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It is not fair to compare Iran with China or Turkey, none of them are under medieval siege like Iran. Praise that even under such conditions IRI is able to maintain something so demanding like F14.

The “medieval siege” is of your own doing. Iran’s theocracy, like Mao, decided to send the country backwards rather than forward.

It picked America (and its extension Israel) as the villains while the UK, Russia, and Turkey were embraced as friendly nations despite the blood of millions of Iranians on their hands from the famine of 1915-1920. It was a foreign policy drenched in hypocrisy.

If Iran was smart and took a more pragmatic path (one that didn’t build its entire purpose around countering America) then it could have FIRST built up its ECONOMY with trade relations with both the West and the East. Then they would have had the economic and technological foundation to be truly independent in the future much like China did after Mao finally died.

Instead from 1979, Iran made its mission to fight America across the world. They squandered an opportunity with Reagan to maintain relations. Then by early 2000’s when Iran saw the writing on the wall (that 20 years of hostility to America was going to bankrupt the country), they tried to play nice with the Americans by helping out in Afghanistan invasion and sharing intelligence.

Only when Bush labeled them Axis of Evil did Iran know it was too late to reform their image. The Americans no longer wanted anything to do with the Theocracy that Reagan offered an olive branch too.

Now we are stuck in no man’s land. Too little resources to build the weapons of the 22nd century and an economy headed towards collapse. Turkey, Russia, and China are not going to bail out Iran’s decisions.

If you negotiate (with Americans), then why did you spend 45 years fighting?

If you don’t negotiate, how long can you survive before your own USSR/Syria moment?
 
but even if they build aircraft of national design (perhaps generation 4++) they do not have a national engine today and probably many components are purchased in other countries
buy the engine from 3rd countries while trying to build our own ....
we can not make 0 to 100 of an aircraft in one push

and I'm sure buying the engine alone from china and Russia was a lot easier than buying a while fighter jet
 
but even if they build aircraft of national design (perhaps generation 4++) they do not have a national engine today and probably many components are purchased in other countries
Forget buying and building craft. That ship has long sailed.
 
Now we are stuck in no man’s land. Too little resources to build the weapons of the 22nd century and an economy headed towards collapse. Turkey, Russia, and China are not going to bail out Iran’s decisions.

If you negotiate (with Americans), then why did you spend 45 years fighting?

If you don’t negotiate, how long can you survive before your own USSR/Syria moment?

Come on!!!. Sometimes you talk like Donald Trump.

So what´s next, TP 3 or dealing with the US?. You are talking as if Iran have been wrong during the last 40 years, and US and the west block were a kind of examplary goal for any civilized nation. Immortal, sorry for my post but the world is gray.

If west path is closed go for the east way. Raesi seems that he understood and was eliminated.

1º.- Fix your Economy fighting inflation and economic isolation (use BRICS and neighboring trade; you can start with basics like wheat to Afghanistan, gas to Pakistan and pistacchio to India, for example).

2º.- Fix your Air Force. TP3 is not an option right now. IRI has no meaningful Air Force for deterrence the US Navy a third part of the USAF and Israel together. IADS + 4 dozens of Su35 will keep the flies away from the honeypot.

3º.- Destroy Israel with protracted war. Israel is destroying the status quo in the Middle East, positioning military dictators around and splitting in parts their rivals.

But forget dealing with US because nobody wants a wealth and happy Iran. Specially Israel and because of them US also.

But a TP3 right now is counterproductive. That takes you to a total war with a two crazy guys (Biden was not so stupid).
 
Come on!!!. Sometimes you talk like Donald Trump.

So what´s next, TP 3 or dealing with the US?. You are talking as if Iran have been wrong during the last 40 years, and US and the west block were a kind of examplary goal for any civilized nation. Immortal, sorry for my post but the world is gray.

TP3 is irrelevant other than a pissing contest and maintaining the rules of game theory (which is important), but it won’t fix Iran’s problems. HZ played that game for months and then got decapitated. Syria stayed out of it, still got decapitated.

Yes, the world is gray, but you painted the US/Israel as black and everyone else as white or gray. It was hypocrisy at its finest.

The Shah wasn’t even planted by America. He was planted by UK. Mossadegh wasn’t overthrown by CIA, he was overthrown by a rogue MI5 agent who disobeyed orders to stand down.

Yet your entire foundation of your revolution was based on an entity that historically wasn’t even your ‘harshest’ rival. And if we are talking about the world being gray, then you should ask yourself why did we extend olive branches to historical enemies like Turkey, UK, France, Russia, Saudi Arabia, etc. but maintained the U.S. as the “devil”? Not very “grey” if you ask me.

The U.S. was not just the world’s military superpower it was the heartbeat of the world economy and global financial system and you decided before you could even walk let alone run [as a nation] that you wanted to challenge this beast on some BS morality quest. Meanwhile you watch numerous Muslims die in China and are silent as a mouse, but bleed over Palestine when they praise HTS for taking over Syria!

Like I said you lost the plot and now find yourself with few good options. I don’t know what the answer is quite frankly. None of them look particularly attractive.

If west path is closed go for the east way. Raesi seems that he understood and was eliminated.

1º.- Fix your Economy fighting inflation and economic isolation (use BRICS and neighboring trade; you can start with basics like wheat to Afghanistan, gas to Pakistan and pistacchio to India, for example).

First of all the East doesn’t want you. When they did [want you] you were playing both sides or hoping for western reintegration. So the East moved on and decided you could flip back to Western orbit in the next century so why waste capital on a country that could swing sides.

Now you are radioactive. A country that can offer only cheap oil to anyone willing to take the chance. Maybe some cement. Maybe some cars. Nothing game changing.

Also whar part of the world trades in the dollar do you not want to accept? You think India is going to risk sanctions for ****ing pistachios? When Pakistan wouldn’t risk it for critical energy needs?

Come on man, wake up to reality. “Fix the economy” is not some button you press and you become China or U.S. or even Germany.

BRICs is a joke, so many countries joining what is becoming a country club at this point. It hasn’t produced a SINGLE game changing economic initiative in its entire history. At this point, I’m waiting for North Korea to submit a request to join, that’s how laughable it has become. Also India and China being in the same economic bloc is a paradox.

All this hype about a ‘BRICS currency’ is laughable, I won’t even bother to get into, but if you are in the world of economics you can see why it is too difficult to implement if not near impossible.

2º.- Fix your Air Force. TP3 is not an option right now. IRI has no meaningful Air Force for deterrence the US Navy a third part of the USAF and Israel together. IADS + 4 dozens of Su35 will keep the flies away from the honeypot.

SU-35 when 6th gen platforms like what China showed off are less than 10 years away? You could have 100 SU-35’s and you won’t stop next gen weapons platform from making mince meat out for your IADS. Are you still using Windows XP to pilot your command and control centers? I’m sure the NSA is very grateful for that.

How is SU-35 going to fight off a platform that can go in and out space, supercruise at 20KM altitude, and unleash hypersonic cruise missiles at all your high value targets? It’s a stop gap that will be obsolete within a decade against your core enemies (US/Israel).

Where will you get this money from anyway? You cannot even keep your lights on at night. You cannot even modernize your electrical grid or oil industry. Hell you cannot even hit 4.5M bpd of oil like you did under Shah without Western oil tech. You need $500B-$1T investment over the next decade to even modernize your economy and catch up with other economic powers. Where you gonna get that from? This where the deep pockets of the international capital markets would have been useful.

Now you realize the costly price of your decisions. You thought blackmailing black gold (oil) would keep the west off your ass forever, well they modernized without you (shale oil) and the Arabs and Russians screwed you out of your market share (OPEC+).

You were so rah rah Revolutionary Zeal you forgot to study the tech of the future.

What’s Iran’s current AGI platform roadmap?
What’s Iran’s current Quantum processer?

How many qubits? How does Iran plan to solve the error correction problem?

What’s Iran’s current GPU production tense core count, memory bandwidth, and framework architecture?

Let me answer it for you: they don’t exist mate.

They don’t exist because while you blowing up Marine Barracks in Lebanon, bombing Israeli embassy in Argentina, the AIMA bombings, the Khobar Towers, etc while you went through your teenager rebellious phase, the world was moving forward with economic advancement and key technologies needed to succeed in the future.

By the time you moderated and decided to be more pragmatic, it was too late. You were blocked off, radioactive, and persona non grata. Nobody needs Iran. You have nothing to offer. Your oil can be found elsewhere. Your natural gas you consume it all yourself like an energy black hole. You are too poor to develop your massive energy reserves, and your nuclear program is a Schrödinger’s cat of ‘bomb or no bomb’.

3º.- Destroy Israel with protracted war. Israel is destroying the status quo in the Middle East, positioning military dictators around and splitting in parts their rivals.

But forget dealing with US because nobody wants a wealth and happy Iran. Specially Israel and because of them US also.

“Destroy Israel”

You are not destroying Zionists. Not today. Not tomorrow. Not in 100 years. Bigger fish than you have tried and failed (Hitler in WW2, Egyptian empire in antiquity). Israel is here to stay. If it does collapse it will be from within to socio-demographic forces (Israeli is rapidly Arab-izing and even the absurd birth rate of the Zionists cannot keep up with the birth rate of the Levant Arabs that simply out number them).

So making Israel’s destruction your top priority is what got you in this mess to begin with. Meanwhile the only countries that got destroyed during that time were Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen.

Although one point I can agree on is Iran had a window after 10/7 to go for a high stakes geopolitical move. To simultaneously attack Israel with Syrian groups, HZ, Hamas, and IRGC when the world support for Israel was at an all time role, but the goal wouldn’t be to “destroy Israel” but fight a “war for peace”. A war where Iran’s terms would be settled after the shadow war of the past decade and the Palestinians could have a statehood.

Two birds, one stone. It was what iran spent its entire time building up the AoR for. A biblical-esque battle for fate of Levant.

Instead you chickened out. Your revolutionary zeal of the 1980s to 2000’s was no longer around. You were so risk averse at this point, that when America told you to back off Israel you sat and made nothing more than repetitive rhetoric and fake red lines in magic marker.

The results are clear, Israel holds more land today than pre-10/7 in both Lebanon, Syria, and Gaza. Hamas is obliterated. HZ is in the ICU and Syria is an Ottoman and Zionist groupie.

In the end, sometimes to become a true independent powerful state (both economically and militarily), you have to read the room and bide your time. Yet IR of iran came out of the gate throwing punches against powers that had centuries headstart in modern geopolitics.

You ****ed mate. The world economy doesn’t need Iran anymore. Should have been much more Machiavellian in your early days. You would have gained more with honey than vinegar in this ‘gray’ world.
 
Come on!!!. Sometimes you talk like Donald Trump.

So what´s next, TP 3 or dealing with the US?. You are talking as if Iran have been wrong during the last 40 years, and US and the west block were a kind of examplary goal for any civilized nation. Immortal, sorry for my post but the world is gray.

If west path is closed go for the east way. Raesi seems that he understood and was eliminated.

1º.- Fix your Economy fighting inflation and economic isolation (use BRICS and neighboring trade; you can start with basics like wheat to Afghanistan, gas to Pakistan and pistacchio to India, for example).

2º.- Fix your Air Force. TP3 is not an option right now. IRI has no meaningful Air Force for deterrence the US Navy a third part of the USAF and Israel together. IADS + 4 dozens of Su35 will keep the flies away from the honeypot.

3º.- Destroy Israel with protracted war. Israel is destroying the status quo in the Middle East, positioning military dictators around and splitting in parts their rivals.

But forget dealing with US because nobody wants a wealth and happy Iran. Specially Israel and because of them US also.

But a TP3 right now is counterproductive. That takes you to a total war with a two crazy guys (Biden was not so stupid).
What if TP3 is not going to be choice, but a necessity forced upon Iran?

I have a feeling either Israel or US will definitely 100% attack Iran's nuclear facilities in 2025 regardless of whether Iran tries to make peace or not.

So when that happens Iran will be forced to launch TP3 as retaliation against Israel/US attack on Iran's nuclear facilities. Don't think Iran has the choice. The choice now is in Israeli and US hands, and Iran can only plan for the best on how to survive and inflict maximum damage in retaliation as possible. I sincerely believe this. The time for talking is over, the world does feel leading to an "end" of sorts. We won't have a normal 2025 and I can bet on it.
 
TP3 is irrelevant other than a pissing contest and maintaining the rules of game theory (which is important), but it won’t fix Iran’s problems. HZ played that game for months and then got decapitated. Syria stayed out of it, still got decapitated.

Yes, the world is gray, but you painted the US/Israel as black and everyone else as white or gray. It was hypocrisy at its finest.

The Shah wasn’t even planted by America. He was planted by UK. Mossadegh wasn’t overthrown by CIA, he was overthrown by a rogue MI5 agent who disobeyed orders to stand down.

Yet your entire foundation of your revolution was based on an entity that historically wasn’t even your ‘harshest’ rival. And if we are talking about the world being gray, then you should ask yourself why did we extend olive branches to historical enemies like Turkey, UK, France, Russia, Saudi Arabia, etc. but maintained the U.S. as the “devil”? Not very “grey” if you ask me.

The U.S. was not just the world’s military superpower it was the heartbeat of the world economy and global financial system and you decided before you could even walk let alone run [as a nation] that you wanted to challenge this beast on some BS morality quest. Meanwhile you watch numerous Muslims die in China and are silent as a mouse, but bleed over Palestine when they praise HTS for taking over Syria!

Like I said you lost the plot and now find yourself with few good options. I don’t know what the answer is quite frankly. None of them look particularly attractive.



First of all the East doesn’t want you. When they did [want you] you were playing both sides or hoping for western reintegration. So the East moved on and decided you could flip back to Western orbit in the next century so why waste capital on a country that could swing sides.

Now you are radioactive. A country that can offer only cheap oil to anyone willing to take the chance. Maybe some cement. Maybe some cars. Nothing game changing.

Also whar part of the world trades in the dollar do you not want to accept? You think India is going to risk sanctions for ****ing pistachios? When Pakistan wouldn’t risk it for critical energy needs?

Come on man, wake up to reality. “Fix the economy” is not some button you press and you become China or U.S. or even Germany.

BRICs is a joke, so many countries joining what is becoming a country club at this point. It hasn’t produced a SINGLE game changing economic initiative in its entire history. At this point, I’m waiting for North Korea to submit a request to join, that’s how laughable it has become. Also India and China being in the same economic bloc is a paradox.

All this hype about a ‘BRICS currency’ is laughable, I won’t even bother to get into, but if you are in the world of economics you can see why it is too difficult to implement if not near impossible.



SU-35 when 6th gen platforms like what China showed off are less than 10 years away? You could have 100 SU-35’s and you won’t stop next gen weapons platform from making mince meat out for your IADS. Are you still using Windows XP to pilot your command and control centers? I’m sure the NSA is very grateful for that.

How is SU-35 going to fight off a platform that can go in and out space, supercruise at 20KM altitude, and unleash hypersonic cruise missiles at all your high value targets? It’s a stop gap that will be obsolete within a decade against your core enemies (US/Israel).

Where will you get this money from anyway? You cannot even keep your lights on at night. You cannot even modernize your electrical grid or oil industry. Hell you cannot even hit 4.5M bpd of oil like you did under Shah without Western oil tech. You need $500B-$1T investment over the next decade to even modernize your economy and catch up with other economic powers. Where you gonna get that from? This where the deep pockets of the international capital markets would have been useful.

Now you realize the costly price of your decisions. You thought blackmailing black gold (oil) would keep the west off your ass forever, well they modernized without you (shale oil) and the Arabs and Russians screwed you out of your market share (OPEC+).

You were so rah rah Revolutionary Zeal you forgot to study the tech of the future.

What’s Iran’s current AGI platform roadmap?
What’s Iran’s current Quantum processer?

How many qubits? How does Iran plan to solve the error correction problem?

What’s Iran’s current GPU production tense core count, memory bandwidth, and framework architecture?

Let me answer it for you: they don’t exist mate.

They don’t exist because while you blowing up Marine Barracks in Lebanon, bombing Israeli embassy in Argentina, the AIMA bombings, the Khobar Towers, etc while you went through your teenager rebellious phase, the world was moving forward with economic advancement and key technologies needed to succeed in the future.

By the time you moderated and decided to be more pragmatic, it was too late. You were blocked off, radioactive, and persona non grata. Nobody needs Iran. You have nothing to offer. Your oil can be found elsewhere. Your natural gas you consume it all yourself like an energy black hole. You are too poor to develop your massive energy reserves, and your nuclear program is a Schrödinger’s cat of ‘bomb or no bomb’.



“Destroy Israel”

You are not destroying Zionists. Not today. Not tomorrow. Not in 100 years. Bigger fish than you have tried and failed (Hitler in WW2, Egyptian empire in antiquity). Israel is here to stay. If it does collapse it will be from within to socio-demographic forces (Israeli is rapidly Arab-izing and even the absurd birth rate of the Zionists cannot keep up with the birth rate of the Levant Arabs that simply out number them).

So making Israel’s destruction your top priority is what got you in this mess to begin with. Meanwhile the only countries that got destroyed during that time were Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen.

Although one point I can agree on is Iran had a window after 10/7 to go for a high stakes geopolitical move. To simultaneously attack Israel with Syrian groups, HZ, Hamas, and IRGC when the world support for Israel was at an all time role, but the goal wouldn’t be to “destroy Israel” but fight a “war for peace”. A war where Iran’s terms would be settled after the shadow war of the past decade and the Palestinians could have a statehood.

Two birds, one stone. It was what iran spent its entire time building up the AoR for. A biblical-esque battle for fate of Levant.

Instead you chickened out. Your revolutionary zeal of the 1980s to 2000’s was no longer around. You were so risk averse at this point, that when America told you to back off Israel you sat and made nothing more than repetitive rhetoric and fake red lines in magic marker.

The results are clear, Israel holds more land today than pre-10/7 in both Lebanon, Syria, and Gaza. Hamas is obliterated. HZ is in the ICU and Syria is an Ottoman and Zionist groupie.

In the end, sometimes to become a true independent powerful state (both economically and militarily), you have to read the room and bide your time. Yet IR of iran came out of the gate throwing punches against powers that had centuries headstart in modern geopolitics.

You ****ed mate. The world economy doesn’t need Iran anymore. Should have been much more Machiavellian in your early days. You would have gained more with honey than vinegar in this ‘gray’ world.
I don´t know from where starting;

1º.- East need Iran. Iran is in the crosshairs of 2 continents (if not 3). Check the Google maps and see how it is working the Chabahar port Vs. Gwadar port few miles away. Iran have mines with rare earths. Iran is finishing the North south corridor for conecting Russia with Indian Ocean.

2º.- You must work with the thing you have right now. Nobody wants your oil, but everybody wants your fisheries (see China sending their rapace high seas fishing boats), mines and market (more than 80 million of customers), I am not mentioning agricultural products, iron or other commodities. So sorry, but you must work with your empoverished country and ruined economy. After all, with so damaged economy will allow much better reforms and try on mistake initiatives than US protecting policies. Surprissingly because of the oil sanctions Iran has developed a some sort of industrial basis that even have been capable to make some exportations of goods and services.

3º.- Don´t be naive. IRI was killing Marines, US assets and attacking interests of Israel because they supported actively the Irak-Iran war, even funding the chemical attack in Iran soil. And nowadays Iran will never be reintegrated again in the international community no mater you do for it. Israel simply won´t allow it. You can loose 2 or 3 more presidents in the cold mountains of Tabriz, but they won´t accept you back. And you know perfectly why. Because THEY FEAR you. They are afraid of people that can make in the middle of the desert dust a regional solid engine missile base.

And that is why your nemesis is Israel. Because for them you won´t be accept again in the international community.

4º.- Everybody had wars with neighboring countries. The more spaniards killed were by France and UK respectively, so what. They are not our enemies right now. And same trend you can see right now. It is not Turkey the one that are trying to break your frontiers or impose a Regime change. Neither Russia or China. Even UK are not interested in that (at least publicly).
Obviously Iran lost HZ at some point and Syria also. But can you tell me what have loose Israel right now?. Even they don´t understand the implications of this war. They will pay the price like Germany in the coming years. People are no dumb. Even americans doesn´t understand the implications of their unwilling support to this Genocide.

BRICS can be right now a Irish pub full of drunk guys and easy girls, but you know better than me what is the meaning of unleash the tariff wars against China, Pakistan and many other countries. Victory are not conquered just winning the war, but also commiting the less mistakes. We know all IRI commited many, but Israel blow away their own feet and US is in the brink of another tariff war at best. The more mistakes done by the US, the more legitimacy and usefulness you give to BRICS. And Iran must be situated at that starting point. No mater what happens. Like you see the UK embassy in the middle of your city. They are not dumb. They are investing in a future to position themselves.

You need those Su35 because they are the only long range avaiable interceptors to fight F15/16/18 of US/Israel and Rafales or typhoons some PG states have. Forget the 6 US Generation fighters. Those guys screwed with the F35 (a total disaster in avaiability and cinetic performances) and even with something so simple like a Tanker and even their new T7 trainer from Boeing. They have at least 5 years delays in their firsts KC767 and at least 7 in their new T7... guess how many years they will be stuck in the mud with their new loss maker project.

Buy those Su35 and dig deep for building more underearth bases. With the Trump´s tax cuts they won´t have money to attack Iran while maintain the military help to Ukraine and keep pressuring China in Taiwan.
 
What if TP3 is not going to be choice, but a necessity forced upon Iran?

I have a feeling either Israel or US will definitely 100% attack Iran's nuclear facilities in 2025 regardless of whether Iran tries to make peace or not.

So when that happens Iran will be forced to launch TP3 as retaliation against Israel/US attack on Iran's nuclear facilities. Don't think Iran has the choice. The choice now is in Israeli and US hands, and Iran can only plan for the best on how to survive and inflict maximum damage in retaliation as possible. I sincerely believe this. The time for talking is over, the world does feel leading to an "end" of sorts. We won't have a normal 2025 and I can bet on it.
No. I think Israel will attack, not US. That is a big difference. With IADS and some Su35 US probably will avoid to attack Iran directly. The price is so high that Trump probably would avoid it.

A TP3 will probably drag the US Navy and USAF to the Israel answer. That is why I think it is preferably to wait until IRIAF have a dozen at least of Su35 operative. And that would take at least one year.
 
According to Russian State Media, more than 15 SU 35 Fighter Jets have already been delivered to Iran. The total delivery is expected to be completed in March and April, and the total number of planes is expected to be 100.

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According to Russian State Media, more than 15 SU 35 Fighter Jets have already been delivered to Iran. The total delivery is expected to be completed in March and April, and the total number of planes is expected to be 100.

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If true, far more importantly is Russia's capacity to deliver these while dealing with Ukraine.
 
If true, far more importantly is Russia's capacity to deliver these while dealing with Ukraine.
You are right. If the total figure of 100, as speculated by some Twitter accounts, is correct, then the capacity to deliver definitely comes to mind if Russia is still augmenting its domestic fleet for Ukraine theater.
 
According to Russian State Media, more than 15 SU 35 Fighter Jets have already been delivered to Iran. The total delivery is expected to be completed in March and April, and the total number of planes is expected to be 100.

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Take it with a grain of salt, this comes from some shady random Iranian outlet, who claims that Russian TV said this

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Correct, he cautioned in his follow-up tweets, quoting one Persian Language source.

 
Correct, he cautioned in his follow-up tweets, quoting one Persian Language source.

Another X account is also reporting but still without giving any real source.

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100 Su-35 is a massive number of aircrafts

I hope it is real but honestly this doesn't really make sense, why not split 100 fighters in something like 50 Su-35 with 50 Su-30SM/full upgrade of Mig-29 fleet

100 Su-35 seems huge and i doubt Russia is able to deliver 85 Su-35 in just some months

Also we still don't have any picture of IRIAF Su-35 out
 

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