Iran Plans to Buy Chinese J-10C Instead of Russian Su-35

[Sarhang]

In 2019, Iran stored 3.4 million tons of oil in Chinese ports that don't care about US and Israeli threats because of the US global port ban and tracking by Zionist organizations. The oil was stored for six years at a cost of $450 million. But Iran has still not paid the high storage costs, causing the Chinese port company that helped Iran to face bankruptcy and liquidation. Some of the Iranian government's behaviors have really seriously hurt the Chinese people's perception of Iran.

Just stop it, it's embarassing.

Buying for many years heavily discounted oil because no one else dares to touch sanctioned oil. As high as 70% discounts. Flooding Iranian market with really garbage products while the higher quality ones you export elsewhere. Your cars break down frequently on Iranian roads and Chinese products are known in Iran as to be very low quality. They just don't know you have good quality as well some products even better than Western ones but they never receive those.

Besides we were talking about real military gear , jets, heavy systems, serious hardware.
You don’t have the balls to actually sell that to Iran. You’ll milk Iran for their oil, dump your crap products, but when it comes to standing up and openly arming them with advanced weapons, you suddenly play shy.


So yeah don't talk about your fake friendship. Youre in it for your own wallet and you will drop the mullahs immediately when it gets too hot for you.


Besides, i do not blame China that much. Russia is the most sneakiest one openly flirting with the zionist state and at the same time receiving serious Iranian military help while almost doing nothing. Raising your hand at the UN and giving symbolic speeches won't do any jackshit.

It's just a one sided sad pathetic affair because we have people in power in Iran who don't know what the hell they are doing.

 

[ety]

Just stop it, it's embarassing.

Buying for many years heavily discounted oil because no one else dares to touch sanctioned oil. As high as 70% discounts. Flooding Iranian market with really garbage products while the higher quality ones you export elsewhere. Your cars break down frequently on Iranian roads and Chinese products are known in Iran as to be very low quality. They just don't know you have good quality as well some products even better than Western ones but they never receive those.

Besides we were talking about real military gear , jets, heavy systems, serious hardware.
You don’t have the balls to actually sell that to Iran. You’ll milk Iran for their oil, dump your crap products, but when it comes to standing up and openly arming them with advanced weapons, you suddenly play shy.


So yeah don't talk about your fake friendship. Youre in it for your own wallet and you will drop the mullahs immediately when it gets too hot for you.


Besides, i do not blame China that much. Russia is the most sneakiest one openly flirting with the zionist state and at the same time receiving serious Iranian military help while almost doing nothing. Raising your hand at the UN and giving symbolic speeches won't do any jackshit.

It's just a one sided sad pathetic affair because we have people in power in Iran who don't know what the hell they are doing.

Are you kidding ? Iran is selling oil to China as high as at 70% discount ? No one can do that, if that's the case, Iranian oil companies would be bankrupted long ago.

If Chinese products are so crappy and over-valued and Chinese are not trustworthy, then I suggest, not sell oil to China, buy products from the West and others and don't do business with China.

"No, China does not receive a 70% discount on Iranian oil. While China is a major buyer of Iranian oil, reports indicate the discount is around 8%, according to NPR and Reuters, not 70%. Some sources mention a $7-8 per barrel discount compared to non-sanctioned oil. This discount is due to Iran's limited number of buyers because of US sanctions. "

"Iranian Light crude oil is being traded at $3.30-$3.50 a barrel below ICE Brent for July deliveries, compared to a discount of around $2.50 for June, three traders said."

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/discounts-deepen-iranian-oil-china-struggling-teapots-slow-buying-2025-06-20/

 

[ShapurII]

Just stop it, it's embarassing.

Buying for many years heavily discounted oil because no one else dares to touch sanctioned oil. As high as 70% discounts. Flooding Iranian market with really garbage products while the higher quality ones you export elsewhere. Your cars break down frequently on Iranian roads and Chinese products are known in Iran as to be very low quality. They just don't know you have good quality as well some products even better than Western ones but they never receive those.

Besides we were talking about real military gear , jets, heavy systems, serious hardware.
You don’t have the balls to actually sell that to Iran. You’ll milk Iran for their oil, dump your crap products, but when it comes to standing up and openly arming them with advanced weapons, you suddenly play shy.


So yeah don't talk about your fake friendship. Youre in it for your own wallet and you will drop the mullahs immediately when it gets too hot for you.


Besides, i do not blame China that much. Russia is the most sneakiest one openly flirting with the zionist state and at the same time receiving serious Iranian military help while almost doing nothing. Raising your hand at the UN and giving symbolic speeches won't do any jackshit.

It's just a one sided sad pathetic affair because we have people in power in Iran who don't know what the hell they are doing.

The discount is almost $3.5 per barrel. About 5%-8%, not 70%.

 

[frontline360news]

Iran needs 4 squadrons of J-10C

 

[MH.Yang]

Just stop it, it's embarassing.

Buying for many years heavily discounted oil because no one else dares to touch sanctioned oil. As high as 70% discounts. Flooding Iranian market with really garbage products while the higher quality ones you export elsewhere. Your cars break down frequently on Iranian roads and Chinese products are known in Iran as to be very low quality. They just don't know you have good quality as well some products even better than Western ones but they never receive those.

Besides we were talking about real military gear , jets, heavy systems, serious hardware.
You don’t have the balls to actually sell that to Iran. You’ll milk Iran for their oil, dump your crap products, but when it comes to standing up and openly arming them with advanced weapons, you suddenly play shy.


So yeah don't talk about your fake friendship. Youre in it for your own wallet and you will drop the mullahs immediately when it gets too hot for you.


Besides, i do not blame China that much. Russia is the most sneakiest one openly flirting with the zionist state and at the same time receiving serious Iranian military help while almost doing nothing. Raising your hand at the UN and giving symbolic speeches won't do any jackshit.

It's just a one sided sad pathetic affair because we have people in power in Iran who don't know what the hell they are doing.

In 2024, China's oil imports from Iran will average $67.7. Considering that the price of Brent crude is about $80 in 2024, Iranian oil does have a discount rate of about 15%(Data from the monthly average unit price of imports published by China Customs).

But considering the risk capital that Chinese companies are taking on, I think the discount is fair and normal. Or do you think Chinese companies are obligated to take these risks, not the Iranian government?

Secondly, it is true that Iran has no alliance with China. Iran's allies are Russia and India. China's purchase of oil from Iran is a commercial endeavor, and Iran offers discounts to make up for the risk capital paid by Chinese companies, and I agree that Iran doesn't need to be thankful for China's purchases. But Chinese companies provided shelter services for the six years when the risk was greatest, and Iran did not just fail to pay for the risk capital, it did not even pay for the storage costs, which is a very serious commercial breach of contract.

There are good and bad Chinese goods, low quality and high quality. It depends on what the importer pays. Don't blame China with this issue, you should ask your importers.

China is not refusing to sell armaments out of fear of the United States. No one on this forum, including yourself, believes that China is afraid of the US. China can provide armaments, but Iran should fulfill its commitment in the 25 year agreement by first completely replacing GPS with Beidou. there is no way that China will agree to allow Chinese armaments to work under the US combat system. Secondly, give the Chabahar port promised to China in the agreement to China and not to India. This is one of the key nodes in China's B&R program.If China does not have significant assets in Iran, how will China be motivated to provide armaments for Iran's security? It's true that China doesn't fear the US, but it's also true that China wouldn't be stupid enough to offend the US without any benefit, even if the target is not only not an ally of China, but also a country that is helping India to sabotage China's B&R program.

 

[RealNapster]

Iran knows very well there air force is dead. But no one is willing to sell the aircraft. Don t you think they contacted Pakistan for JF17 ? ...yes they did but due to US pressure, they refused to sell.
Same applies, when Pak tried to buy Turkish helicopter, US refused 3rd party clearance to Pakistan.

Iran never asked for JF-17. In their opinion, JF-17 was too light of a jet for their need, not capable of covering Iranian geography and needs. Also, if Pakistan was making it, means it is not good for Iran.

Iranian thinking.

 

[Yasser76]

Iran never asked for JF-17. In their opinion, JF-17 was too light of a jet for their need, not capable of covering Iranian geography and needs. Also, if Pakistan was making it, means it is not good for Iran.

Iranian thinking.

Yeah, that strategy did not work out too well for them. Even if JF-17 fell to IDF/USAF at least they could have got some blows in.

 

[Sarhang]

Are you kidding ? Iran is selling oil to China as high as at 70% discount ? No one can do that, if that's the case, Iranian oil companies would be bankrupted long ago.

If Chinese products are so crappy and over-valued and Chinese are not trustworthy, then I suggest, not sell oil to China, buy products from the West and others and don't do business with China.

"No, China does not receive a 70% discount on Iranian oil. While China is a major buyer of Iranian oil, reports indicate the discount is around 8%, according to NPR and Reuters, not 70%. Some sources mention a $7-8 per barrel discount compared to non-sanctioned oil. This discount is due to Iran's limited number of buyers because of US sanctions. "

"Iranian Light crude oil is being traded at $3.30-$3.50 a barrel below ICE Brent for July deliveries, compared to a discount of around $2.50 for June, three traders said."

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/discounts-deepen-iranian-oil-china-struggling-teapots-slow-buying-2025-06-20/

It seems you can not comprehend the overall situation or fully grasp the cause and effect in relation to the political situation in Iran.

When you are storing barrels and barrels of oil and hide them like a thief at night from surveillance you will sell it to anyone at any rate. The reports of 'as high as 70%' discount has been circulated for a long time already on Iranian social media with ties to the people involved in these sales. They are not official statements but not so far from the truth.

Besides, what do you expect? You want the Iranian oil ministry to issue a public statement

''Because we are unfortunate and have sunk to the lowest levels of economic standing we are selling it to our Chinese brothers for steep discount'' ??

Yes you only ship garbage to Iran, because Iran right now is in the worst political position of its entire history (setting aside invasions and other events). You see Iran politically cornered, sanctioned from all sides, desperate for imports and you take full advantage.

Don't talk to me about ''its the market''. It's just predatory behavior. But like i said i do not blame the Chinese or the Russians. Both of these nations have never been a true friend of Iran, maybe the Chinese a little bit if we go back during the Sassanids but their behavior today is shameful. The worst like i said is Russia historically but we have Russophiles in Iran who have also power and they are the cause of all these mess.

 

[PakAl]

16 pages for fake news.

Chinese are too scared to sell such important weaponry. They won't risk American sanctions.

Uncle Sam allows useless stuff like cheap oil and export of household items. But try something with these advanced weapons.... they will be on your doorstep.

Same goes with the Russians. Both of them dropped the mullahs hard.

The Russians are actually worse... since IR prostituted itself so hard their betrayal is unforgiveable

The last confirmed and completed major arms deal from Russia to Iran was in the 1990s to early 2000s, involving jets, tanks, submarines, and air defenses — a broad military package.
Since then, only small-scale or single-system deliveries have happened (like the S-300 in 2016), and no recent large packages have been confirmed as delivered.

They are all scared of Usa EU Israeli backlash, it's plain and simple. Just look at Russian Ukrainian war, despite Nato fully supporting Ukraine and trying to destroy Russia, Russia still does not dare to arm Iran.

 

[Yasser76]

It seems you can not comprehend the overall situation or fully grasp the cause and effect in relation to the political situation in Iran.

When you are storing barrels and barrels of oil and hide them like a thief at night from surveillance you will sell it to anyone at any rate. The reports of 'as high as 70%' discount has been circulated for a long time already on Iranian social media with ties to the people involved in these sales. They are not official statements but not so far from the truth.

Besides, what do you expect? You want the Iranian oil ministry to issue a public statement

''Because we are unfortunate and have sunk to the lowest levels of economic standing we are selling it to our Chinese brothers for steep discount'' ??

Yes you only ship garbage to Iran, because Iran right now is in the worst political position of its entire history (setting aside invasions and other events). You see Iran politically cornered, sanctioned from all sides, desperate for imports and you take full advantage.

Don't talk to me about ''its the market''. It's just predatory behavior. But like i said i do not blame the Chinese or the Russians. Both of these nations have never been a true friend of Iran, maybe the Chinese a little bit if we go back during the Sassanids but their behavior today is shameful. The worst like i said is Russia historically but we have Russophiles in Iran who have also power and they are the cause of all these mess.

Get off your high horse, every state acts in their own interest. Iran is not whiter then white, do not expect others to be

 

[frontline360news]

Iran never asked for JF-17. In their opinion, JF-17 was too light of a jet for their need, not capable of covering Iranian geography and needs. Also, if Pakistan was making it, means it is not good for Iran.

Iranian thinking.

Your statements seem a bit contradictory. On what basis are you claiming that Iran never showed interest in the JF-17? And what exactly do you mean by saying it's “too light” for their requirements?

Every aircraft serves a specific operational purpose based on doctrine and mission profile. So why assume the JF-17 wouldn’t meet Iran’s needs?

Also, why would Iran view the JF-17 as an inferior product when Pakistan its developer and largest operator and has built its frontline fighter strategy around it with growing success?

 

[MH.Yang]

It seems you can not comprehend the overall situation or fully grasp the cause and effect in relation to the political situation in Iran.

When you are storing barrels and barrels of oil and hide them like a thief at night from surveillance you will sell it to anyone at any rate. The reports of 'as high as 70%' discount has been circulated for a long time already on Iranian social media with ties to the people involved in these sales. They are not official statements but not so far from the truth.

Besides, what do you expect? You want the Iranian oil ministry to issue a public statement

''Because we are unfortunate and have sunk to the lowest levels of economic standing we are selling it to our Chinese brothers for steep discount'' ??

Yes you only ship garbage to Iran, because Iran right now is in the worst political position of its entire history (setting aside invasions and other events). You see Iran politically cornered, sanctioned from all sides, desperate for imports and you take full advantage.

Don't talk to me about ''its the market''. It's just predatory behavior. But like i said i do not blame the Chinese or the Russians. Both of these nations have never been a true friend of Iran, maybe the Chinese a little bit if we go back during the Sassanids but their behavior today is shameful. The worst like i said is Russia historically but we have Russophiles in Iran who have also power and they are the cause of all these mess.

I don't know if the Iranian government is faking it, but surely China Customs wouldn't fake it to save face for the Iranian government.

According to the data released by Chinese Customs, the discount rate is about 15%, which is indeed higher than the 8% announced by the Iranian government, but definitely not as outrageous as 70%!

You should reflect on whether the 70% figure comes from the Mossad?

 

[ety]

It seems you can not comprehend the overall situation or fully grasp the cause and effect in relation to the political situation in Iran.

When you are storing barrels and barrels of oil and hide them like a thief at night from surveillance you will sell it to anyone at any rate. The reports of 'as high as 70%' discount has been circulated for a long time already on Iranian social media with ties to the people involved in these sales. They are not official statements but not so far from the truth.

Besides, what do you expect? You want the Iranian oil ministry to issue a public statement

''Because we are unfortunate and have sunk to the lowest levels of economic standing we are selling it to our Chinese brothers for steep discount'' ??

Yes you only ship garbage to Iran, because Iran right now is in the worst political position of its entire history (setting aside invasions and other events). You see Iran politically cornered, sanctioned from all sides, desperate for imports and you take full advantage.

Don't talk to me about ''its the market''. It's just predatory behavior. But like i said i do not blame the Chinese or the Russians. Both of these nations have never been a true friend of Iran, maybe the Chinese a little bit if we go back during the Sassanids but their behavior today is shameful. The worst like i said is Russia historically but we have Russophiles in Iran who have also power and they are the cause of all these mess.

Don't talk gibberish nonsense from your rumors here, provide with hard facts, No one is going to give 70% discount of oil to China or anybody, that's just bankruptcy. Chinese products are pure garbage, why you people are buying them, are you fools ?
Just don't do business with China then. Every country is looking after its interests, China is no different, of course, Chinese business are non-altruistic, so what.

 

[sutton9999]

Buying for many years heavily discounted oil because no one else dares to touch sanctioned oil. As high as 70% discounts. Flooding Iranian market with really garbage products while the higher quality ones you export elsewhere. Your cars break down frequently on Iranian roads and Chinese products are known in Iran as to be very low quality. They just don't know you have good quality as well some products even better than Western ones but they never receive those.

Besides we were talking about real military gear , jets, heavy systems, serious hardware.
You don’t have the balls to actually sell that to Iran. You’ll milk Iran for their oil, dump your crap products, but when it comes to standing up and openly arming them with advanced weapons, you suddenly play shy.


So yeah don't talk about your fake friendship. Youre in it for your own wallet and you will drop the mullahs immediately when it gets too hot for you.


Besides, i do not blame China that much. Russia is the most sneakiest one openly flirting with the zionist state and at the same time receiving serious Iranian military help while almost doing nothing. Raising your hand at the UN and giving symbolic speeches won't do any jackshit.

It's just a one sided sad pathetic affair because we have people in power in Iran who don't know what the hell they are doing.

2024 China oil imports

3rd Malaysia is Iran because it needs to run through some hoops, transfer oil at sea , "teaport refinery", private companies willing to face sanctions etc.

The last column is the unit price.

 

[Sarhang]

In 2024, China's oil imports from Iran will average $67.7. Considering that the price of Brent crude is about $80 in 2024, Iranian oil does have a discount rate of about 15%.

But considering the risk capital that Chinese companies are taking on, I think the discount is fair and normal. Or do you think Chinese companies are obligated to take these risks, not the Iranian government?

Secondly, it is true that Iran has no alliance with China. Iran's allies are Russia and India. China's purchase of oil from Iran is a commercial endeavor, and Iran offers discounts to make up for the risk capital paid by Chinese companies, and I agree that Iran doesn't need to be thankful for China's purchases. But Chinese companies provided shelter services for the six years when the risk was greatest, and Iran did not just fail to pay for the risk capital, it did not even pay for the storage costs, which is a very serious commercial breach of contract.

There are good and bad Chinese goods, low quality and high quality. It depends on what the importer pays. Don't blame China with this issue, you should ask your importers.

China is not refusing to sell armaments out of fear of the United States. No one on this forum, including yourself, believes that China is afraid of the US. China can provide armaments, but Iran should fulfill its commitment in the 25 year agreement by first completely replacing GPS with Beidou. there is no way that China will agree to allow Chinese armaments to work under the US combat system. Secondly, give the Chabahar port promised to China in the agreement to China and not to India. This is one of the key nodes in China's B&R program.If China does not have significant assets in Iran, how will China be motivated to provide armaments for Iran's security? It's true that China doesn't fear the US, but it's also true that China wouldn't be stupid enough to offend the US without any benefit, even if the target is not only not an ally of China, but also a country that is helping India to sabotage China's B&R program.

You are riding the high horse because the incompetent Iranian government allows you to. If we had a strong nationalist government in place, or even a normal one with normal functioning brains they would kick your ass out of the country.

Those are the official figures and they are given by the corrupt Iranian oil officials or the Chinese. Not reliable at all during sanction time.

Risk capital? No one is forcing you, you are however forcing yourselves because nowhere in the world you see such incompetence and betrayal of national interests as much in Iran. So you have a free hand to play and are willing to accept the risk.

India is an ally of Iran? Since when? Iran has 0 allies (Shia miliatias do not count as a nation). You know nothing about anything at all related to Iran. I suggest you to keep quiet on this matter because you are embarassing yourself.

China’s got no problem selling Iran all kinds of non military crap from cheap electronics to plastic junk because there is almost zero real risk. But when it comes to military fighter jets, advanced radars, or serious missile systems? Suddenly they freeze up.

Why? Hilarious.

Iran is not your colony to follow your wishes. Why Iran should completely switch its network to Chinese one? To make it fully dependent on China? Dangerous during critical times.

No its not true that China is not afraid of the US. If it weren't you would have invaded Taiwan a long time ago. US is there to keep you on a tight leash.

You summed up your entire post with this sentence already since you admitted that China is indeed scared of offending the US/Israel.

but it's also true that China wouldn't be stupid enough to offend the US without any benefit