'Israel Has Failed...': Top U.S. Magazine Says Hamas Gained Strength & Support Despite War | Watch

[FuturePAF]

Check dis out folks. They shot Palestinian and then tied him up on the hood of da humvee……and paraded him in Palestinian areas:

http://youtube.com/post/UgkxQo9Y9oCdOkZZNCOIKNYFMY9fWdkRtQ77?si=y3qnkV_mcx6JLU16

In Jenin, the West Bank, where Hamas is not in charge. Disproving their pretexts for this war. Israelis are still trying to achieve Nakba 2.0

 

[Lulldapull]

In Jenin, the West Bank, where Hamas is not in charge. Disproving their pretexts for this war. Israelis are still trying to achieve Nakba 2.0

Deen miskeen here must realize that israheeli don’t love them. They actually hate Pakistanis.

Pretty straightforward bhai. Any other narrative is just fraudulent.

 

[FuturePAF]

It's not hard to see at all that Netanyahu end game is his political survival. He is doing this by pleasing the right/far right in Israel Cabinet. If he stops this war now, the right/far right will chew him up and send him off, he might end up in jail if this is the case. There was time he probably is going to survive this if he comes out ahead with the conflict, again, if I was in charge of this war, I wouldn't do what they had done, you need a lot of surgical operation for high density area. Netanyahu went in basically saying "F All"

What he is doing is basically stirring the plot, make it hard for a peace deal to come thru, and portraying himself as being "forced" to continue this war, the culmination point of this war had achieved probably 6 months ago, any further operation from then on will NOT improve the strategic situation for Israel, the only matter is how many house is going to be destroy and how many people will be killed had this going forward. And very likely he is doing this to basically wait out all the election in the west. We have France Election coming July 7 and British July 4, then the US in Nov 3. More specifically he is basically waiting on his mate Trump to get reelected and send him the support he needs to basically heavy hand the Palestinian.

The problem is this will most not be going to do anything to Israel in the long term, because at the end of the day, it will just got blamed on a single person alone, that's Netanyahu, and what people failed to see is that while the world has been talking a lot about Palestine, not much had actually done, and you probably could guess why, that's because it was a election year, that's why people are talking, but this will subside after the election, which mean by then it would have been back to normal. The only 2 things that was done in this case is the ICC arrest warrant and the ICJ court case, but those aren't likely to come out of anything. ICC warrant is directed at Netanyahu, not a wholesale arrest of the entire Israeli cabinet, which if they are accusing of the state of Israel of wrongdoing, they would have done that instead of just the minister of Defence and the Prime Minister. On the other hand, ICJ case is going to drag on for a long while, it would be years before any judgement being handed out (It would have been 5+ years as they are still deliberating the Myanmar case), and the outlook of the charge is not great, it's generally very hard for any country to have convicted of Genocide. And the track record for a positive outcome is not really that good. For example, ICJ ruled the 1991 Yugoslav-Bosnia war was not a genocide, and that war seen more civilian dead than this war and in a manner that more open and overt than what the IDF is doing....

So what lingering consequences for Israel do you see, coming out of this war? Do you see its reputation taking a consequential hit, such that it will be more likely that a two state solution will be something the world is actually more likely to get the Israelis to do, or does that depend on what happens in the neighboring countries or something else?

It seems this is the beginning of an escalation that is likely to happen after the November elections.

 

[MH.Yang]

At what cost?
This seige is there for at least 70+ years.Still Israel dominates its region.
TBH ,These proxies are not really a proper threat to Israeli Existence.
Imagine a war with Egypt,that can have a potential for the collapse of Israel at minimum human cost on both sides.
Wonder why Israel returned Sinnai to Egypt.

This war will be won or lost not on the basis of territorial gains or losses, but on money.

As long as Israel remains a negative asset for the United States, the countdown to Israel's demise will begin.

 

[Lulldapull]

Big talk and boasting by the Israelis on going into Lebanon and busting up hezb. Let’s see if the Israelis follow thru on their threats. Iran will flood the 100 mile fringes of northern Israel with a quarter million heavily armed and well trained militias. All ready to go deep inside via dozens of tunnels.

 

[j_hungary]

So what lingering consequences for Israel do you see, coming out of this war? Do you see its reputation taking a consequential hit, such that it will be more likely that a two state solution will be something the world is actually more likely to get the Israelis to do, or does that depend on what happens in the neighboring countries or something else?

It seems this is the beginning of an escalation that is likely to happen after the November elections.

I will say whatever the consequence you see the Israeli will face now will be for it after this war.

Again, take note that most government only talks about issue but not doing anything to actually stop it. I mean there aren't any western country even sanctioning Israel as a country (The only sanction applies is to the settler that attack West Bank settlement, which is on the wrong side of Palestine.)

The national prestige will take a hit, but otherwise everything will stay the same, I don't think Two States Solution is going to be possible, as you will need Israel onboard, the only way 2 state solution make any sense without Israel involvement and agreement is for the international community to send Blue Helmet to keep the peace, but chance of this happening is pretty low.

On the other hand, I don't think Lebanon will boil over, both sides don't want to start something against the other side, and most likely the first one that start something will lose, there are going to be artillery/rocket trade between Hezbollah and Israel, I don't think both sides are interested in attacking the other and make it a ground war.

As for what will happen come November. If Biden was re-elected, it mostly going to stay the same, some rhetoric going to the Israeli way if Netanyahu is still in power, US is still going to support Israel. However, if Trump was elected and Netanyahu is still PM, then the war is most likely going to get a lot more bloody and then Trump is going to negotiate a deal to flex his political power when there is literally nothing to make deal with.

 

[j_hungary]

This war will be won or lost not on the basis of territorial gains or losses, but on money.

As long as Israel remains a negative asset for the United States, the countdown to Israel's demise will begin.

You probably have no understanding the big picture. The Israeli lobby in the US are VERY strong. This is not about money; this is about the state of Israeli being the only country that totally depends on US and the west to survive, it is the only place where western influence is going to be asserted infinitely, not Jordan, not Iraq, and not Saudi Arabia.

Even if Israeli become a liability to the US, US will still support it no matter what. And it has been so between 1947-1968

 

[Skukuza]

It’s generally a sudden event, when it unexpectedly happens. Just like what happened to the pretorian republic of South Africa.

The colonialists just packed up and left all of a sudden. And their 16 nuke bombs were carted out da back door very quietly too. 90% of the Dutch left for Canada, Australia UK and the Netherlands.

It all died away with a whimper.

Irans hoping for such an outcome.

Where did you get those figures from ? There was one nuke bomb which was manufactured as a test case. It was destroyed in the 1980s way before the democratic government was voted into power in 1994. There was no Dutch population in South Africa. They are Afrikaners and many of them opted to stay put and help develop the nation. Most of the emigrants to western nations emigrated due to economic and not political reasons and also comprised a large portion of Blacks (Africans , Indians and Colored people).

 

[Lulldapull]

Where did you get those figures from ? There was one nuke bomb which was manufactured as a test case. It was destroyed in the 1980s way before the democratic government was voted into power in 1994. There was no Dutch population in South Africa. They are Afrikaners and many of them opted to stay put and help develop the nation. Most of the emigrants to western nations emigrated due to economic and not political reasons and also comprised a large portion of Blacks (Africans , Indians and Colored people).

Colored people have different stories. Some claim 16 were intended as a final number of gravity bombs. Different versions of the same story. RSA handed over 7 fully operational warheads to the IAEA and the remaining 8 smaller tacticals were repossessed by Israel and also removed from the country along with the components of the Jericho missile system.

South African Nuclear Program - Nuclear Museum

South Africa is the first and only country to have successfully developed and then dismantled nuclear weapons.

ahf.nuclearmuseum.org

 

[PakFactor]

For example, ICJ ruled the 1991 Yugoslav-Bosnia war was not a genocide, and that war seen more civilian dead than this war and in a manner that more open and overt than what the IDF is doing....

This is why I find it amusing when people present ICJ reports in this forum as if justice will somehow be carried out and waiting quietly until its report is completed as if it will resolve the dispute.

Let's not forget that the trial of Slobodan Milošević was dragged out for years, and the dog met his end in jail from a heart attack. Contrast that with WWII, the Axis trials were sped through the system.

See my post:

Gaza-Israel Conflict | 2023-2024

Let us be clear that it is only a small number of Muslim states and they are mainly neighbours of the entity. Worst offenders are Turkey, Azerbaijan(oil), KSA(helped block sanctions on the entity back in November 2023) and Jordan here. Egypt is a bit more nuanced as its hands are somewhat tied...

defencepk.com

 

[UKBengali]

You probably have no understanding the big picture. The Israeli lobby in the US are VERY strong. This is not about money; this is about the state of Israeli being the only country that totally depends on US and the west to survive, it is the only place where western influence is going to be asserted infinitely, not Jordan, not Iraq, and not Saudi Arabia.

Even if Israeli become a liability to the US, US will still support it no matter what. And it has been so between 1947-1968

Not when the US is no longer dominant and China becomes a peer and the strongest actor in Asia.

We are maybe 10-15 years away now from this scenario.

Terrorist entity knows the score and so is trying to get rid of the Palestinians from West Bank and Gaza as if somehow that will make their stay anything but temporary, just like the Crusader States were as well.

 

[Skukuza]

Colored people have different stories. Some claim 16 were intended as a final number of gravity bombs. Different versions of the same story. RSA handed over 7 fully operational warheads to the IAEA and the remaining 8 smaller tacticals were repossessed by Israel and also removed from the country along with the components of the Jericho missile system.

South African Nuclear Program - Nuclear Museum

South Africa is the first and only country to have successfully developed and then dismantled nuclear weapons.

ahf.nuclearmuseum.org

Ok. Let's stick to facts and not rumours. All SAfricans including Colored people agree on facts. There was a truth and reconciliation committee and the facts were laid bare. We have since seen a very transparent form of government since then. Nobody gives us credit for 16 nukes and even the Apartheid government had no reason to stockpile that number. It is accepted fact that one trial nuke bomb was manufactured but subsequently destroyed by the Apartheid government. Hope that helps

 

[Flames In The Desert]

Thats what happens when you commit genocide.
Its even worse luck for the west that it happened when it did as it shows their literal bloodthirsty hypocrisy and monstrous double standards when it comes to palestine vs the ukraine.
Theres no going back from this.

 

[Flames In The Desert]

US war machinery is huge.It is busy in Ukraine but still able to churn out massive ammunition for Israelis.
Even if we take US out of equation, Israel has other allies that can supply it ammunition & Oil i.e India, Azerbaijan,etc.

But none of those would be able to have its back at the un like uncle sam can,india cant veto un security council resolutions [tho I`m sure it wishes it had a seat at the high table with the big boys]
The zios saw what happened to their ally apartheid south africa,hell the pressure got so bad that even the zios had to start to [publicly] distance themselves from it.

 

[PakFactor]

Not when the US is no longer dominant and China becomes a peer and the strongest actor in Asia.

We are maybe 10-15 years away now from this scenario.

Terrorist entity knows the score and so is trying to get rid of the Palestinians from West Bank and Gaza as if somehow that will make their stay anything but temporary, just like the Crusader States were as well.

Remember, the Soviets supported the Arab states just as the US did for Israel. The China factor will not be as vital as it, realistically, doesn't care about Ibrahimic theology and its history, so they don't have a dog in this fight.