JF-17 - Updates, News & Discussion

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The center of gravity of the turbofan engine is at the front rather than the afterburner at the rear, and although the ws-15 is 400kg heavier than the ws-13, the thrust is twice as high, that is, 18.2kn. The military thrust is 11kn. As I mentioned before, the KLJ-7B is a digital array radar, using oxidized materials, liquid cooling heat dissipation, the weight will be heavier than the KLJ-7A. So the problems you're talking about, they're not problems.

You don't understand the length is bigger than RD-93/WS-13 so we need to build bigger JF-17 and thrust is huge so we need to make intakes larger, at least a size of J-20, it's takes time and money to build whole new jet not based on JF-17 design, WS19 is enough for JF17 BLK 4 if have a plan to build, you have ridiculous idea to put WS15 on JF17, you're really keyboard warrior here

 

[zen]

You don't understand the length is bigger than RD-93/WS-13 so we need to build bigger JF-17 and thrust is huge so we need to make intakes larger, at least a size of J-20, it's takes time and money to build whole new jet not based on JF-17 design, WS19 is enough for JF17 BLK 4 if have a plan to build, you have ridiculous idea to put WS15 on JF17, you're really keyboard warrior here

The Times are moving forward, the design concept of J-20 is fundamentally different from the design concept of F-22, J-20 considers more supersonic cruise and long range, which is also the development direction of the next six generations of aircraft. In the future air combat, high-energy weapons will be an important direction. If the JF-17 needs to keep up with the pace of future air combat, it will have to introduce high-energy weapons, and high-energy weapons need powerful engines, if it is a twin-engine WS-19, then the energy is enough. But the JF-17 can only be fitted with one engine, and its best choice is the WS-15.

 

[Oscar]

Yes I know that sir but @zen is talking about WS-15 which is bigger, has bigger diameter and have huge weight compared to RD-93 WS-13, it's similar like we put f119 engines into f5 sir

I understand - Im just pointing out the complexity of engine changes regardless. The WS-13 too isn’t swap in swap out either.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

The Times are moving forward, the design concept of J-20 is fundamentally different from the design concept of F-22, J-20 considers more supersonic cruise and long range, which is also the development direction of the next six generations of aircraft. In the future air combat, high-energy weapons will be an important direction. If the JF-17 needs to keep up with the pace of future air combat, it will have to introduce high-energy weapons, and high-energy weapons need powerful engines, if it is a twin-engine WS-19, then the energy is enough. But the JF-17 can only be fitted with one engine, and its best choice is the WS-15.

High energy weapons will come on 6th generation and afterwords tell me how many High energy weapons are on the 5th gen generation jets like J-20, Su-75 and F-22/F35? and no need to put High energy weapons on JF-17 you're know nothing about military aviation

 

[zen]

I understand - Im just pointing out the complexity of engine changes regardless. The WS-13 too isn’t swap in swap out either.

The F-16 was once replaced with the F404 engine, and the Hornet improved the intake, engine, and so on to upgrade to the Super Hornet. The JF-17 block4 will be a super thunderbolt and will also completely open up third world sales.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

The F-16 was once replaced with the F404 engine, and the Hornet improved the intake, engine, and so on to upgrade to the Super Hornet. The JF-17 block4 will be a super thunderbolt and will also completely open up third world sales.

How many block 3 we sell right now, the answer is big NO first you live in present and than look into future and WS15 equipped JF-17 will be extremely expensive to most of third world countries

 

[zen]

High energy weapons will come on 6th generation and afterwords tell me how many High energy weapons are on the 5th gen generation jets like J-20, Su-75 and F-22/F35? and no need to put High energy weapons on JF-17 you're know nothing about military aviation

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[zen]

How many block 3 we sell right now, the answer is big NO first you live in present and than look into future and WS15 equipped JF-17 will be extremely expensive to most of third world countries

The price is controllable, and the most important thing is to meet the needs of future air combat. A cost-effective weapon that can break hegemonism can bring real world peace.
If the JF-17 uses the WS-15, it will have an absolute advantage against the Rafale. The JF-17 block4 with WS-15 will have a significant cost performance advantage over the J-10CE. What's more, J-10CE is technically frozen and will not be improved. Hence the news that the J-35 will be introduced. The future PAF must be a small number of J-35s with a large number of JF-17 BLK4s. The J-10CE is only a transitional product.

 

[guangdongt]

The price is controllable, and the most important thing is to meet the needs of future air combat. A cost-effective weapon that can break hegemonism can bring real world peace.
If the JF-17 uses the WS-15, it will have an absolute advantage against the Rafale. The JF-17 block4 with WS-15 will have a significant cost performance advantage over the J-10CE. What's more, J-10CE is technically frozen and will not be improved. Hence the news that the J-35 will be introduced. The future PAF must be a small number of J-35s with a large number of JF-17 BLK4s. The J-10CE is only a transitional product.

ws15☞jf17？CAC need to redesign the aircraft.I don't think people are really aware of just how much it costs

 

[zen]

ws15☞jf17？CAC need to redesign the aircraft.I don't think people are really aware of just how much it costs

难度不会比研发jf-17 blk3难太多

 

[FuturePAF]

The price is controllable, and the most important thing is to meet the needs of future air combat. A cost-effective weapon that can break hegemonism can bring real world peace.
If the JF-17 uses the WS-15, it will have an absolute advantage against the Rafale. The JF-17 block4 with WS-15 will have a significant cost performance advantage over the J-10CE. What's more, J-10CE is technically frozen and will not be improved. Hence the news that the J-35 will be introduced. The future PAF must be a small number of J-35s with a large number of JF-17 BLK4s. The J-10CE is only a transitional product.

What you’re calling would require a new design, to make the change to a WS-15 engine feasible.

A design similar to the McDonnell Douglas JAST design, but then you’re basically looking at a competition for the F-35, which the J-31 is suppose to be.

Investing into such a design could work if the PLAAF persued, at least in the form of the basis for an unmanned loyal wingman. Then a manned version would have its costs brought down and it could make sense for procurement by the PAF, to replace the JF-17 and J-10 in due time.

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[guangdongt]

难度不会比研发jf-17 blk3难太多

It seems to work in theory。But this requires a lot of money，Is Pakistan willing to completely transform JF17？？

 

[zen]

It seems to work in theory。But this requires a lot of money，Is Pakistan willing to completely transform JF17？？

PAF really wants to develop

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

PAF really wants to develop

In only your dreams we have no $$$ to build it

 

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Translate please it's in Chinese but this forum is in English and my question remains how many 5th generation jets and how many 4+ generation jets have high energy weapons on them?