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[Yasser76]

Air Force Officer Lured By Woman On Chats To Leak Defence Secrets To Pak Handler: Cops

 

[indo17787]

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[Gregor Clegane]

Sorry to burst your bubble here but


70% is low

UASF T-38s are 60/70 years old. IAF Hawks are 18 years old. Get a grip of yourself....

It is not, unless you prove evidence that any airforce has trainers with 75%+ serviceablity.
2008 USAF figures also show T-38 had serviceability of 64.8%.

 

[Gregor Clegane]

Literally the article is stating the IAF has not even begun the indigenisation process, basically you do not want to actually believe your own eyes or the words of the IAF. That is fine by me.

Every post of yours on here gets more desperate.

Indiginezation of 70% components already began 6 years before itself, what this article is saying that remaining 20-30% are being indigenized too.

 

[Yasser76]

Indiginezation of 70% components already began 6 years before itself, what this article is saying that remaining 20-30% are being indigenized too.

Got a link for this or is this a wet dream again?

 

[Yasser76]

It is not, unless you prove evidence that any airforce has trainers with 75%+ serviceablity.
2008 USAF figures also show T-38 had serviceability of 64.8%.

Again, comapring 70 year old T-38s with 18 year old Hawks. Basically admitting USAF does a far better job in maintenence then the IAF?

 

[Ali_Baba]

Again, comapring 70 year old T-38s with 18 year old Hawks. Basically admitting USAF does a far better job in maintenence then the IAF?

And soon - we will be discussing how the Rafales in the IAF will have similar servicing levels as the Hawk.

Thankfully, nothing works properly in the IAF.

 

[Yasser76]

And soon - we will be discussing how the Rafales in the IAF will have similar servicing levels as the Hawk.

Thankfully, nothing works properly in the IAF.

Would not surprise me if Rafale servicability is low, they have been using them on Chinese border too. Do you know if they got the private contract for Dassault to guarantee service levels?

My guess is if they have 28 odd left and with say 75% availability they may have just 18-20 ready to fly

 

[Gregor Clegane]

Again, comapring 70 year old T-38s with 18 year old Hawks. Basically admitting USAF does a far better job in maintenence then the IAF?

Again you failed to provide evidence that there are jet trainers with any force with more than 75% serviceability

 

[Gregor Clegane]

Got a link for this or is this a wet dream again?

Look who is asking for links.

IAF indigenised more than 60,000 components in last 2-3 years: Air Chief Marshal | India News - Times of India

India News: NAGPUR: Air Chief Marshal VR Chaudhari has said the IAF has indigenised more than 60,000 components in the last two to three years.

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

 

[Yasser76]

Look who is asking for links.

IAF indigenised more than 60,000 components in last 2-3 years: Air Chief Marshal | India News - Times of India

India News: NAGPUR: Air Chief Marshal VR Chaudhari has said the IAF has indigenised more than 60,000 components in the last two to three years.

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Do your own googling Rakesh. Also, you do know the link you posted refers to Base Repair Depots not actual aircraft, you do know that right? Please please please tell me you are not this thick?

 

[indo17787]

Would not surprise me if Rafale servicability is low, they have been using them on Chinese border too. Do you know if they got the private contract for Dassault to guarantee service levels?

My guess is if they have 28 odd left and with say 75% availability they may have just 18-20 ready to fly

India pushed its aging MiG-21 Bison airframes pretty much to the limit, even after 40 years of service.

Your JF-17s, iirc, were doing around 120 flight hours a year? That’s still lower than the MiG-21 Bisons. And you’d be lucky if the Mirage III/V fleet was doing 80 hours a year at most. Almost a quarter of those Mirages were bought second-hand from the West and the Middle East between the 1980s and 2000s, and not all of them were acquired just for spares. We even use MiG-21 trainers for LIFT training on other fighter types.

The PAF doesn’t officially publish annual flight-hour figures or comprehensive crash data either, so we don’t really know how badly the JF-17 fleet has been affected by the Russia-Ukraine war and the resulting engine supply issues. Pakistan also never built a proper local supply chain for most of the aircraft.

And that whole “PAF has fewer crashes” argument pushed by PAF fanboys was pretty badly undermined by that BRF article, which put India’s attrition rate at 0.02 compared with 0.4 per lakh flying hours for the PAF during the 2000s.

Then there’s the HADR numbers. During one of the worst floods in Sindh, PAF flew barely 150 HADR sorties in a month while IAF flew more than that in less than a week during HADR operations.

And then you have the JF-17 situation in Myanmar, where there have been conclusive media reports of the aircraft being grounded.

 

[Yasser76]

India pushed its aging MiG-21 Bison airframes pretty much to the limit, even after 40 years of service.

Your JF-17s, iirc, were doing around 120 flight hours a year? That’s still lower than the MiG-21 Bisons. And you’d be lucky if the Mirage III/V fleet was doing 80 hours a year at most. Almost a quarter of those Mirages were bought second-hand from the West and the Middle East between the 1980s and 2000s, and not all of them were acquired just for spares. We even use MiG-21 trainers for LIFT training on other fighter types.

The PAF doesn’t officially publish annual flight-hour figures or comprehensive crash data either, so we don’t really know how badly the JF-17 fleet has been affected by the Russia-Ukraine war and the resulting engine supply issues. Pakistan also never built a proper local supply chain for most of the aircraft.

And that whole “PAF has fewer crashes” argument pushed by PAF fanboys was pretty badly undermined by that BRF article, which put India’s attrition rate at 0.02 compared with 0.4 per lakh flying hours for the PAF during the 2000s.

Then there’s the HADR numbers. During one of the worst floods in Sindh, the PAF reportedly flew barely 150 HADR sorties in a month, while the IAF flew more than that in less than a week during HADR operations.

And then you have the JF-17 situation in Myanmar, where there have been reports of the aircraft being grounded.

Yeah man, when your sources are BRF articles we can pretty much exclude factual debate from now on....

 

[indo17787]

Yeah man, when your sources are BRF articles we can pretty much exclude factual debate from now on....

You seriously need a reality check.

As of today, the PAF has around 7 JF-17 squadrons on paper, but don’t just count squadron badges and call it a day. Their CCS and OCU units are small, usually around 8-10 jets each. Once you account for that, 8 of those smaller units are roughly equivalent to 4 genuinely full-strength squadrons.

Unlike your Chinese maal, our jets aren’t supposed to be lawn ornaments waiting for the next spare-parts shipment.

We don’t need to dress up museum pieces like F-7s and pretend they’re some cutting-edge frontline fleet either. That’s where the fanboy arithmetic usually falls