Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Hazard said:
Pakistan asserted itself? By doing what exactly? Closing the land border for a mere month or so? Pakistan didn't even close its airspace to NATO, never mind responding militarily. Pakistan had nukes then but yet that didn't stop the yanks from humiliating Pakistan publicly and that wasn't a one off incident, OBL raid, drone strikes etc to name other few. Another point most Pakistanis forget is that whilst we do have nukes, we currently have NO reliable system to deliver these outside our own region.

Pakistan's military 'might' is nothing against US, Nato etc. I'd say no country can currently take on US with or without nukes, not even China.
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Incorrect - actually I remember that land border was completely closed for 6 months (November 2011 til July 2012) AND yes we closed its airspace to NATO/US + their Shamsi airfield base.

US apologized it after 6 months and regretted it.

Please google first, please double check and verify it before typing nonsense.
 
Meengla said:
A little offtopic but... when the Pakistanis stopped the NATO supplies over the Salalah incident for months, the Americans, with the Russian consent, started the alternate long and expensive resupply route through the Russian sphere of influence. And after the Americans left Afghanistan in August 2021, six months later the Russia-Ukraine war started, which has caused huge casualties to the Russians, no small thanks to the Americans.
Russians are such strategic thinkers. NOT! People talks about the supine Arab regimes. At least some excuses could be made for the Arab countries. But look at the ultimate cuck nation with the largest number of nukes in the world: Russia. Clinging to the hope to be accepted by the West since Peter the Great but keep getting rejected and keep getting killed in wars after wars launched on them.
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Brother you are deeply mistaken.

Putin is a Chabad cult member and wears that readish/pink string on his wrist "blessed" and given to him by his Chabad Rabbi. Putin is doing exactly what is required of him to do: Eliminate men in Ukraine, destroy the nation so the most fertile land of Europe can be bought out at pennies, which they already have purchased.

Pakistan should have helped the Ukrainians take down a lot more Russians with them, but alas, the chance was missed.

This is an old article but worth a read. It gives some highlights. You connect the dots yourself after reading it.


www.politico.com

The Happy-Go-Lucky Jewish Group That Connects Trump and Putin

Where Trump's real estate world meets a top religious ally of the Kremlin.
www.politico.com www.politico.com


Also see this


 
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delta2 said:
Cutting off the supply lines to a Super Power on a religious mission backed up by the next 30 countries is no small task.

If you are living in the West, to give you an example of what exactly Pakistan did, you go try blocking an enteance to a bank and see what happens to you and your family. That is if you are living in the West.

In the East the guard will just put a bullet in your head. In the USA you will be shot too but in the rest of the West, they will lock you up in a mental facility for decades.

That is exactly Pakistan did, got in their way and increases their costs, one thing the Zionists love more than their own mothers is their money.

Still the Americans claimed it was the Pakistani soldiers who fired first. But it was 100% either a roided up drugged up crusade believing fundamentalist in the American/NATO uniform or the Afghan Nationap Army drug addicted scum who opened the fire first.

The point is, they did not repeat such an incident.
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No, I'm sorry but that's just cope. You had one military that was pounding our soldiers and our top command was literally on the hot line begging Americans to stop. And our response was to close the borders - if you find that an acceptable response then I don't know what to say.

And no, they didn't need to repeat again, they humiliated us enough and continued to do so by using our OWN bases against our OWN citizens every single day, whilst we sat down and watched. This is utterly pathetic and shameful past of our nation. If you want to know what an appropriate response is, look next door at Iranians. That's what you call having self respect.

My point is simple, we're no match against major world countries and we need to humble ourself and accept the bitter reality, whilst at the same time work hard to improve the state of our nation.
 
RocketLaw said:
Incorrect - actually I remember that land border was completely closed for 6 months (November 2011 til July 2012) AND yes we closed its airspace to NATO/US + their Shamsi airfield base.

US apologized it after 6 months and regretted it.

Please google first, please double check and verify it before typing nonsense.
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Yes, land border was closed. I didn't dispute that, but is that an acceptable response to a nation that has literally slaughtered your soldiers? Seriously? I'm lost for words.

And no, there was no 'official' apology, just 'regrets' - not that I'd ever accept an apology to begin with.
 
Hazard said:
No, I'm sorry but that's just cope. You had one military that was pounding our soldiers and our top command was literally on the hot line begging Americans to stop. And our response was to close the borders - if you find that an acceptable response then I don't know what to say.

And no, they didn't need to repeat again, they humiliated us enough and continued to do so by using our OWN bases against our OWN citizens every single day, whilst we sat down and watched. This is utterly pathetic and shameful past of our nation. If you want to know what an appropriate response is, look next door at Iranians. That's what you call having self respect.

My point is simple, we're no match against major world countries and we need to humble ourself and accept the bitter reality, whilst at the same time work hard to improve the state of our nation.
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What pounding are you talking about?

The check posts came under attack and they retaliated, immediately. The chances are the Americans disposed of those responsible for the incident and kept it hush hush.

You are way too over impressed by mortal humans.
 
Hazard said:
No, I'm sorry but that's just cope. You had one military that was pounding our soldiers and our top command was literally on the hot line begging Americans to stop. And our response was to close the borders - if you find that an acceptable response then I don't know what to say.

And no, they didn't need to repeat again, they humiliated us enough and continued to do so by using our OWN bases against our OWN citizens every single day, whilst we sat down and watched. This is utterly pathetic and shameful past of our nation. If you want to know what an appropriate response is, look next door at Iranians. That's what you call having self respect.

My point is simple, we're no match against major world countries and we need to humble ourself and accept the bitter reality, whilst at the same time work hard to improve the state of our nation.
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They always had a permission from the Pakistani govt to use the facilities and take actions.

The Pakistani govt sold its own people, otherwise no one could have dared do that. It was the Pakistani rulers with their monies, properties, investments and kids going to the schools in the USA who didn't even bother to think of sayin "no", because you know, the green cards and the student visas and passports for their families and children.



The Americans might be prideful, but they are not stupid to provoke a nuclear power into a conflict.
 
Hazard said:
Yes, land border was closed. I didn't dispute that, but is that an acceptable response to a nation that has literally slaughtered your soldiers? Seriously? I'm lost for words.

And no, there was no 'official' apology, just 'regrets' - not that I'd ever accept an apology to begin with.
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Brother, Pakistan is very different today compared to old Pakistan times.

What Pakistan did at that time after Salalah attack was the exact right response, that's expected. That's it. Simple as that.

Let's create a new thread if you want to discuss further away from Iran-US here
 
So it has nothing to do with Iran and honestly not an advocate of anyone getting harmed or whatsoever but god damn that is one speedy little sucker that is actually embarrassing that they actually showed it from secret service agent who seemed extremely bored people who weren’t paying attention to the entrance omg some people need to get fired 🤦 sorry I know nothing to do with the thread but pretty hilarious
 
Hazard said:
Yes, land border was closed. I didn't dispute that, but is that an acceptable response to a nation that has literally slaughtered your soldiers? Seriously? I'm lost for words.

And no, there was no 'official' apology, just 'regrets' - not that I'd ever accept an apology to begin with.
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Why do you keep saying "slaughtered"? It was a fire fight. Both sides opened fire on each other.
 
Meengla said:
At least in case of the Vietnam War, there was the staged Gulf of Tonkien. And in many other wars--wars on communism and wars on terror--there were attempts to rally the American support and even try to get some support in the UN.
But this war on Iran is launched without hardly making a 'case' for it. No 'manufacturing consent' this time. And that shows how dangerous and arrogant Donald Trump is. He is acting like Netanyahu acts in Gaza, in the West Bank, and in Lebanon, and now also Netanyahu acts like that in Syria.
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No the case was made. Trump finally made billions like he always dreamed of.

The Iran side is also not being rational. They are risking an all out war with a nuclear armed power and seem to have no concerns about their cities being turned into radioactive wastelands with around 20 million dead after the first few nuclear strike if that happens.

Something else is going on. Nothing is making sense.
 
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