Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

ShapurII said:
Because hyperinflation will eventually lead to the collapse of the system, as it happened in the Weimar Republic, Venezuela and even Zimbabwe. The Islamic Republic is already on thin ice.

I don't think China would risk US sanctions and tariffs to do that.
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Do you think China would care about the US tariff war? Does China care about the tariff war when it supports Russia? How many times have China and the United States imposed tariffs? Has China lost?
 
Immortals said:
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Military action maybe imminent within next 24 hours.
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This is China signalling to Iran and the world, that Iran will reject the American "demands" and there will be more war in hours and days to come.

If the Iranian FM does decline American demands in Islamabad, then he should remain in Pakistan as Israel has said they will kill Iranian leadership and his plane will be at significant risk on the return flight. Israel may well not wait for a greenlight from the USA for that.

The Pakistani FM did a tour of all the main "actors" in Iran, but a person who had an iPhone on him, so the question is, could Pakistan have compromised locations of Iranian bunkers etc? We know they met in some bunkers, and Pakistan did show pictures of meetings within the bunkers. ( We like to say, oh no, Pakistani Army would have known better etc, but they did, they would have used a simple DSLR to take pictures, and not an iPhone )..
 
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PK781 said:
seems both sides are hellbent on NOT HAVING A DEAL and rather, sending the global level into economic depression, one from which we wont recover and all will bear the consequences of this war, all bcaz of Satanyahu and his evil bastards
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I am not sure that is entirely correct. One side wants the surrender of the other side, but has failed to achieve that on the battlefield, and now wants it on the table instead. One sides, "demands" are unrealistic". The cause and responsibility of global economic issues therefore rests with the aggressor, and not the one defending.

Iran, is not economically integrated with the world, it has not been since the 80's, therefore the pain of the world does not really hurt Iran, as Iran has learnt to live with sanctions. The world, is now having to kind with Iran's sanctions in kind..
 
EugeneP said:
Reza Pahlavi has a message
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lol - maybe as part of the terms for negotiations, they should ask for Reza Pahlavi's "head" on a plate ?
 
Hayabusa said:
I don't think they even have to. Ships are still able to leave the strait despite the blockade.

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Each tanker is worth on average $300million to Iran in terms of oil revenue for context !
 
Immortals said:
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Exactly 💯
I don't think they are up for any negotiations. Those talks are just for deception.
Now only Jared krushner and Steve witkoff are traveling to islamabad.Two big mouth pieces of isreal. No JD Vance. Not a single person in the US delegation who wants peace and wants the war to end. Next 5 days are critical.
 
MH.Yang said:
Do you think China would care about the US tariff war? Does China care about the tariff war when it supports Russia? How many times have China and the United States imposed tariffs? Has China lost?
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Yes I believe china will give all kinds of weapon and economic support to Iran. Because that serves Chinese broader interests in the region.
If the war restrarts now and most probably it will,that will be the final decisive, catastrophic and bloody war with no temporary ceasefires.
 
MH.Yang said:
Russia also fell into vicious inflation at the beginning. As long as you have resources, why should you be afraid of inflation? Taking a step back, why do you think the Chinese government will not provide loans to Iran?
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I find that many people's logic is extremely confused.

On one hand, they criticize China for asking Iran to stop the war. Their basis is Trump's statements. Trump is a liar—how is that any different from having no basis at all?

On the other hand, they complain about Iran's economic problems. China is the largest buyer of Iranian energy. In 2021, China and Iran signed the "China-Iran 25-Year Strategic Cooperation Agreement," in which China promised to invest $400 billion over the next 25 years in Iranian banking, telecommunications, ports, railways, healthcare, and information technology in exchange for a stable and cheap oil supply.

My view is the same as yours. Russia was kicked out of the SWIFT system by the United States, and Western countries imposed 30,159 sanctions on Russia, yet Russia's economy did not collapse. In 2025, China-Russia trade still reached $228.1 billion under sanctions. Here are Russia's GDP data.
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I do not agree with your view that China provides loans to Iran to help stabilize its economy. Russia and China have built mutual trust through years of cooperation. This year marks the 30th anniversary of the establishment of the China-Russia strategic partnership and the 25th anniversary of the signing of the Treaty of Good-Neighborliness and Friendly Cooperation between China and Russia. China did not provide loans to Russia, and likewise will not provide loans to Iran.

In 2021, China and Iran signed the "China-Iran 25-Year Strategic Cooperation Agreement." In July 2025, Deputy Minister of Communications of Iran Khisaz confirmed for the first time that China's BeiDou system has been listed as a core option for navigation replacement. We can see that the implementation of the "China-Iran 25-Year Strategic Cooperation Agreement" is progressing very slowly.

The economic cooperation contracts are just sitting there. Russia can cooperate perfectly with China, so why can't Iran? Where is the problem?
 
Pakistan hosted the negotiations and gave the United States a choice. The United States could choose to exit the Middle East disgracefully or launch a larger-scale war.

The proposal to legitimize U.S. and Israeli aggression against Iran and to expand attacks on Iran was vetoed by China and Russia, which is a warning.

The United States is trying to rally NATO countries to wage war in Europe and the Middle East, and the United States is encouraging Japan to wage war in the Asia region.

The actions of the United States are worse than the Nazis.
 
Quran on Iran/Israel-USA conflict

Reference: https://quran.com/8/56

Quran: 8:56
Those of them with whom thou madest a treaty, and then at every opportunity they break their treaty, and they keep not duty (to Allah).
— M. Pickthall

Quran: 8:57
If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember.
— M. Pickthall

Quran: 8:58
And if thou fearest treachery from any folk, then throw back to them (their treaty) fairly. Lo! Allah loveth not the treacherous.
— M. Pickthall

Quran: 8:59
And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape.
— M. Pickthall

Quran: 8:60
Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others beside them whom ye know not. Allah knoweth them. Whatsoever ye spend in the way of Allah it will be repaid to you in full, and ye will not be wronged.
— M. Pickthall

Quran: 8:61
And if they incline to peace, incline thou also to it, and trust in Allah. Lo! He, even He, is the Hearer, the Knower.
— M. Pickthall

Quran: 8:62
And (as for the believers) hath attuned their hearts. If thou hadst spent all that is in the earth thou couldst not have attuned their hearts, but Allah hath attuned them. Lo! He is Mighty, Wise.
— M. Pickthall
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My commentary:
How much clearer must the Quran become before you recognize its relevance to your life? After reciting these words, is there any room left for doubt or confusion—about what your next step should be?

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