]

Pakistani fanboys are so deep in denial that they still claim the Tejas hasn't taken its first flight, even when shown videos of it soaring through the sky. They call the footage fake—because, apparently, reality just isn't convincing enough. I can only wonder how far someone can sink into such delusions.

It's all ok.

In their internet world, everything Pakistan does is top notch.

Most of them live outside Pakistan and are sentimentally attached to it, so while they can't or won't do anything to actually help Pakistan, they'll ignore all the other realities and pretend "it's all good!"

Which is why I keep saying- all the nonsense spouted on this forum doesn't make 1% of a difference out there in the real world. And in the real world, things are not at all rosy for Pakistan.

 

[MirageBlue]

Luftwaffe Chief of Staff, Lieutenant General Ingo Gerhartz took a sortie on Indian Air Force’s Tejas trainer.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1823337322110488694