J-31 to be inducted soon| Pilot training reportedly in progress

[Dalit]

LOL I am absolutely laughing my ass off at almost everyone who years ago disputed that the J-31 wasn't going to be opted by PAF. Like a few members here, I have been on PDF for some years.

What did I say on the legacy PDF? Let me repeat and rub it in. PAF only has one option. That is the Chinese 5th gen platform. How is it that I could predict this years ago despite opposition? Simply logic. Where are the American options today? Where are all the other options that members used to mention? All in dust.

I deserve accolades and medals. I won't get them, but I am here to remind everyone and get some well deserved satisfaction. Heck, even the pilots are getting trained as we speak. This is delicious.

 

[UKBengali]

LOL I am absolutely laughing my ass off at almost everyone who years ago disputed that the J-31 wasn't going to be opted by PAF. Like a few members here, I have been on PDF for some years.

What did I say on the legacy PDF? Let me repeat and rub it in. PAF only has one option. That is the Chinese 5th gen platform. How is it that I could predict this years ago despite opposition? Simply logic. Where are the American options today? Where are all the other options that members used to mention? All in dust.

I deserve accolades and medals. I won't get them, but I am here to remind everyone and get some well deserved satisfaction.

To be frank, the FC-31 was always speculated to be ready for exports by 2025 as it was originally developed with export purpose in mind.

It’s development is by in large complete and so any country that is not anti-China and has the funds could probably buy it, subject to Chinese assurance on leakage of its technical capabilities to US/Japan etc.

 

[MastanKhan]

What did I say on the legacy PDF? Let me repeat and rub it in. PAF only has one option. That is the Chinese 5th gen platform. How is it that I could predict this years ago despite opposition? Simply logic. Where are the American options today? Where are all the other options that members used to mention? All in dust.

I deserve accolades and medals. I won't get them, but I am here to remind everyone and get some well deserved satisfaction. Heck, even the pilots are getting trained as we speak. This is delicious.

Hi,

That was always the case---.

On the legacy forum in old old posts---it was stated that the J31 was pretty much designed keeping in mind the Paf to be its primary target---.

For reasons better know to them---Paf came up with other options---.

Were the other options a case of deception---like the project AZM---which I always believed that there was no truth behind it.

Technically AZM did not make any sense when the J31 had already flown---so that was always the smoke-screen---.

What would be really interesting to know is when did the Paf start participating in this project---.

 

[TAC]

(From another SM source)
Gyrfalcon will join Pakistan Air Force in 2025 [3rd/4th Quarter].

As per media reports, PAF pilots are being trained in China for Gyrfalcon, which means order has definitely been placed, it's expected that Pakistan Air Force will be procuring around 40 fighters [approx. 2x SQN] in phase-1/batch-1.
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As much as I wish this to be true, I respectfully disagree. The Air Chief stated ‘the foundation has been laid’ he could have but did not say ‘order has been placed’

 

[Dalit]

To be frank, the FC-31 was always speculated to be ready for exports by 2025 as it was originally developed with export purpose in mind.

It’s development is by in large complete and so any country that is not anti-China and has the funds could probably buy it, subject to Chinese assurance on leakage of its technical capabilities to US/Japan etc.

Bro, there were naysayers and doubters for various reasons. We used to have lengthy debates and we knew all along what the outcome would be. We even knew that Azm would come to a halt without Chinese input. It happened. Now I am going to lean back and enjoy the induction of J-31/FC-31/J-35.

 

[Oscar]

If you can, you can dig deeper into the relevant information (there is very little information available in terms of data links).

Fifth-generation fighters place very high demands on data communication systems. NATO's latest data link, Link-22, cannot be fully satisfied, and its core data processing functions are still independently controlled by the United States and are not shared with other NATO countries through Link-22.

At present, all countries in the world equipped with F35 are directly responsible for the data processing function of the US military, and these countries do not have the ability to process data. To put it simply, they are just paying for the US military to station the F35, and they do not have control over the F35.

As for the Link-16 of the last century and the Link-17 of the PAF, it is impossible to support the fifth-generation fighter. At best, it can only achieve simple communication, and it is powerless to deal with the massive data communication and information processing capabilities of the fifth-generation fighter.

If you thought the Link-17 was very advanced, it was probably many years ago.

I made an analogy before that a fifth-generation fighter is like a 5G smartphone. You can certainly use it in a 3G/4G network, but when you use it in a 5G environment, it's going to be another world. It's like you're using the same 5G smartphone in China and Pakistan, it's a completely two-world experience.

Again - Link-17 was built with growth in mind and I can say it for certain it was built to support high BW because the project started in my former office… I had access to the requirements for it.

There is always the possibility that it turns out to be inadequate eventually-

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

 

[UKBengali]

Bro, there were naysayers and doubters for various reasons. We used to have lengthy debates and we knew all along what the outcome would be. We even knew that Azm would come to a halt without Chinese input. It happened. Now I am going to lean back and enjoy the induction of J-31/FC-31/J-35.

Some here really think that China decided to just start a second 5th generation project on a “go slow” basis. Lol

The J-20 is not suitable for Chinese carriers and so not only do they need a carrier fighter, but also one they can sell overseas as well in order to make money but also that important geopolitical influence.

An initial purchase of 40 J-31s would actually make the PAF the most powerful airforce in the region and there is sweet f*all that India can do till 2040 at least. China in one simple move cuts India back down to size as they focus on the US/Japan in East Asia.

 

[Pioneer]

I think we will do our best to deliver the J-31 to Pakistan before the Chinese Revolution occurs.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Not much is known about Link 17 (maybe deliberately), but am confident that both China and Pakistan would focus on a data link solution prior to any 5th gen induction

You need to constantly add more "spice" to this system. From the Turkish KEMENT project the PAF might take some clues. Especially, the digital wireless communication part needs to be indigenous to make it spooking proof. And, it's not possible unless you have your own medium access techniques, protocol stacks, encryption etc. coupled with hardware. Even the high power high frequency devices need to be indigenous too...

 

[Maarkhoor]

My guestimate is that PAF will get the J-31 eventually, but not before maybe 2027-2028 at earliest.

PAF may get hands on a small batch of maybe 10 aircrafts in the beginning. When the Shenyang factory ramps up the production, rest will be delievered. Which is late 2020s - early 2030s.

But tbf most of us here have no clue because PLA is opaque on the development and production line of both the PLAN and PLAF versions.

2026

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

You are an Indian. Stop giving commentary from the sidelines and mind your own business.

Whether PAF inducts the J-31 in any color is none of your business.

Dude how do you know I'm Indian ? I'm Pakistani living in USA since 2017, I can prove you that I'm Pakistani, we sell our house in karachi last month, I can give you my former address of our house in karachi Pakistan, you can search this address on Google earth or on Google map

 

[Mr X]

Dude how do you know I'm Indian ? I'm Pakistani living in USA since 2017, I can prove you that I'm Pakistani, we sell our house in karachi last month, I can give you my former address of our house in karachi Pakistan, you can search this address on Google earth or on Google map

Or just ask Admin and he can confirm that you are a Pakistani

Now get back to topic and please ignore such off topic posts

 

[Deino]

Gentlemen
@Deino @CombatCorner
Suggest you agree to disagree and let time be the judge now

We had J-10Cs appear and PL-15s when timeframes were not sure while the supposed “coming tomorrow” Block-72s, AH-1z and C-130js never showed up.

Time is the ultimate judge of claims

I totally agree with you "the ultimate judge of claims", but my problem is, while the one side only claims, I and a few others explain why it is unlikely, we raise several questions and concerns and all we get in reply are wrong numbers of flying prototypes, offensive replies in the meaning of "as if we would like to belittle Pakistan" and still none of these concerns is even addressed.

It all reminds me to a similar harsh discussion a few years ago where similar guys claimed and even swore "we'll get J-20, J-16 even J-15 + the Liaoning and UK's Eurofighter "soon", they are in fact already in Pakistan secretly operating off a secret base" ... again endless stupid discussions, many concerns and explanations why it cannot be and always the same stupid "brother, I know it and you are only a foreigner!"

In the end if these claims will be true, it would mean: China develops the J-31 for Pakistan on its own cost, will deliver them to Pakistan long before it gets its own first J-35 which has an advance of two years in testing and - according to some here - most likely pays for them too on its own!

And now tell me how likely this is? ... exactly as likely as getting J-20, J-16 even J-15 + the Liaoning and UK's Eurofighter "soon"

The one who's making claims, the sky is green should explain and not the one who disagrees!

 

[silicon0000]

Hi,

Why the J-31---???

I am not going to explain---but would just say---something happened---something came up that made the Pak military re-assess its position and they decided to go for it---.

It was an extremely critical decision.

Is it Turkey or Middle East or Our East?