Egypt is considering the establishment of a factory for the production and assembly F-31/35

This is a dumb Egyptian tactic if this is real official news, in the end they will buy nothing :ROFLMAO:.

- China itself spent 20 years to reach engines whose level is close to Western engines.

No China did not rech that level, they reached 2000 hours of lifespan with ther engines these are old news maybe they have reached 4000 hours.F16 F110-129 have 10000 hours. Flying Chinese fighers will be expensive, i do not now how good are they with spare parts Chinese engines are no good for Egyt.

So stop with this childish comparing west and east fighters.
 
This is a dumb Egyptian tactic if this is real official news, in the end they will buy nothing :ROFLMAO:.

- China itself spent 20 years to reach engines whose level is close to Western engines.

No China did not rech that level, they reached 2000 hours of lifespan with ther engines these are old news maybe they have reached 4000 hours.F16 F110-129 have 10000 hours. Flying Chinese fighers will be expensive, i do not now how good are they with spare parts Chinese engines are no good for Egyt.

So stop with this childish comparing west and east fighters.
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lol

you have no faking cleu what you are talking about, thats when people who have no technically background. China is far from equal engine technology with western world, give them another 20 years. They started with stupid mindset with ther WS-15 engine. they tried to copy and that did cost them much time.

You should write about patatoes and tomates and not weapons.
 
This is what became clear in the Rafale deals, a very high price and limited ammunition that was approved, then OFFSET is miserable, and also more importantly, France’s inability to meet the Egyptian needs for Rafale aircraft, even if it agreed to all of Egypt’s demands. For example,
It is bull shit !
Limited ammunition? They received ITAR free SCALP (it took time to replace the US ITAR component...), MICA and at least a Meteor was seen in an Egyptian Warehouse !
If they only have money to purchase a couple of each it's not a french problem.

Egypt is not a worldwide expert in aero! so difficult to find proper contractors for a wide range of OFFSET. But at the end there is a contract and Dassault has to fullfill it if not there are penalty.

Inability to meet Egyptian needs? What needs no meeted? It's probably why after the first 24 they decided to purchase 30 more ans that another batch is on the agenda....
 


Instead of posting long useless texts full of most speculative content but barely any credibly sources facts and mock any member who asks reasonable questions, you should ask yourself how realistic is this BS posted in the original post? Is this not more a wet-dream than a realistic option and is this report not more a typical sensational click-bait report for the local uninformed masses than reality?

Honestly, no Chinese source mentioned this, that meeting with the fancy J-20 in the background was just a meeting for good will and nothing more and finally, China/AVIC and SAC will never ever allow a production line to be established in Egypt! That's pure nonsense.
 
in addition to the contract for 20 F-35, and wants to join India in accelerating the contracting for 40 additional Rafale
No order inked for F35 so far. It is only a letter of intent, for a bug free F35, ie after 2029 and the F4 std.
 
While Greece, to date, has developed 22 F-16V aircraft, and delivery rates will accelerate. It has received 24 Rafale aircraft, in addition to the contract for 20 F-35, and wants to join India in accelerating the contracting for 40 additional Rafale
No order inked for F35 so far for Greece. There is only a letter of intent, for a first batch of 20 on a max order of 40, and for a bug free F35, ie after 2029 and the F4 std fixed.

40 Rafale joint to India? No such news in France. India and Greek potential orders are not linked. As for now Greece has ordered 24 Rafale new and 2nd hand, and try to purchase 6 more.
 
France itself does not have the technology or funding to develop the M88 engine, which stopped the UAE’s contract for the Rafale in 2009, while China produces engines for fifth-generation fighters, while France will develop a derivative version of the M88 engine as an engine for the sixth-generation fighter by 2035, which shows the decline of major countries in the engine industry,
Where do you find these fake news? in a bin?

1) The UAE "2009" deal failed only on a financial point of view because they wanted a Rafale with 2x9 tons engines, and the actual frame of the Rafale can only accept a 8.3 tons engine (size of the air intakes). So Dassault had to study, test and produce a nearly new frame just for them. It was technically possible but UAE wanted to pay it at the legacy price. Dassault said NO. End of the history.
Note that a 9T M88 was built and tested (to power a last and lighter M2000 jet ?)

To be complete, there was another Pb with UAE about the AESA radar. At those time the RBE2 AESA with european T/R modules was not ready. Thales showed them a prototyp with US modules (of a bad quality : the radar only had the same range than Mirage 2000-9 classical radar...) so UAE wanted a more powerfull radar, from 9,5Kw to 13kW, to have the desired range. It was possible but needed a new cooling system, very costly. In 2013 the RBE2 AESA with european modules exceeded the range the UAE requested, with "only" 9,5Kw.

Strangely 10 years after they purchased the 7.5 tons dual engine model ......

2) NO, the 6th gen SCAF will not be fitted with M88. It's only the demonstrator that will be engined by a derivative of M88 to reduce the lead time (1st fly intended in 2027) as it take more than 10 years to study, engineered and produce a new engine.
Demonstrator = Rafale A with 2 F404. Serial product = Rafale C/B/M with M88. Not the same thing.

3) The 6th gen engine will have a temperature in the turbine inlet > 2100°K, where M88 now stand to 1850°K (2250°K in peak). How is the same temperature of the chinese products ???
 
Israel is a failed project that has already ended. Some do not understand that Israel’s ability has become equal to Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis. The Turks, Iranians, and Ethiopians are being exploited by the West to encircle the Arab and Islamic world. Yes, Nasr deals peacefully with these countries, but for peace to be achieved, you must have the deterrent ability, and they must fight your power just as it struck. Egypt is the base of the Libyan Wattia, to be a lesson for some and a reminder that the blow they receive is a lesson for them, and as long as they stay away from dealing with the language of weapons, we deal with them, but by providing the ability to deter, so that each of them thinks a thousand times about overstepping our interests, and they will be punished. At the same time, peaceful relations provide trade exchange as a carrot in exchange for taking our interests into account and placing them as a priority
Are you a troll ?
With you it is fake news after fake news. Incredible.
 
Why not.
In this case they can say goodbye to US advanced weapons.
I don´t think so.
Aside from the CAATSA sanctions to Russia, US is using differents techniques for pressing other countries to finish transactions with China.

For example and very recently;

He noted that the Central Bank of Iraq's operations are heavily influenced by US directives, which are justified on administrative, financial, and anti-terrorism grounds. However, Al-Kadhimi believes these reasons are politically motivated to exert pressure on the Iraqi government.


And you can extrapolate that with something so sensitive like a fighter than can beat israeli F35 the pressure would be much worse!!
 
Are you a troll ?
With you it is fake news after fake news. Incredible.
You must first learn politeness and respect

This is a Turkish claim that the Libyan Al-Watiya base was attacked by Egypt




Also, a Frenchman denied that France did not attack the base
https://www.facebook.com/share/v/STaKNnHoZfXtYPM3/
The Shah of Iran's unprecedented relations with Israel are on display, and it is known that Türkiye has recognized Israel since 1948.

The alliance of the four between Turkey, Iran, Israel and Ethiopia has always been against the Arab countries, whether building dams to cut off river water from Iraq, Syria and Egypt or the attacks against the Arab countries and the occupation attempts that were made in order to steal the wealth of the Arab countries.

Some are hurt for fear that an Egyptian deal with China will fall through and some countries will lose other deals, but jealousy and grudges must prevent some from speaking with respect and politeness in any way.

Instead of insulting me, you should refute what I say with evidence, instead of trying to misbehave with me.
 
Dont understand the hostility against OP.
With focus on the potential FC-31 sale to Egyptian Airforce, which actually is not a unlikely thing to happen.

Chinese engines are still not on par with the absolute best US engines. No denying that. But they are coming close and reducing the gap fast. OTOH its the total package which is the main allure of FC—31 or whatever the export version is codenamed. China may provide tech transfer and local production if the buyer have sufficient capital.

FC-31 with WS-19 engine and PL-15 missile is a deadly fighter. It will give Israel a major headache if Egypt, Saudi Arabia and UAE fields hundreds of these fifth gen fighter. that too locally produced.
 
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Instead of posting long useless texts full of most speculative content but barely any credibly sources facts and mock any member who asks reasonable questions, you should ask yourself how realistic is this BS posted in the original post? Is this not more a wet-dream than a realistic option and is this report not more a typical sensational click-bait report for the local uninformed masses than reality?

Honestly, no Chinese source mentioned this, that meeting with the fancy J-20 in the background was just a meeting for good will and nothing more and finally, China/AVIC and SAC will never ever allow a production line to be established in Egypt! That's pure nonsense.

Deino, as much as you are “expert” on Chinese aircrafts, which is respectable, it is not unnatural to spculate about a future j-31 with side bays. Why? Because chinese renderings and models sometimes have a habit of becoming real world product.
 
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Some shortcomings in the equipment are accepted in exchange for good overall performance. The Chinese had WS-10 engines in their infancy.
Its performance is low and its lifespan is very short, not exceeding 1,500 flight hours. As for its lifetime, things are different now. Let us assume that the engine has a lifespan of 4,000 flight hours, which is considered good, compared to 6,000 flight hours for American engines.
China moved to the higher WS-15 engines
From which the WS-19 engine is derived, and it is parallel and close to the level of American engines, so it is simply acceptable. Some people ignore an important point.
F-16 & MIRAGE-2000 fighter fleet
The large number was 260 aircraft. Therefore, the replacement process cannot be for Egypt to be under European or American pressure. The process of embargoing weapons on Egypt from the Western side to limit its military capabilities cannot be accepted by Egypt. It is a balance between performance, price, and its ability to carry out tasks. We are not talking about two fighter squadrons or limited numbers. Rather, it is the main aircraft for the Egyptian Air Force in the future, and the presence of a fighter produced locally with a license that meets national demands is important. There is no fifth generation fighter available with technology transfer and the possibility of modernization and development with flexibility, no matter what China allows. China also has its technical capacity developing. On the contrary, the Chinese sixth generation fighter. The Americans say that China has taken earlier steps. From the Americans, that is, China is parallel to the Americans in future fighter integration
Manned-Unmanned Teaming (MUM-T)
And loyal wingman
Network-centric warfare
Integrating it with national platforms in the East is easier and much less expensive than in the West
Finally, the Chinese are able to produce fifth-generation fighters easier than any other competitor. The Koreans, their fifth-generation fighter, will not be ready soon. The Turks are an unreliable platform and a project larger than their capabilities. They are counting on Saudi, Emirati, and Egyptian financing and providing economical production for the project by pre-marketing it before production, based on their previous experience in Drones, and this does not lead to trust. China has a fifth generation fighter that has been operating since 2017, and its number now exceeds 200 aircraft. Therefore, the success of their project is greater than any other country. The Russians themselves have not produced a test model of the SU-75, and therefore they cannot be relied upon.
The Chinese plane is closer to production than any other platform. We previously explained that the United States and Egypt closed the defense market to it as a result of the restrictions that Egypt did not accept. Egypt was waiting for the opportunity to get rid of them, and we now see how many air platforms in many countries prevent European platforms from generation fighters. Fourth, its price is very high, which limits purchasing it in economical or sufficient numbers, as it is difficult to obtain it quickly
We have defense requirements that must be implemented to protect Egyptian national security and Egypt’s presence in a turbulent region with all its borders on fire.
 
Deino, as much as you are “expert” on Chinese aircrafts, which is respectable, it is not unnatural to spculate about a future j-31 with side bays. Why? Because chinese renderings and models sometimes have a habit of becoming real world product.


Not really? They are not developing that bird since years, testing it in several different iterations but all more or less the same size without a side bay and then suddenly a dramatically upscale one pops up with side bays for a 250kg bomb … how likely is this?
 

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