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[mulj]

You guys are emotional and not thinking this thru.

For how long do you not plan on having significant economic relations with EU/America/Canada/South Korea/Japan/Australia/India?

As I have said time and time again, long term it is not sustainable for Iran this path it is on. Iran is the one in trouble right now, not EU, Not Israel, Not US, not India.

There is no rehabilitating this current governments image with the U.S. or EU at this point. It’s only matter of time before people take to the streets again because surviving in that country is hard due to economic strangulation by the west.

What’s the plan here? Turn into North Korea economically and have zero nukes to show for it?

Will not bother will longer writing as events are moving fast and i went initially off topic but indulge me for short answer.
You are right if you are talking about world before russian attack on ukraina hence it is not anymore and now new positions are forged from strenght and power perspective and indeed you have limited options but sufficient if your goal as society is to function normally without consumerism and interests rates economy setup as prime mover of it not ideal but maintain some independence and self respect for people as whole, on the other hand just capitulate extend hand towards given capitulation terms and "integrate" towards the wealthy economies. If you not choosing it work with anyone who is ready to work with you on fair and respectful terms, what else you can do?

 

[Persian Gulf]

without satellite real time observation and guidance we can not use BM for tactical purpose against Zions

qasem basir can be used if we buy commercial satellite imagery a few hours before the strike

 

[Flotilla]

qasem basir can be used if we buy commercial satellite imagery a few hours before the strike

IMO new satellites for "agricultural services" were put urgently in service specifically for that purpose.

 

[Navid09]

Mi-28 is a waste of money. I see no actual utility except for fighting chimp level stupid insurgent pockets here and there. A UCAV is more useful in that role.

I hope SU-35S does not arrive until this war business is settled. I dont want to see the fleet turned to rubble on ground by ALBMs/SOWs. There is no defence to modern attack weaponry.

Don't they have ready mountain bases for the aircraft or is that only for smaller F5 sized aircraft ?

 

[Immortals]

Don't they have ready mountain bases for the aircraft or is that only for smaller F5 sized aircraft ?

Helicopter is not for underground mountain bases. A helicopter cannot move idly on its own. Thus would need something to pull it into the mountain and out of it.

Putin gave the Iranians another 1 or 2 helicopters to try out and train on. He did this in Syria too when he gave IRGC T-90’s to test during the civil war.

People act like 60 helicopters were just delivered.

 

[Navid09]

Helicopter is not for underground mountain bases. A helicopter cannot move idly on its own. Thus would need something to pull it into the mountain and out of it.

Putin gave the Iranians another 1 or 2 helicopters to try out and train on. He did this in Syria too when he gave IRGC T-90’s to test during the civil war.

People act like 60 helicopters were just delivered.

I was referring to the SU-35. He is saying they would be easy targets, better if they get delivered after the war.

And I am asking, don't they have underground mountain air bases to store the SU-35 in

 

[ToddE]

Don't they have ready mountain bases for the aircraft or is that only for smaller F5 sized aircraft ?

Single squadron of upgraded F-4E/D "Dowran" that can fire AShCM/PGMs/SOWs and UCAVs. None for any other manned aircraft.

I see SU-35S fleet being blasted on ground in next war through ALBMs and SOWs etc unless they surprise us with 4 more underground bases that can house 5-6 squadrons. Does not seem to be happening.

Last 2 years have been horrendous for Air defenses globally when Fattah-I, Kheybar-Shikan-I/II, Golden Horizon, Khinzal, P-800 Oniks etc just refused to be shot down or in very low % in case of Khinzal only. Utility of Airforces depend upon their survival on ground.

 

[Navid09]

Single squadron of upgraded F-4E/D "Dowran" that can fire AShCM/PGMs/SOWs and UCAVs. None for any other manned aircraft.

I see SU-35S fleet being blasted on ground in next war through ALBMs and SOWs etc unless they surprise us with 4 more underground bases that can house 5-6 squadrons. Does not seem to be happening.

Last 2 years have been horrendous for Air defenses globally when Fattah-I, Kheybar-Shikan-I/II, Golden Horizon, Khinzal, P-800 Oniks etc just refused to be shot down or in very low % in case of Khinzal only. Utility of Airforces depend upon their survival on ground.

It seems the Oghab-44 base likely will be able to house them.

 

[ToddE]

It seems the Oghab-44 base likely will be able to house them.

It cant house 50-60 huge jets.

 

[Immortals]

Oghab-44 was smart based on the pre-tense that Iran’s air defense and SHORADs could protect the entrances. Then it could be a real usable threat. However, we found out in 12 day war that was false and Iran’s air defense cannot protect anything.

So at this point they just serve as glorified bunkers to prevent total destruction. The rest Iran might as well send to a Pakistani airbase near the border and retrieve after the outcome of the war is clear.

Or else Iran could lose 100+ aircraft’s and sure they mostly old 1970’s relics, but many countries (Iraq, Syria, Venezuela) would rather have 100+ older jets than 0. Same goes for the helicopters.

 

[kastor ville]

Hey you all, can we stop and cheer the fact that we have proof of how bad we pounded Nevatim airbase?
I mean wow! They tried hard to hide it, I remember seeing videos of bulldozers repairing the runway, saying that Iran only managed to hit a runway....lololololol!

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[Flotilla]

Oghab-44 was smart based on the pre-tense that Iran’s air defense and SHORADs could protect the entrances. Then it could be a real usable threat. However, we found out in 12 day war that was false and Iran’s air defense cannot protect anything.

So at this point they just serve as glorified bunkers to prevent total destruction. The rest Iran might as well send to a Pakistani airbase near the border and retrieve after the outcome of the war is clear.

Or else Iran could lose 100+ aircraft’s and sure they mostly old 1970’s relics, but many countries (Iraq, Syria, Venezuela) would rather have 100+ older jets than 0. Same goes for the helicopters.

Even if you're right (seems that IADs was hacked and also destroyed by inside job PGM) If IRIAF use small civil airports around the country as alternative Air bases and also uses decoys and temporal non protected shelters, IRIAF can save a part of the fleet and difficult all air campaign with extended bomb campaign period and give the IADs more chances to shoot down some fighters or at least keep them away.

I think IRi doesn't need to win the war, just to shoot down some aircrafts and hit any warship to shake off this president. Remember Trump cannot go beyond 60 days without Congress authoritization.

 

[Immortals]

Even if you're right (seems that IADs was hacked and also destroyed by inside job PGM)

Think about the second part of that for a second. How could covert teams know the location of every AD point inside Iran? If it’s true, it’s a massive intelligence breach of epic proportions.

If IRIAF use small civil airports around the country as alternative Air bases

The enemy knows every civil airport in Iran. They been mapping Iran for 40 years. Moving to civil airports just means no protection and a few cruise missiles could potentially take care of each site. Dispersion helps make it more of a target bank headache for the West, but if they are doing a multi week bombing run then Iran still risks losing substantial amount of aircraft.

Moving to Pakistan secures them as the West wouldn’t attack Pakistan soil during the war.

Again, it all depends on how much Iran wishes to protect this fleet.

I think IRi doesn't need to win the war, just to shoot down some aircrafts and hit any warship to shake off this president. Remember Trump cannot go beyond 60 days without Congress authoritization.

60 days is a very long time to hide 200+ jets and 200+ helicopters. Especially if the West is running 500+ sorties a day and using 100-200+ aircraft.

Remember the USAF is not Russia or Israel, it can keep a steady cadence much longer than either country.

At the end of the day, only Iranian brass know the true state of their IADS for this war.

 

[FUB]

I’m hoping to see them flying in Iranian camo before I have my first grandchild

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[hasssanali8998]

Moving to Pakistan secures them as the West wouldn’t attack Pakistan soil during the war.

which was done during 12 day war but that were just C-130s and Refueller, Civil Airliners .

i don't see Pakistan taking that risk again specially with fighter jets .